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  1. My brother believes he heard a snippet of a report about
    laser treatment for diabetics with balance problems. I can
    find nothing about this on the web sites nor on Medline. Are
    any of you familiar with this - or with any other treatment
    for balance problems?

    Thanks for your help.

    Trish

  2. Trish said:

    My brother believes he heard a snippet of a report about
    laser treatment for diabetics with balance problems. I can
    find nothing about this on the web sites nor on Medline.
    Are any of you familiar with this - or with any other
    treatment for balance problems? Thanks for your help. Trish

    Quote

    Suitability For Laser Eye Treatment All levels of glasses
    prescriptions are now treatable. With the exception of cases
    of eye diseases, most people will now be suitable for
    treatment with ICL's.

    If you have previously been refused, please check again as
    we can now treat severe short sight, long sight and
    astigmatism.

    You should be suitable for laser eye treatment if you are
    healthy and over 21 years old.

    We do not normally recommend laser eye treatment for very
    low levels of eyesight correction, i.e. -0.75 dioptre or
    unless combined with astigmatism.

    Your eyesight should not have changed significantly within
    the last year, as your eye sight problem may still be
    getting worse.

    There is no upper age limit, although older patients with
    low levels of short sight will need reading glasses and
    laser eye treatment may not be desirable

    We can treat diabetics who are well controlled and do not
    have damaged retinas (retinopathy)

    Unquote

    Reference: optimax.co.ukamisuitable.html

    [Took 20 seconds]

    Pete

    Diagnosed 20/03/03 Type II D&E + Metformin + Gliclazide MR
    + Asprin 210lbs at Dx to BMI 166lbs achieved. To mail: aspen
    at freeuk.com

  3. On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 01:18:38 -0700, "Trish" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    My brother believes he heard a snippet of a report about
    laser treatment for diabetics with balance problems. I can
    find nothing about this on the web sites nor on Medline.
    Are any of you familiar with this - or with any other
    treatment for balance problems?

    Thanks for your help.

    Trish

    is the balance problem even related to the diabetes? isn't
    that an inner ear problem?

    Mack©® Type 1 since 1975 alt-support-diabetes.orgalt-support-diabetes.org
    insulin-pumpers.orginsulin-pumpers.org

    In tribute to the United States of America and the State of
    Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with
    strife and terrorism.

    "To announce that there must be no criticism of the
    President, or that we are to stand by the President
    right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile,
    but is morally treasonable to the American public."

    ...Theodore Roosevelt

  4. "Trish" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    My brother believes he heard a snippet of a report about
    laser treatment


    for

    Quoted message said:

    diabetics with balance problems. I can find nothing about
    this on the web sites nor on Medline. Are any of you
    familiar with this - or with any


    other

    Quoted message said:

    treatment for balance problems?

    Thanks for your help.

    Trish

    Hi there Trish,

    I had a quick browse in Medscape, and about the only thing
    that seemed even close was the study that showed that people
    who had diabetes for quite some time were statistically more
    likely to suffer fractures from falls and other accidents
    than non-diabetics, or those who had been only recently
    dx'd. See: medscape.com461969

    "The risk likely grew over time because of the increased
    number (and increasing severity) of comorbidities and
    complications due to diabetes, Dr. de Laet said. For
    instance, diabetic eye-related problems could contribute to
    a greater number of falls, thus contributing to increased
    fracture risk. Vascular disease could contribute to fracture
    risk too. The study is an observational one, and direct
    causes for increased fracture risk are still not known, he
    said. The researchers did not describe or link specific
    complications or comorbidities associated with fractures.

    Clifford Rosen, MD, professor of nutrition at the University
    of Maine, told Medscape that for physicians, "the message
    would be to think of bone density but don't ever exclude the
    possibility of other risk factors, particularly family
    history and metabolic control of diabetes."

    The less diabetes is controlled, the more likely there will
    be neuropathy along with balance problems, he said."

