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  1. (IMO stem cells are what Beard describes as the germ cells in trophoblast
    thesis of cancer)
    There was a recent article on stem cells and Beard's thesis in New
    Scientist - you might want to try chasing it up.
    www.newscientist.com
    Basic theory is that cancer is a placenta (The theory still stands up to
    scrutiny today - this doesn't mean it is right!).
    In pregnancy at (56 days *I think*?) the babies pancreas becomes active and
    it starts pumping out proteolytic enzymes trypsin/chymotrypsin. These
    enzymes kill the invasive cells of the placenta and stop it from
    growing/invading the mother.
    Anth

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    http://www.google.com/search?q=cancer+stem-cells

    From what I just read, the currect cancer treatments might be the wrong
    approach, because they don't target cancer stem-cells.

    I was reading about cDNA, gene-chips, & cancer.

    Susan, Su_Texas my opinions

  2. Parasites not sure- could you explain?
    Anth

    "Gymmy Bob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Starts to sound like parasites, doesn't it?

    "Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    (IMO stem cells are what Beard describes as the germ cells in


    trophoblast

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    thesis of cancer)
    There was a recent article on stem cells and Beard's thesis in New
    Scientist - you might want to try chasing it up.
    www.newscientist.com
    Basic theory is that cancer is a placenta (The theory still stands up to
    scrutiny today - this doesn't mean it is right!).
    In pregnancy at (56 days *I think*?) the babies pancreas becomes active


    and

    Quoted message said:

    it starts pumping out proteolytic enzymes trypsin/chymotrypsin. These
    enzymes kill the invasive cells of the placenta and stop it from
    growing/invading the mother.
    Anth

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    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    http://www.google.com/search?q=cancer+stem-cells

    From what I just read, the currect cancer treatments might be the


    wrong

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    approach, because they don't target cancer stem-cells.

    I was reading about cDNA, gene-chips, & cancer.

    Susan, Su_Texas my opinions

  3. (This is what I think)
    Basically what you have here is 'progressive refinement.'
    You have a large population that has the potential to mutate and also have
    offspring.
    When you give the cancers chemo you kill the weakest ones and the cells left
    over (the stronger ones)
    can rebuild the population, thus the population is now stronger than before,
    and the process repeats.

    There's a considerable amount of damage to the DNA (because of the acidic
    environment) so you have a lot of mutation, the cells that fail to survive
    (because the DNA is messed up sufficiently) destruct, but the ones with the
    necessary mutations to survive, grow on to rebuild the next population.
    So what you have is a growing resistance to the agent used to kill them, and
    also growing resistance to the persons immune system.
    Do you think that the DNA damage could selectively switch on elements that
    make the cancer cells invasive, grow their own blood supplies ?
    Anth

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    U-M scientists find "stem cells" in human breast cancer

    Quoted message said:

    Discovery could explain current treatment failures, and lead to more
    effective therapies for many cancers:
    added 02/24/03

    Let's wait and see. Despite the usual journalistic hype, and researchers
    making their findings sound as significant as possible, I am not sure


    that

    Quoted message said:

    this research is telling us anything that we didn't already know, or could
    predict.

    The cells in any cancer, unlike normal tissue cells, tend to vary
    dramatically from each other, in size and shape and even to having


    different

    Quoted message said:

    numbers of chromosomes and numbers of cell nuclei. So even
    morphologically (on microscopic appearances) it is clear that there are
    many different populations of cell in a cancer. It is inevitable that
    such differences will extend to different cell behaviours, such as rate of
    cell division and ability to produce tumours if injected into test


    animals.

    Quoted message said:


    Also one of the authors quoted by su_texas claims that mature cells are
    easier to kill than rapidly multpiplying cells, which is just not true.
    Many forms of chemotherapy can only kill cells when they are dividing, and
    the side effects on bone marrow and gut (diarrhoea etc) occur purely and
    simply because the cells there are rapidly dividing. Radiotherapy is


    also

    Quoted message said:

    more effective on rapidly dividing cells.

    So it is not clear how most of the cells in a cancer being derived from a
    single rapidly dividing source would explain the limitations of


    chemotherapy

    Quoted message said:

    or radiotherapy. It is more likely that there are many different cell
    lines sustaining the growth of cancer and that the *slower* dividing ones
    will be the ones resistant to treatment and cause cancer recurrence if it
    occurs..

    What do you think, Orac?

