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I went for a walk on Monday but all attempts to write a normal trip
report have ended up bogged down in the detail so here is a precis.

Very nice Roger, but where did you go?

Nick

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I went for a walk on Monday but all attempts to write a normal trip
report have ended up bogged down in the detail so here is a precis.

Very nice Roger, but where did you go?

Nick

I guess that was the 3 Peaks then?
Sounds exactly like my experience of doing it a couple of months ago for the
first time in 25 years.
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I guess that was the 3 Peaks then?
Sounds exactly like my experience of doing it a couple of months ago for the
first time in 25 years.
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Dave Lawrance said:

I guess that was the 3 Peaks then?
Sounds exactly like my experience of doing it a couple of months ago for the
first time in 25 years.

7 hours 40 years ago and 9 and a half hours now are both times that
most people could only dream of! Quite a lot of young and youngish
people try unsuccessfully to get under 12 hours.
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Very nice Roger, but where did you go?

Thanks. As others have guessed - The 3 Peaks. I was reluctant to
actually spell it out in case anyone thought I was referring to the
National 3 Peaks rather than the real thing. :-)

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Roger Chapman so far this year 53 summits
New - 27 (Marilyns 13, Nuttalls 5, Outlying Fells 10)
Repeats - 26 (Marilyns 10, Nuttalls 17, Wainwrights 12, Outlying Fells 0)

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7 hours 40 years ago and 9 and a half hours now are both times that
most people could only dream of! Quite a lot of young and youngish
people try unsuccessfully to get under 12 hours.

:-)

The 6.55 was 25 years ago, not 40.

40 years ago I would have had trouble making it to the summit of
Pen-y-ghent even with the aid of my 2 trusty wooden walking sticks.

39 years ago my first attempt took about 14 hours but that was a rather
longer variation starting outside the triangle from IIRC Austwick and
making extensive use of the roads. My first serious walk after a serious
car accident at Easter 1964.

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Roger Chapman so far this year 53 summits
New - 27 (Marilyns 13, Nuttalls 5, Outlying Fells 10)
Repeats - 26 (Marilyns 10, Nuttalls 17, Wainwrights 12, Outlying Fells 0)

On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 10:29:14 +0100, Roger <[email hidden]>

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7 hours 40 years ago and 9 and a half hours now are both times that
most people could only dream of! Quite a lot of young and youngish
people try unsuccessfully to get under 12 hours.

:-)

The 6.55 was 25 years ago, not 40.

It's these contact lenses of mine - I misread the date!

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40 years ago I would have had trouble making it to the summit of
Pen-y-ghent even with the aid of my 2 trusty wooden walking sticks.

39 years ago my first attempt took about 14 hours but that was a rather
longer variation starting outside the triangle from IIRC Austwick and
making extensive use of the roads. My first serious walk after a serious
car accident at Easter 1964.

Some friends of mine did it recently, and the youngest (mid 20s) were
struggling towards the end, coming in at over 12 hours, despite being
apparently at peak fitness. I think stamina is something that really
needs practice with long walks - I know people who have no difficulty
at all playing squash (which would kill me) or running around a
football pitch for 90 minutes (which would bore me to death), but are
appalled at the idea of walking more than 8 or 10 miles.

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7 hours 40 years ago and 9 and a half hours now are both times that
most people could only dream of! Quite a lot of young and youngish
people try unsuccessfully to get under 12 hours.

:-)

The 6.55 was 25 years ago, not 40.

It's these contact lenses of mine - I misread the date!

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40 years ago I would have had trouble making it to the summit of
Pen-y-ghent even with the aid of my 2 trusty wooden walking sticks.

39 years ago my first attempt took about 14 hours but that was a rather
longer variation starting outside the triangle from IIRC Austwick and
making extensive use of the roads. My first serious walk after a serious
car accident at Easter 1964.

Some friends of mine did it recently, and the youngest (mid 20s) were
struggling towards the end, coming in at over 12 hours, despite being
apparently at peak fitness. I think stamina is something that really
needs practice with long walks - I know people who have no difficulty
at all playing squash (which would kill me) or running around a
football pitch for 90 minutes (which would bore me to death), but are
appalled at the idea of walking more than 8 or 10 miles.

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"I always knew the entire Green party were nutters" - Ken Livingstone

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of which 8 hours and 45 minutes had been spent walking.
24 miles and 5000 feet of ascent is probably the hardest walk I have
done in the last 20 years and almost certainly harder than anything I
will attempt in the future.

~3mph *average* ?! Sound like one hell of an achievement to me :-)

It must be really satisfying to know that you can do that kind of pace
if you want to. Have you recovered yet ?