    "Along with balance problems"? What does that mean? I don't
    know, he doesn't say.

    But this could also connect with having laser treatment for
    the EYES (diabetic retinopathy treatment). As you say, your
    brother only caught a snippet.

    I would certainly think that peripheral neuropathy could
    affect ones balance as well, if either of the feet are
    unsensitive, then one could easily be more likely to trip
    on, or not notice, uneven ground.

    I have not come across any articles indicating that the
    inner ear could be affected by diabetes, but I suppose it is
    possible. Then again, where would laser therapy fit in?

    Annette

  5. Part of my physical therapy for assorted leg & joint
    problems includes balance exercises. I don't have a
    balance problem, but these exercises can be quite
    challenging. They help strengthen a lot of little muscles
    you're not even aware of, that the regular focussed
    exercises don't do so much for.

    I've seen people at p.t. who are doing similar exercises for
    balance & other problems they already have. bj

    "Trish" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    My brother believes he heard a snippet of a report about
    laser treatment


    for

    Quoted message said:

    diabetics with balance problems. I can find nothing about
    this on the web sites nor on Medline. Are any of you
    familiar with this - or with any


    other

    Quoted message said:

    treatment for balance problems?

    Thanks for your help.

    Trish

  6. Annette said:


    "Trish" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    My brother believes he heard a snippet of a report about
    laser treatment


    for

    Quoted message said:

    diabetics with balance problems. I can find nothing about
    this on the web sites nor on Medline. Are any of you
    familiar with this - or with any


    other

    Quoted message said:

    treatment for balance problems?

    Thanks for your help.

    Trish

    Hi there Trish,

    I had a quick browse in Medscape, and about the only thing
    that seemed even close was the study that showed that
    people who had diabetes for quite some time were
    statistically more likely to suffer fractures from falls
    and other accidents than non-diabetics, or those who had
    been only recently dx'd. See:
    medscape.com461969

    "The risk likely grew over time because of the increased
    number (and increasing severity) of comorbidities and
    complications due to diabetes, Dr. de Laet said. For
    instance, diabetic eye-related problems could contribute to
    a greater number of falls, thus contributing to increased
    fracture risk. Vascular disease could contribute to
    fracture risk too. The study is an observational one, and
    direct causes for increased fracture risk are still not
    known, he said. The researchers did not describe or link
    specific complications or comorbidities associated with
    fractures.

    Clifford Rosen, MD, professor of nutrition at the
    University of Maine, told Medscape that for physicians,
    "the message would be to think of bone density but don't
    ever exclude the possibility of other risk factors,
    particularly family history and metabolic control of
    diabetes."

    The less diabetes is controlled, the more likely there will
    be neuropathy along with balance problems, he said."

    "Along with balance problems"? What does that mean? I don't
    know, he doesn't say.

    But this could also connect with having laser treatment for
    the EYES (diabetic retinopathy treatment). As you say, your
    brother only caught a snippet.

    I would certainly think that peripheral neuropathy could
    affect ones balance as well, if either of the feet are
    unsensitive, then one could easily be more likely to trip
    on, or not notice, uneven ground.

    I have not come across any articles indicating that the
    inner ear could be affected by diabetes, but I suppose it
    is possible. Then again, where would laser therapy fit
    in? Annette

    in addition - from personal experience - I lost most of my
    weight quite quickly and as a result I was 'off balance'
    walking etc. I would stumble on uneven surfaces and this
    surprised me since I am blessed with better than average
    balance/motor control. I sought advice from a
    Physiotherapist who pondered over this event and contancted
    me a few days later. All the time my body was carrying the
    extra weight, my muscles got used to moving in a certain way
    to accommodate that weight. Once it was gone then my body
    had to learn a new accommodation to cater for the lack of
    weight, less effort etc. Maintaining balance requires minute
    hardly perceptible muscle contractions/expansions which you
    are hardly aware off until the motor input is either
    disrupted or the values change. There are also skeletal
    issues involved as well and this is all independant of the
    inner ear.