    Peter Moran

  4. Oh right Hulda - I very much doubt it?
    I've not touched Hulda much mainly because her protocols have not been
    tested properly.
    Anth

    "Gymmy Bob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    One word. "Hulda"

    "Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Parasites not sure- could you explain?
    Anth


    [snips]

  5. It would be interesting to see how the DNA mutations vary across the tumour?
    Maybe Orac has some info on this?
    Anth

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    [snip]

  6. You take a tumour from a 'immune weaked mouse' and place it into a 'non
    immune weaked mouse' it will not grow, because the immune system attacks it
    and destroys it.
    It is said that cancer cells have a thick fibrin coat to prevent the immune
    system from attacking it?
    Then why when you transplant the tumour into a non immune weaked mouse does
    the tmuour get attacked, surely if the antigens are hidden under a fibrin
    coat then the immune system won't be able to recognise it as foreign?
    Anth
    ..

  7. http://www.google.com/search?q=cancer+stem-cells

    From what I just read, the currect cancer treatments might be the wrong
    approach, because they don't target cancer stem-cells.

    I was reading about cDNA, gene-chips, & cancer.

    Susan, Su_Texas my opinions

  8. U-M scientists find "stem cells" in human breast cancer

    Discovery could explain current treatment failures, and lead to more
    effective therapies for many cancers:
    added 02/24/03

    ANN ARBOR, Mich. - Of all the neoplastic cells in human breast cancers,
    only a small minority - perhaps as few as one in 100 - appear to be
    capable of forming new malignant tumors, according to just-published
    research by scientists in the University of Michigan Comprehensive
    Cancer Center.

    The discovery could help researchers zero in on the most dangerous
    cancer cells, to develop new more-effective treatments.

    "These tumor-inducing cells have many of the properties of stem cells,"
    says Michael Clarke, M.D., a U-M professor of internal medicine, who
    directed the study. "They make copies of themselves - a process called
    self-renewal - and produce all the other kinds of cells in the original
    tumor."

    Although similar cells have been identified in human leukemia, these are
    the first to be found in solid tumors, Clarke adds.

    The cells were isolated from primary or metastatic breast cancers,
    removed from nine women treated for cancer at the U-M's Cancer Center.

    The discovery - reported this week in the online early edition of the
    Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences - also may explain why
    current treatments for metastatic breast cancer often fail, says Max S.
    Wicha, M.D., an oncologist and director of the U-M Comprehensive Cancer
    Center.

    "The goal of all our existing therapies has been to kill as many cells
    within the tumor as possible," Wicha says. "This study suggests that the
    current model may not be getting us anywhere, because we have been
    targeting the wrong cells with the wrong treatments. Instead, we need to
    develop drugs targeted at the tumor's stem cells. If we are to have any
    real cures in advanced breast cancer, it will be absolutely necessary to
    eliminate these cells.

    "What this means for women with cancer is that, for the first time, we
    can define what we believe are the important cells - the cells which
    determine whether the cancer will come back or be cured," Wicha adds.
    "Before this, we didn't even know there were such cells."

    All cancer cells have a unique pattern of proteins, similar to a
    fingerprint, on their surface membranes, explains Muhammad Al-Hajj,
    Ph.D., a U-M post-doctoral fellow and first author of the PNAS paper. "
    We used specific antibodies and flow cytometry technology, to segregate
    the phenotypically heterogenous cancer cells within a tumor, into
    isolated populations based on their surface protein markers," Al-Hajj
    says.

    These isolated cell populations were then individually injected into
    immune-deficient mice, and the mice were examined for tumor growth every
    week for up to six months.

    Al-Hajj found [that] a small group of cells, with a phenotype common to
    all but one of the human tumors in the study, could form new cancers in
    mice. These cells all expressed a protein marker called CD44, in
    addition to having either very low levels or no levels of a marker
    called CD24.

    "As few as 100 to 200 of these tumor-inducing cells, isolated from eight
    of nine tumors in the study, easily formed tumors in mice, while tens of
    thousands of the other cancer cells from the original tumor failed to do
    so," Clarke says.

    The fact that tumor-inducing stem cells from eight of nine women, showed
    a common surface marker pattern is significant, Wicha explains. "Even
    though it's only nine patients, it shows that the markers identifying
    these stem cells, were expressed in the majority of breast cancer
    patients in the study. This may not be the only expression pattern on
    every patient's stem cells, but it demonstrates the validity of the
    cancer stem cell model."

    To test the stem cell's ability to regenerate the original tumor, U-M
    scientists repeated the experiment up to four times.

    First, 200 cells with the unique two-marker surface pattern, were
    isolated from the original human tumor. When these cells produced a
    breast tumor in a mouse, Al-Hajj removed the mouse tumor, and used flow
    cytometry to isolate 200 stem cells from it. These cells were then
    injected into another mouse to produce another tumor. Once again, the
    tumor was harvested, stem cells were separated, and injected into
    another mouse. Each procedure is called a passage.

    "Tumor cells with this particular surface marker pattern, produced a new
    tumor in the next generation of mouse every time," Clarke explains.
    "When we examined the tumors after each passage, we found their cell
    diversity to be the same as the original tumor."

    Given that tumor-inducing cells now have been identified in breast and
    blood cancers, Wicha and Clarke believe it is likely that similar cells
    drive the development of other types of cancer, as well.

    The U-M Comprehensive Cancer Center is establishing a new research
    program, to identify stem cells in other cancers and develop new
    therapies to destroy them.

    "What we are working on now, is finding out what makes these tumor stem
    cells different from the other cells in a tumor," Wicha says. "Now that
    we can actually identify them, we can start developing treatments to
    specifically target and hopefully eliminate them."

    "This is not a cure for cancer," Clarke emphasizes. "But it is a very
    promising lead, which will focus our efforts to try to find a cure for
    cancer."

    In addition to Al-Hajj, Wicha and Clarke, Sean J. Morrison, Ph.D., a
    Howard Hughes Medical Institute assistant investigator and U-M assistant
    professor of internal medicine, is a collaborator in the research study.
    The U-M study was funded by the National Cancer Institute.

    The U-M has applied for a patent on the identity and function of tumor
    stem cells.

    Special notes on this release:

    Though promising, this research is still in the animal testing stage.

    Additional research will be needed, before this research progresses to
    the point, where it could benefit breast cancer patients.

    [http://www.cancer.med.umich.edu/news/stemcell.htm]

    ----------------

    Susan, Su_Texas my opinions

  9. [http://www.genomenewsnetwork.org/articles/03_03/stem_c.shtml]

    The Real Problem in Breast Tumors: Cancer Stem Cells  By Nancy
    Touchette, March 7, 2003

    The quest for a cancer cure seems like the ending to a Kafka novel: so
    close, yet so far away. Decades of research and billions of dollars in
    funding have revealed much about the molecular events that lead to
    cancer. But overall, today's cancer cure rates are not much better than
    they were 30 years ago.

    Part of the problem, a new study suggests, is that current cancer
    therapies may be targeting the wrong cells. The real issue may be a
    small population of cells in tumors that resemble adult stem cells (the
    self-replicating cells that give rise to specialized cells in tissues).

    Michael F. Clarke and Max S. Wicha, and their colleagues at the
    University of Michigan in Ann Arbor, have identified a small population
    of cells in breast tumors, that can seed the growth of new cancers.
    These cancer-causing cells, which make up a tiny fraction of cells
    within tumors, have properties similar to those of stem cells.

    "This study creates a whole new conceptual paradigm, of how tumors
    form," says Robert A. Weinberg of the Whitehead Institute for Biomedical
    Research, an early pioneer in the study of cancer-causing genes. "It
    changes our thinking."

    Researchers have traditionally thought of cancer, as a collection of
    cells all growing exponentially. "This paper demonstrates convincingly,
    that the model is wrong," says Weinberg. "Only a few cells are endowed
    with the ability to replicate. It has profound implications, for how we
    think tumors evolve and how we treat tumors."

    Conventional cancer therapies do an effective job killing the majority
    of cells within the tumor, but they may miss cancer stem cells,
    according to the new research published in Proceedings of the National
    Academy of Sciences. As a result, cancers often recur.

    This is the first time that cells with stem-cell-like properties, have
    been found in solid tumors. However, researchers had previously found
    similar cells in leukemia.

    "This is a landmark study," says Irving L. Weissman of Stanford
    University in California, who discovered leukemia stem cells. "It is
    significant because all of the useful cancer drugs that we have, are
    those that shrink the main body of the tumor. This study reveals that
    this may not be enough."

    Both non-tumorigenic and tumorigenic cells exist within breast tumors.

    "Shrinking the tumor is fine, but if it doesn't get rid of the cancer
    stem cells, the cancer will grow back," according to Weissman.

    Stem cells are immature cells that can replicate or renew themselves,
    and are able to differentiate or mature into all the cells, that an
    organism or particular organ system need.