    After about a month this novel effect disappeared without me
    even noticing it. Thinking back, at the time I just knew
    that climbing a ladder was a stupid thing to do. Somewhere
    in the back of my mind I lacked the confidence. I just knew
    I would fall. That is not the case now and I frequently find
    myself up a ladder.

    Try walking about with a 50lb pack on your back for 8 hours
    and then take it off. The effect is the same but more
    rapidly noticed and felt.

    Also, If you have Neuropathy then by definition the loss
    of feeling in the feet for example will hinder the
    minute signals which are used unconsciously to maintain
    errect balance.

    H&S in UK warns against Diabetics climbing ladders in the
    work place because of this and the fact that you can have it
    without noticing to a degree where it will severely effect
    your body's ability to counteract moment changes. That is 'a
    degradation of sensory signal = lack of or slowness of
    response'. If you are 30 foot up a ladder balancing on one
    leg then you do not need that. It'd be similar in effect to
    climbing a ladder when [censored] out of your skull.

    Pete

    Diagnosed 20/03/03 Type II D&E + Metformin + Gliclazide MR
    + Asprin 210lbs at Dx to BMI 166lbs achieved. To mail: aspen
    at freeuk.com

  7. "Trish" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    My brother believes he heard a snippet of a report about
    laser treatment


    for

    Quoted message said:

    diabetics with balance problems. I can find nothing about
    this on the web sites nor on Medline. Are any of you
    familiar with this - or with any


    other

    Quoted message said:

    treatment for balance problems?

    Thanks for your help.

    Nope. Never heard of it.

    --
    Type 2 users.bestweb.net~jbove

  8. "Mack©®" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    is the balance problem even related to the diabetes? isn't
    that an inner ear problem?

    Neuropathy in the feet and legs can cause balance problems
    because you can't feel the ground/floor beneath you,
    therefore you can't tell where you are in relation to things
    around you. I usually do pretty well during the day if I'm
    on flat ground and have things around me to use as visual
    clues, such as walls, sidewalks, hedges, etc. But get me
    outside at night and I feel like I'm spinning and falling.
    It's horrible! The Neurologist said this is because I don't
    have those visual clues to help me realize where I am in
    relation to things around me. I've also been known to fall
    down during the day when I step from one surface to another
    that's as little as 1/2" different in height. Any little
    thing can throw me off. Got a pair of walking shoes that is
    supposed to be one of the best, but couldn't stand up
    straight in them because the height of the sole/heel was too
    high for me. And they really weren't all that high. But when
    I put them on, it was all I could do to stand up in them,
    let alone walk!

    --
    Type 2 users.bestweb.net~jbove

  9. Julie, Have you ever tried a rocker board? A friend of mine
    said his wife's balance got so bad that she was almost wheel
    chair bound. At a picnic, a neurologist, who sat across the
    table from them, suggest that he make a rocker board for his
    wife and have her stand on it with her eyes open and then
    close. Make sure your husband has his arms around you w/o
    touching but in case you start to fall he can catch you. Bob
    said he started with 1/4" rockers. Also, she had to do it in
    her bare feet in order to stimulate the sensors in the
    bottom of her feet. Well, he timed his wife and at first she
    couldn't even get on the board. So he held her, in about two
    weeks she could stand for 5 sec. w/o being held. It's been a
    year and now she can go up and down much better. So, maybe
    it's worth a try for U. Good Luck.

    "Julie Bove" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Mack©®" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    is the balance problem even related to the diabetes?
    isn't that an inner ear problem?