    Three years ago, Weissman discovered that mutations and rearrangements
    of the genomes of stem cells, that give rise to all the cells of the
    blood, can lead to some forms of leukemia.
    Weissman proposed that these changes could underlie the development of
    cancers in many tissues.

    "Ideas are cheap," says Weinberg. "Without evidence, we could only treat
    Weissman's idea as speculation. Now it seems that he was right on the
    mark."

    In the present study, the Michigan researchers examined cells from nine
    human breast tumors and tumor metastases. They looked for
    "markers"—proteins attached to the outside of only some cells—to
    distinguish cells.

    Using three different markers, the researchers grouped the tumor cells
    into two different classes.

    The difference between the two cell types became evident, when they
    transplanted them into mice. When as few as 200 of one cell type were
    injected into mice, tumors developed. But when they implanted as many as
    10,000 cells of the second type, no tumors developed.

    "This is the classic definition of a stem cell," says Weissman. "Take a
    small subset of cells and put it in the organism, and see if it
    regenerates the original tissue. This is just what happens when they
    implant the tumor stem cells. All the cells of the original tumor are
    generated."

    The key to developing new cancer therapies, may be to focus on these
    cancer stem cells. But this is likely to be difficult.

    "Stem cells are more difficult to kill," says Wicha. "Because they are
    so important throughout a person's lifetime, they have developed
    mechanisms that protect themselves."

    For example, tumor stem cells are able to resist toxic substances, such
    as cancer drugs. More mature cells are easier to kill than stem cells,
    because these mechanisms are not always active.

    Normal Stem Cells vs. Cancer Stem Cells

    The stem cells in tumors discovered by researchers at the University of
    Michigan, are not the same type of stem cells being explored as
    potential therapies, to treat degenerative diseases. Both normal
    embryonic and adult stem cells are being actively studied for their
    ability, to proliferate and replace damaged cells in diseases such as
    diabetes, Parkinson's disease, and heart disease.

    But stem cells in tumors develop, because of mutations that accumulate
    over years and often decades. The mutations are thought to promote the
    tumor stem cells' ability to proliferate, eventually leading to cancer.

    The next step is to figure out what makes the cancer stem cells
    different from the other cells in the tumor. The researchers are
    currently using DNA microarrays (or "gene chips"😉 to identify genes that
    are active in the cancer-causing cells, compared to benign tumor cells.

    Some of these genes might control the cell's ability to replicate and
    metastasize.
    Identifying these genes may suggest new drug targets, that could
    selectively kill the cancer cells.

    "The only cells within an organism, that live long enough to accumulate
    the mutations that lead to cancer, are the stem cells," says Wicha.
    "When the cancer cell differentiates, it produces other cells that have
    lost the ability to self-renew."

    If the researchers can find normal adult breast stem cells, they may
    understand how breast cancers develop. "A key question is what is the
    difference between a normal stem cell and a tumor stem cell," says
    Wicha. "A normal breast stem cell can make copies of itself, but then
    shuts itself off. Cancer stem cells make too many copies of themselves."

    Wicha thinks that a primary event in cancer development, occurs when the
    normal stem cell loses the ability to regulate its own growth. But many
    other mutations must occur, to turn a normal stem cell into cancer stem
    cell.

    Weissman suspects that most cancers develop from mutations in the
    genomes of stem cells, in various tissues throughout the body.

    "I suspect that a lot of researchers studying different types of
    cancers, are going to be looking for stem cells in their tumors now,"
    says Weissman.

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    Susan, Su_Texas my opinions

  10. Ongoing Treatment?

    IF cancer stem-cells are the problem, & they can't easily be killed off,
    then you'd probably need an ongoing treatment designed to kill off the
    cancer cells as they develop, ... that is, after you've finished all
    that's currently offered to the general public, in traditional cancer
    care.

    ???

    Are there ongoing treatments like that, in regular or
    alternative-medicine?

    Susan, Su_Texas my opinions

  11. Starts to sound like parasites, doesn't it?

    "Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    (IMO stem cells are what Beard describes as the germ cells in trophoblast
    thesis of cancer)
    There was a recent article on stem cells and Beard's thesis in New
    Scientist - you might want to try chasing it up.
    www.newscientist.com
    Basic theory is that cancer is a placenta (The theory still stands up to
    scrutiny today - this doesn't mean it is right!).
    In pregnancy at (56 days *I think*?) the babies pancreas becomes active


    and

    Quoted message said:

    it starts pumping out proteolytic enzymes trypsin/chymotrypsin. These
    enzymes kill the invasive cells of the placenta and stop it from
    growing/invading the mother.
    Anth

    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    http://www.google.com/search?q=cancer+stem-cells

    From what I just read, the currect cancer treatments might be the wrong
    approach, because they don't target cancer stem-cells.