    Neuropathy in the feet and legs can cause balance problems
    because you


    can't

    Quoted message said:

    feel the ground/floor beneath you, therefore you can't
    tell where you are


    in

    Quoted message said:

    relation to things around you. I usually do pretty well
    during the day if I'm on flat ground and have things
    around me to use as visual clues, such


    as

    Quoted message said:

    walls, sidewalks, hedges, etc. But get me outside at night
    and I feel


    like

    Quoted message said:

    I'm spinning and falling. It's horrible! The Neurologist
    said this is because I don't have those visual clues to
    help me realize where I am in relation to things around
    me. I've also been known to fall down during


    the

    Quoted message said:

    day when I step from one surface to another that's as
    little as 1/2" different in height. Any little thing can
    throw me off. Got a pair of walking shoes that is supposed
    to be one of the best, but couldn't stand


    up

    Quoted message said:

    straight in them because the height of the sole/heel was
    too high for me. And they really weren't all that high.
    But when I put them on, it was all


    I

    Quoted message said:

    could do to stand up in them, let alone walk!

    --
    Type 2 users.bestweb.net~jbove

  10. "Pete" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    H&S in UK warns against Diabetics climbing ladders in the
    work place because of this and the fact that you can have
    it without noticing to a degree where it will severely
    effect your body's ability to counteract moment changes.
    That is 'a degradation of sensory signal = lack of or
    slowness of response'. If you are 30 foot up a ladder
    balancing on one leg then you do not need that. It'd be
    similar in effect to climbing a ladder when [censored] out of
    your skull.

    Our dining room light fixture is one of those old glass ones
    with screws in the side. I think at one point, they were
    merely screws that could be turned by hand, but two of them
    fell out and now the thing is held up by only one screw that
    requires a screwdriver. For some reason, the bulb in that
    socket always burns out within a month or two of putting it
    in. Repair has looked at it many times and can't find the
    problem. They keep telling me they'll get me a new fixture,
    but that never happens. In the meantime, I am terrified to
    have to change that bulb. I do have a step ladder, but I
    don't want to try standing on it because I would have to
    stand on the second rung and they are skinny rungs. So I
    stand on a chair. But that's not good for me either. I have
    trouble getting on and off the chair and once up there, I
    have nothing to hang onto for balance. Not only that,
    because of the design of the fixture, I must use both hands
    to get the cover off. My husband has managed to change the
    bulb once, but most of the time when I ask him to do it, he
    gives up, claiming he can't get the cover off or back on
    again. Granted, it's not easy to do, but at least he has
    good balance. When we buy our new house, I will be sure to
    check out the light fixtures and make sure they're suitable!

    --
    Type 2 users.bestweb.net~jbove

  11. Quoted message said:

    Neuropathy in the feet and legs can cause balance problems
    because you can't feel the ground/floor beneath you,
    therefore you can't tell where you are in relation to
    things around you. I usually do pretty well during the day
    if I'm on flat ground and have things around me to use as
    visual clues, such as walls, sidewalks, hedges, etc. But
    get me outside at night and I feel like I'm spinning and
    falling. It's horrible! The Neurologist said this is

    Add me to that list as well ... although you seem to be a
    bit worse than I am, I have definitely lost the "fine"
    location/vertical sensation in my feet and ankles - with my
    eyes closed I *must* have at least a fingertip on something
    solid to maintain proper balance. (Quite awkward when
    towellling the head after a shower, and I think of a
    bathroom as one of the scarier places to fall - all those
    *hard* surfaces etc). Night doesn't trouble me - I suppose
    because there's still *some* visual clues being as "night"
    doesn't quite equate to "pitch black" ..

    I also find it awkward when something catches on my foot -
    under normal conditions I used to feel the object and make a
    quick recovery- now I must just about trip over first.

    The way I understand it is the small signals are attenuated,
    and by the time the stronger signals are received from
    either the ears or the higher parts of the legs, I'm already
    past the point where normally small muscle movement would
    have corrected the problem more easily.

    Quoted message said:

    day when I step from one surface to another that's as
    little as 1/2" different in height. Any little thing can
    throw me off.