    I was reading about cDNA, gene-chips, & cancer.

    Susan, Su_Texas my opinions

  12. <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    U-M scientists find "stem cells" in human breast cancer

    Quoted message said:

    Discovery could explain current treatment failures, and lead to more
    effective therapies for many cancers:
    added 02/24/03

    Let's wait and see. Despite the usual journalistic hype, and researchers
    making their findings sound as significant as possible, I am not sure that
    this research is telling us anything that we didn't already know, or could
    predict.

    The cells in any cancer, unlike normal tissue cells, tend to vary
    dramatically from each other, in size and shape and even to having different
    numbers of chromosomes and numbers of cell nuclei. So even
    morphologically (on microscopic appearances) it is clear that there are
    many different populations of cell in a cancer. It is inevitable that
    such differences will extend to different cell behaviours, such as rate of
    cell division and ability to produce tumours if injected into test animals.

    Also one of the authors quoted by su_texas claims that mature cells are
    easier to kill than rapidly multpiplying cells, which is just not true.
    Many forms of chemotherapy can only kill cells when they are dividing, and
    the side effects on bone marrow and gut (diarrhoea etc) occur purely and
    simply because the cells there are rapidly dividing. Radiotherapy is also
    more effective on rapidly dividing cells.

    So it is not clear how most of the cells in a cancer being derived from a
    single rapidly dividing source would explain the limitations of chemotherapy
    or radiotherapy. It is more likely that there are many different cell
    lines sustaining the growth of cancer and that the *slower* dividing ones
    will be the ones resistant to treatment and cause cancer recurrence if it
    occurs..

    What do you think, Orac?

    Peter Moran

  13. One word. "Hulda"

    "Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Parasites not sure- could you explain?
    Anth

    "Gymmy Bob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Starts to sound like parasites, doesn't it?

    "Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    (IMO stem cells are what Beard describes as the germ cells in


    trophoblast

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    thesis of cancer)
    There was a recent article on stem cells and Beard's thesis in New
    Scientist - you might want to try chasing it up.
    www.newscientist.com
    Basic theory is that cancer is a placenta (The theory still stands up


    to

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    scrutiny today - this doesn't mean it is right!).
    In pregnancy at (56 days *I think*?) the babies pancreas becomes


    active

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    and

    Quoted message said:

    it starts pumping out proteolytic enzymes trypsin/chymotrypsin. These
    enzymes kill the invasive cells of the placenta and stop it from
    growing/invading the mother.
    Anth

    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    > http://www.google.com/search?q=cancer+stem-cells
    >
    > From what I just read, the currect cancer treatments might be the


    wrong

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > approach, because they don't target cancer stem-cells.
    >
    > I was reading about cDNA, gene-chips, & cancer.
    >
    > Susan, Su_Texas my opinions

  14. From: [email hidden] (Gymmy Bob)

    One word. "Hulda"

    ===============

    Thanks, but NO THANKS. I'm NOT a Hulda Clarke fan.

    Susan, Su_Texas my opinions

  15. From: [email hidden] (Anth)

    (IMO stem cells are what Beard describes as the germ cells in
    trophoblast thesis of cancer)
    There was a recent article on stem cells and Beard's thesis in New
    Scientist - you might want to try chasing it up. www.newscientist.com
    Basic theory is that cancer is a placenta (The theory still stands up to
    scrutiny today - this doesn't mean it is right!). In pregnancy at (56
    days *I think*?) the babies pancreas becomes active and it starts
    pumping out proteolytic enzymes trypsin/chymotrypsin. These enzymes kill
    the invasive cells of the placenta and stop it from growing/invading the
    mother.

    Anth

    ===================

    So far, can't find Beard, but did find this:

    5T4 & Cancer Vaccine

    [http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99994309]

    Stem cell mobility linked to cancer's spread,
    10:23 24 October 03 NewScientist.com news service

    A molecule present in many spreading cancers, has been identified as key
    to helping stem cells to become mobile, reveal UK scientists.

    A cancer vaccine based on the molecule, has already been successfully
    trialled in humans, and a "magic bullet" treatment is also in
    development.