    I haven't got that far (yet, I suppose) but I have stumbled
    badly going down outdoor steps because the back of my heel
    struck the edge of the previous step and I knew nothing
    until I was already off-balance.

    Quoted message said:

    walking shoes that is supposed to be one of the best, but
    couldn't stand up straight in them because the height of
    the sole/heel was too high for me.

    What *really* frustrates me about this is the problem it
    causes with stepladders - being unstable is *much* scarier
    when you're above ground level ....

    It seems to me that with this condition it becomes necessary
    to emulate a person with two wooden legs - *always* be hyper-
    aware of the feet and whats going on around/under them ...

    --

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    are no longer in stock" ]-
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  12. Quoted message said:

    rocker board for his wife and have her stand on it with her
    eyes open and

    Sounds like a sensible idea - if nothing else it might
    retrain the brain to read the other balance sensors (ear
    drums etc) a little more sensitively - worth a try, I'd say.

    I'm assuming by "rocker board" you mean a board with a
    roller under the middle that can tilt left or right as the
    weight shifts from side to side ??

    --

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    are no longer in stock" ]-
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  13. Quoted message said:

    only one screw that requires a screwdriver. For some
    reason, the bulb in that socket always burns out within a
    month or two of putting it in. Repair has looked at it many
    times and can't find the problem. They keep telling

    I don't know if this has any relevance to your problem, but
    I've had similiar problems in the past with fittings that
    are only rated for a 60 watt bulb, and some idiot has
    insisted on using 100 watt bulbs - generally a closed
    fitting (which your's sounds like) can only easily dissipate
    a certain amount of heat - put in a higher wattage bulb than
    the fitting is rated for and everything overheats, which can
    shorten the life of the filament because now the bulb also
    gets too hot .....

    Unless you already have a very low wattage bulb in that
    fitting, it can't hurt to try going down - say from 100 to
    60 ... or perhaps get on of those new(ish) power-saving
    things - they produce less heat for the same amount of light
    if you really can't do with less light at that point. Yes,
    they cost more, but usually last a lot longer, and if they
    solve your problem, the extra cost would be well worth it ..

    Quoted message said:

    there, I have nothing to hang onto for balance. Not only
    that, because of the design of the fixture, I must use both
    hands to get the cover off. My husband has managed to
    change the bulb once, but most of the time when I ask him
    to do it, he gives up, claiming he can't get the cover off
    or back on

    Can't he at least stand behind you with his hands on your
    back or waist to give you something to balance against ???

    --

    ]- "I am a man of many parts, ]- unfortunately most of them
    are no longer in stock" ]-
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  14. Julie Bove said:

    "Mack©®" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    is the balance problem even related to the diabetes?
    isn't that an inner ear problem?

    Neuropathy in the feet and legs can cause balance problems
    because you can't feel the ground/floor beneath you,
    therefore you can't tell where you are in relation to
    things around you. I usually do pretty well during the day
    if I'm on flat ground and have things around me to use as
    visual clues, such as walls, sidewalks, hedges, etc. But
    get me outside at night and I feel like I'm spinning and
    falling. It's horrible! The Neurologist said this is
    because I don't have those visual clues to help me realize
    where I am in relation to things around me. I've also been
    known to fall down during the day when I step from one
    surface to another that's as little as 1/2" different in
    height. Any little thing can throw me off. Got a pair of
    walking shoes that is supposed to be one of the best, but
    couldn't stand up straight in them because the height of
    the sole/heel was too high for me. And they really weren't
    all that high. But when I put them on, it was all I could
    do to stand up in them, let alone walk!

    must be an individual thing. I have neuropathy in my feet, I
    also work at night walking long distance in unlit areas with
    no problems. I had no problems walking while wearing
    bandages on my eyes after surgery.

    thanks for the info.

    Mack©® Type 1 since 1975 alt-support-diabetes.orgalt-support-diabetes.org
    insulin-pumpers.orginsulin-pumpers.org

    In tribute to the United States of America and the State of
    Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with
    strife and terrorism.