    As cancers grow, cells often move out of the original tumour and spread
    around the body using the blood or lymphatic system, a process called
    metastasis. These widespread cancers are especially difficult to treat.

    Now scientists have discovered, that a surface molecule called 5T4
    (which is present in many different types of tumour), is also produced
    by embryonic stem cells (ESCs) as the embryo grows and develops.

    Peter Stern and colleagues, at Cancer Research UK's Paterson Institute
    in Manchester, found the 5T4 produced by mouse ESCs, made the cells
    spread across culture plates. "We think we've found a common factor in
    the movement of embryonic cells during development, and of cancer cells
    during the spread of disease," he says.

    Robert Souhami, director of clinical research at Cancer Research UK,
    says: "By studying fundamental developmental biology, the new study has
    highlighted a potentially exciting strategy to prevent cancer from
    spreading - one of the great challenges faced by scientists."

    Avoid rejection

    The researchers originally came across 5T4, when they compared the
    surface molecules of special ESCs called trophoblasts, with those found
    on cancer cells in humans.

    Trophoblasts form the interface between the placenta and a fetus. The
    team focused on them, because this special layer has to avoid rejection
    by the mother's immune system - cancer cells also manage to evade the
    body's immune system.

    They found 5T4 was common to both. The molecule was overexpressed in
    cancer cells, whereas non-cancerous adult cells did not express the
    molecule at all.

    The new study of mouse ESCs demonstrated, that 5T4 is the key to making
    developing stem cells mobile. In normal development, 5T4 is involved in
    helping cells move around in a regulated way, Stern explains. "In cancer
    it's not regulated - it's out of control."

    Immune response

    The team has already harnessed 5T4 in human clinical trials. Because it
    is expressed in the embryo only, 5T4 should be treated as a foreign
    invader by the adult body.

    The team, in collaboration with Oxford BioMedica, has developed a
    therapeutic vaccine, based on eliciting an immune response against
    cancer cells expressing 5T4.

    "The cancer vaccine has been shown to be immunogenic and safe," Stern
    told New Scientist.

    The team is also collaborating with Active Biotech, to develop a "magic
    bullet" based on 5T4. They are using an antibody that latches on to the
    molecule, to seek out tumours and deliver a drug to kill them.

    The discovery of 5T4 could even give practical help to scientists trying
    to isolate pure, unspecialised ESCs, Stern adds.

    Stem cells differentiate easily, and 5T4 could be used as a marker to
    weed out cells, which have started to develop from their primitive
    state.

    Journal reference: Journal of Cell Science (vol 116, p 4533)

    ----------------

    Susan, Su_Texas my opinions

  16. Galectin-3, & the Modified Protein Treatment (Non-Stick Approach)

    [http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=99993801]

    Deadly spread of cancer halted,
    12:21 05 June 03 NewScientist.com news service

    The spread of cancers through the body could be halted, by targeting a
    protein that helps cells latch on to each other, reveals a new study.

    The spreading of cancer from an initial tumour to other parts of the
    body - called metastasis - frequently means there is little hope a
    person can be saved. But scientists have now modified a naturally
    occurring human protein to disrupt this deadly process, in mouse models
    of human breast cancer.

    "We were able to significantly reduce the spread of the disease and
    decrease tumour growth, without any evidence of toxicity," says Gary
    Jarvis, a microbiologist at the University of California in San
    Francisco. "If we can stop metastasis in humans, we will have gone a
    long way towards successfully treating cancer."

    "It's when tumours spread to essential organs, such as the liver or
    lung, that they become fatal," says colleague Constance John, a research
    chemist. "There is nothing to date that has been approved by the Food
    and Drug Administration, for treatment of cancer that works on that
    process."

    Stick together

    The team modified a protein, that seems play an important role in
    helping cells stick to each other. This ability aids metastasis, by
    allowing cancerous cells that enter the bloodstream, to lodge themselves
    in other parts of the body.

    The team, lead by Jarvis in the US and Hakon Leffler at the University
    of Lund in Sweden, singled out a human protein named galectin-3. This is
    from a family of proteins called lectins, that bind to sugar molecules
    on the surfaces of cells.

    Galectin-3 is known to play a role in cancer formation, particularly in
    promoting cell-to-cell adhesion. "The idea was to break that contact and
    inhibit secondary cancer formation," says Jarvis. So the team removed
    the key part of galectin-3 that normally allows cells to stick to each
    other. The modified protein also occupies the site on a cell's surface,
    blocking normal galectin-3 from binding. This stops cells from adhering
    to each other.