    "To announce that there must be no criticism of the
    President, or that we are to stand by the President
    right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile,
    but is morally treasonable to the American public."

    ...Theodore Roosevelt

  15. On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 17:01:12 -0400, "Julie Bove"
    <[email hidden]> wrote: <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    In the meantime, I am terrified to have to change
    that bulb.


    <snip>

    Julie - I understand what you were saying, but use some
    lateral thinking.

    Buy a standard lamp that sits on the floor behind your
    chair.

    Cheers, Alan, T2 d&e, Australia.
    --
    Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.

  16. "Hairy Antelope" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    - put in a higher wattage bulb than the fitting is rated
    for and everything overheats, which can shorten the
    life of the filament because now the bulb also gets too
    hot .....

    It's also a serious fire hazzard. bj

  17. "Evon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Julie, Have you ever tried a rocker board? A friend of
    mine said his wife's


    balance

    Quoted message said:

    got so bad that she was almost wheel chair bound. At a
    picnic, a neurologist, who sat across the table from them,
    suggest that he make a rocker board for his wife and have
    her stand on it with her eyes open and then close. Make
    sure your husband has his arms around you w/o touching


    but

    Quoted message said:

    in case you start to fall he can catch you. Bob said he
    started with 1/4" rockers. Also, she had to do it in her
    bare feet in order to stimulate the sensors in the bottom
    of her feet. Well, he timed his wife and at first


    she

    Quoted message said:

    couldn't even get on the board. So he held her, in about
    two weeks she


    could

    Quoted message said:

    stand for 5 sec. w/o being held. It's been a year and now
    she can go up


    and

    Quoted message said:

    down much better. So, maybe it's worth a try for U.
    Good Luck.

    No, and I don't think that's something I could do. I have
    more problems than just Neuropathy. The veins in my legs are
    bad and I have to wear compression stockings or the pain and
    swelling is unbearable. So bare feet are out for me. I also
    have Fibromyalgia. One good thing I do have going for me is
    that my background is in dance. In ballet, you do all sorts
    of things to help with your balance. These tricks can help
    me a lot, but only during the day time because they rely on
    visual cues. I think if I didn't have that going for me, I'd
    be even worse off. I did try a wheelchair at one point, but
    the motion of the wheelchair made me so dizzy, I had to get
    out of it.

    --
    Type 2 users.bestweb.net~jbove

  18. "Hairy Antelope" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Add me to that list as well ... although you seem to be a
    bit worse than I am, I have definitely lost the "fine"
    location/vertical sensation in my feet and ankles - with
    my eyes closed I *must* have at least a fingertip on
    something solid to maintain proper balance. (Quite awkward
    when towellling the head after a shower, and I think of a
    bathroom as one of the scarier places to fall - all those
    *hard* surfaces etc). Night doesn't trouble me - I suppose
    because there's still *some* visual clues being as "night"
    doesn't quite equate to "pitch black" ..

    At one point, taking a shower was horrible for me. I felt
    like somone was pulling my lower half one direction and my
    upper half the other direction. It was very difficult for me
    to get myself under the spray of water. The showers are a
    little easier for me now, but I've learned that I must
    shower very quickly. I can't wear my compression hose in the
    shower, so my feet and legs begin to swell. That doesn't
    help because it's the same sensation as walking on an
    underfilled water bed.

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    I also find it awkward when something catches on my foot -
    under normal conditions I used to feel the object and make
    a quick recovery- now I must just about trip over first.

    Yep. I'm always getting after my daughter because she tends
    to leave toys and things on the floor. I've tripped over the
    tiniest little things.

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    The way I understand it is the small signals are
    attenuated, and by the time the stronger signals are
    received from either the ears or the higher parts of
    the legs, I'm already past the point where normally
    small muscle movement would have corrected the problem
    more easily.

    That could be.

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    day when I step from one surface to another that's as
    little as 1/2" different in height. Any little thing can
    throw me off.