    The modified protein more than halved the number of mice, that developed
    metastatic tumours. Cancer implanted into the mice spread to the lymph
    nodes or other organs, in 11 of the 20 control mice given sham
    injections, but only four of the 20 mice given the truncated protein.

    Slow growth

    The growth of the implanted tumours was also significantly less, in mice
    treated with the modified protein, compared to the control mice.

    "It's not only affecting metastasis," Leffler told New Scientist. "It's
    reducing the primary tumour a lot." Importantly, he adds, the novel
    treatment did not cause any adverse reactions.

    A drug therapy targeting galectin-3, might one day be effectively used
    in combination with currently available cancer medications like
    chemotherapy and radiation, say the researchers. Although, the results
    are "optimistic", Leffler cautions that "an animal model is not human".

    "We're not trying to develop a cure for cancer," says John. "What we're
    trying to do is make cancer a disease that one can live with."

    Journal reference: Clinical Cancer Research (June issue)

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    Susan, Su_Texas my opinions

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    You take a tumour from a 'immune weaked mouse' and place it into a 'non
    immune weaked mouse' it will not grow, because the immune system attacks


    it

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    and destroys it.
    It is said that cancer cells have a thick fibrin coat to prevent the


    immune

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    system from attacking it?

    That's not true, but there are blocking antibodies coating cancer cells that
    protect them from immune attack. The immunology of cancer is extremely
    complex. A speaker I heard recently said that there are at least a dozen
    mechanisms by which cancers evade immune attack

    When you think about it, the wonder is that some cancers are susceptible to
    immune attack at all, since they are essentially our own cells, and it is
    just that sometimes the gene defects lead them to produce unusual proteins.

    Peter Moran

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    (This is what I think)
    Basically what you have here is 'progressive refinement.'
    You have a large population that has the potential to mutate and also have
    offspring.
    When you give the cancers chemo you kill the weakest ones and the cells


    left

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    over (the stronger ones)
    can rebuild the population, thus the population is now stronger than


    before,

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    and the process repeats.

    There's a considerable amount of damage to the DNA (because of the acidic
    environment) so you have a lot of mutation, the cells that fail to survive
    (because the DNA is messed up sufficiently) destruct, but the ones with


    the

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    necessary mutations to survive, grow on to rebuild the next population.
    So what you have is a growing resistance to the agent used to kill them,


    and

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    also growing resistance to the persons immune system.
    Do you think that the DNA damage could selectively switch on elements that
    make the cancer cells invasive, grow their own blood supplies ?
    Anth

    I don't think chemotherapy makes a cancer more cancerous, but resistance to
    chemotherapy must depend on some cancer cells being less susceptible to
    immune attack. The same must apply when immunotherapy produces a
    remission, but then fails.

    Peter Moran

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    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    U-M scientists find "stem cells" in human breast cancer

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    Discovery could explain current treatment failures, and lead to more
    effective therapies for many cancers:
    added 02/24/03

    Let's wait and see. Despite the usual journalistic hype, and


    researchers

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    making their findings sound as significant as possible, I am not sure


    that

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    this research is telling us anything that we didn't already know, or


    could

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    predict.

    The cells in any cancer, unlike normal tissue cells, tend to vary
    dramatically from each other, in size and shape and even to having


    different

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    numbers of chromosomes and numbers of cell nuclei. So even
    morphologically (on microscopic appearances) it is clear that there are
    many different populations of cell in a cancer. It is inevitable that
    such differences will extend to different cell behaviours, such as rate


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    cell division and ability to produce tumours if injected into test


    animals.

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    Also one of the authors quoted by su_texas claims that mature cells are
    easier to kill than rapidly multpiplying cells, which is just not true.
    Many forms of chemotherapy can only kill cells when they are dividing,


    and

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    the side effects on bone marrow and gut (diarrhoea etc) occur purely and
    simply because the cells there are rapidly dividing. Radiotherapy is


    also

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    more effective on rapidly dividing cells.

    So it is not clear how most of the cells in a cancer being derived from


    a

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    single rapidly dividing source would explain the limitations of


    chemotherapy

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    or radiotherapy. It is more likely that there are many different cell
    lines sustaining the growth of cancer and that the *slower* dividing


    ones

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    will be the ones resistant to treatment and cause cancer recurrence if


    it

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    occurs..

    What do you think, Orac?

    Peter Moran

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    Subject: Re: Treatments: Should Cancer Stem-Cells BeTheFocus?
    From: [email hidden]
    Date: 5/5/04 11:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    The spread of cancers through the body could be halted, by targeting a
    protein that helps cells latch on to each other, reveals a new study.

    Myth.
    A theory in search of some data to support it.>

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    The spreading of cancer from an initial tumour to other parts of the
    body - called metastasis

    Never can happen in the real world.

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    Cancer implanted into the mice spread to the lymph
    nodes

    Now that is possible.

    It is not possible for the implanted cells nor the natural cells of the
    tissues to enter the blood stream any more than it is possible for the blood
    cells to migrate into the tissues.

    The lymphatic system is a first line of defense against disease, including
    cancer. The cells of the lymphatic system line up like the cells on a fish
    skin. They can open up and allow in objects as large as other cells that need
    to be be removed from the body. It is this capacity of the lymph system which
    would have allowed the cells to "migrate". That is, migrate to a node where it
    would be trapped and destroyed by lysosomes.

    Damn. Why is it that these jerks cannot understand the obvious truths that
    they are studying?

    DrC PhD

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    So far, can't find Beard, but did find this:

    http://www.navi.net/~rsc/unitari1.htm
    This is what the Gonzalez/Dr Kelley therapy is based on.
    (High doses of digestive proteolytic enzymes.)

    5T4 & Cancer Vaccine

    [http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99994309]

    Stem cell mobility linked to cancer's spread,
    10:23 24 October 03 NewScientist.com news service

    A molecule present in many spreading cancers, has been identified as key
    to helping stem cells to become mobile, reveal UK scientists.

    A cancer vaccine based on the molecule, has already been successfully
    trialled in humans, and a "magic bullet" treatment is also in
    development.

    As cancers grow, cells often move out of the original tumour and spread
    around the body using the blood or lymphatic system, a process called
    metastasis. These widespread cancers are especially difficult to treat.

    Now scientists have discovered, that a surface molecule called 5T4
    (which is present in many different types of tumour), is also produced
    by embryonic stem cells (ESCs) as the embryo grows and develops.

    Peter Stern and colleagues, at Cancer Research UK's Paterson Institute
    in Manchester, found the 5T4 produced by mouse ESCs, made the cells
    spread across culture plates. "We think we've found a common factor in
    the movement of embryonic cells during development, and of cancer cells
    during the spread of disease," he says.

    Robert Souhami, director of clinical research at Cancer Research UK,
    says: "By studying fundamental developmental biology, the new study has
    highlighted a potentially exciting strategy to prevent cancer from
    spreading - one of the great challenges faced by scientists."

    Avoid rejection

    The researchers originally came across 5T4, when they compared the
    surface molecules of special ESCs called trophoblasts, with those found
    on cancer cells in humans.

    Trophoblasts form the interface between the placenta and a fetus. The
    team focused on them, because this special layer has to avoid rejection
    by the mother's immune system - cancer cells also manage to evade the
    body's immune system.

    They found 5T4 was common to both. The molecule was overexpressed in
    cancer cells, whereas non-cancerous adult cells did not express the
    molecule at all.

    The new study of mouse ESCs demonstrated, that 5T4 is the key to making
    developing stem cells mobile. In normal development, 5T4 is involved in
    helping cells move around in a regulated way, Stern explains. "In cancer
    it's not regulated - it's out of control."

    Immune response

    The team has already harnessed 5T4 in human clinical trials. Because it
    is expressed in the embryo only, 5T4 should be treated as a foreign
    invader by the adult body.

    The team, in collaboration with Oxford BioMedica, has developed a
    therapeutic vaccine, based on eliciting an immune response against
    cancer cells expressing 5T4.

    "The cancer vaccine has been shown to be immunogenic and safe," Stern
    told New Scientist.

    The team is also collaborating with Active Biotech, to develop a "magic
    bullet" based on 5T4. They are using an antibody that latches on to the
    molecule, to seek out tumours and deliver a drug to kill them.

    The discovery of 5T4 could even give practical help to scientists trying
    to isolate pure, unspecialised ESCs, Stern adds.

    Stem cells differentiate easily, and 5T4 could be used as a marker to
    weed out cells, which have started to develop from their primitive
    state.

    Journal reference: Journal of Cell Science (vol 116, p 4533)

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    Susan, Su_Texas my opinions

    Thanks for the info
    Anth

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