    I haven't got that far (yet, I suppose) but I have
    stumbled badly going down outdoor steps because the back
    of my heel struck the edge of the previous step and I knew
    nothing until I was already off-balance.

    Steps are very hard for me. I've learned to go down them
    sideways. That way if I fall, I fall into the steps and not
    down them.

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    What *really* frustrates me about this is the problem it
    causes with stepladders - being unstable is *much* scarier
    when you're above ground level ....

    Yep!

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    It seems to me that with this condition it becomes
    necessary to emulate a person with two wooden legs -
    *always* be hyper-aware of the feet and whats going on
    around/under them ...

    Exactly!

    --
    Type 2 users.bestweb.net~jbove

  19. "Mack©®" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    must be an individual thing. I have neuropathy in my feet,
    I also work at night walking long distance in unlit areas
    with no problems. I had no problems walking while wearing
    bandages on my eyes after surgery.

    Well, I do have other medical problems that could also
    affect my balance and those were not diagnosed at the time
    the Neuropathy was diagnosed. So it could be that the
    Neurologist assumed that my problems related to that. Or
    it could be the area/degree of damage I have is different
    than yours.

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  20. Thanks a lot, Annette, for researching this for me. (And
    thanks to everyone for inputting all their personal
    experiences!) Unfortunately my brother's doc say his retina
    is beyond laser treatment. I'm thinking bj's physical
    therapy exercises may help though. Bj, were you using a
    swiss ball? I a google search turned up a number of
    applications of the swiss ball in physical therapy to
    promote balance. This is one of them:
    carolinecreager.comtipofmonthshoulderpress.html
    . And the balance board (with a partner) sounds like it has
    potential too. Thanks again to everyone!

    Trish.

    "Annette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message -"]news:[email hidden]-
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    "Trish" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    My brother believes he heard a snippet of a report about
    laser treatment


    for

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    diabetics with balance problems. I can find nothing
    about this on the


    web

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    sites nor on Medline. Are any of you familiar with this
    - or with any


    other

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    treatment for balance problems?

    Thanks for your help.

    Trish

    Hi there Trish,

    I had a quick browse in Medscape, and about the only thing
    that seemed


    even

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    close was the study that showed that people who had
    diabetes for quite


    some

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    time were statistically more likely to suffer fractures
    from falls and


    other

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    accidents than non-diabetics, or those who had been only
    recently dx'd. See:
    medscape.com461969

    "The risk likely grew over time because of the increased
    number (and increasing severity) of comorbidities and
    complications due to diabetes,


    Dr.

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    de Laet said. For instance, diabetic eye-related problems
    could contribute to a greater number of falls, thus
    contributing to increased fracture


    risk.

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    Vascular disease could contribute to fracture risk too.
    The study is an observational one, and direct causes for
    increased


    fracture

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    risk are still not known, he said. The researchers did not
    describe or


    link

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    specific complications or comorbidities associated with
    fractures.

    Clifford Rosen, MD, professor of nutrition at the
    University of Maine,


    told

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    Medscape that for physicians, "the message would be to
    think of bone


    density

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    but don't ever exclude the possibility of other risk
    factors, particularly family history and metabolic control
    of diabetes."

    The less diabetes is controlled, the more likely there
    will be neuropathy along with balance problems, he said."

    "Along with balance problems"? What does that mean? I
    don't know, he doesn't say.

    But this could also connect with having laser treatment
    for the EYES (diabetic retinopathy treatment). As you say,
    your brother only caught a snippet.

    I would certainly think that peripheral neuropathy could
    affect ones


    balance

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    as well, if either of the feet are unsensitive, then one
    could easily be more likely to trip on, or not notice,
    uneven ground.

    I have not come across any articles indicating that the
    inner ear could be affected by diabetes, but I suppose it
    is possible. Then again, where


    would

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    laser therapy fit in?

    Annette

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