Daytona

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of which 8 hours and 45 minutes had been spent walking.
24 miles and 5000 feet of ascent is probably the hardest walk I have
done in the last 20 years and almost certainly harder than anything I
will attempt in the future.

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~3mph *average* ?! Sound like one hell of an achievement to me :-)

That's a fair way under 3 mph which would require a time of just 8
hours. ISTR that someone posted recently about getting round in under 6
hours. Now that is going some. Naismith would have taken 10 and a half
hours but that is probably an unfair comparison as so much of the walk
is now sanitised. Incidentally all my previous 3 peaks walks had been
over the 22 mile course but the hard way up Whernside is now fenced off
(at least at the top) and I am glad that I opted for the gentler long
way round without even going to have a look at the steep way.

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It must be really satisfying to know that you can do that kind of pace
if you want to.

FWIW I was clocking 3.7 - 3.9 mph on a smooth gentle downhill track
approaching the Ribble crossing and 3.7 mph at least occasionally on the
better bits of the descent from Ingleborough.

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Have you recovered yet ?

I feel alright thanks apart from some tightness in the muscles at the
back of my thighs but I have been taking it easy and have done nothing
to raise a sweat since.

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Roger Chapman so far this year 53 summits
New - 27 (Marilyns 13, Nuttalls 5, Outlying Fells 10)
Repeats - 26 (Marilyns 10, Nuttalls 17, Wainwrights 12, Outlying Fells 0)

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of which 8 hours and 45 minutes had been spent walking.
24 miles and 5000 feet of ascent is probably the hardest walk I have
done in the last 20 years and almost certainly harder than anything I
will attempt in the future.

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~3mph *average* ?! Sound like one hell of an achievement to me :-)

That's a fair way under 3 mph which would require a time of just 8
hours.

I was allowing for the ascent using my hazy recollection of Naismith -
1s / m = 1,500s ie 25mins, actually I think it should be both the
ascent and descent 2 x 1,500s 50mins ?

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ISTR that someone posted recently about getting round in under 6
hours. Now that is going some.

4.6mph average ?

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FWIW I was clocking 3.7 - 3.9 mph on a smooth gentle downhill track
approaching the Ribble crossing and 3.7 mph at least occasionally on the
better bits of the descent from Ingleborough.

My average for fast walking is 3.6 over downsland terrain and 4.0 on
the flat hence my admiration. That's calculated manually, so it will
not be as accurate as GPS.

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Have you recovered yet ?

I feel alright thanks apart from some tightness in the muscles at the
back of my thighs

Just the normal then - I like that feeling of muscle tightness - I've
never worked out what it actually means though.

Daytona

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>of which 8 hours and 45 minutes had been spent walking.
>24 miles and 5000 feet of ascent is probably the hardest walk I have
>done in the last 20 years and almost certainly harder than anything I
>will attempt in the future.

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~3mph *average* ?! Sound like one hell of an achievement to me :-)

That's a fair way under 3 mph which would require a time of just 8
hours.

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I was allowing for the ascent using my hazy recollection of Naismith -
1s / m = 1,500s ie 25mins, actually I think it should be both the
ascent and descent 2 x 1,500s 50mins ?

No. Naismiths Rule is simply an hour for every 3 miles on the map and a
further hour for every 2000 feet of ascent to give the the estimated
time for the whole trip including stops. There is a metric equivalent
that is quite close but I can't recall what it is. I always use imperial
distances.

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ISTR that someone posted recently about getting round in under 6
hours. Now that is going some.

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4.6mph average ?

Just on the distance 4 mph but neither Naismith or the faster Chapmans
rule (4 miles and 3000 feet of ascent) accurately predict speed on level
ground. I think it likely that the 6 hourer was probably jogging the
down hill sections. A straight doubling of Naismiths rule would give 5
hours and 15 minutes which is not that much under 6 hours.

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FWIW I was clocking 3.7 - 3.9 mph on a smooth gentle downhill track
approaching the Ribble crossing and 3.7 mph at least occasionally on the
better bits of the descent from Ingleborough.

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My average for fast walking is 3.6 over downsland terrain and 4.0 on
the flat hence my admiration. That's calculated manually, so it will
not be as accurate as GPS.

My figures above weren't the average, just the instantaneous readouts on
2 occasions on easy going. ISTR that the moving average had just about
reached 3 mph before I started to slow going up Whernside.

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Have you recovered yet ?

I feel alright thanks apart from some tightness in the muscles at the
back of my thighs

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Just the normal then - I like that feeling of muscle tightness - I've
never worked out what it actually means though.

Tightness = stiffness = some slight muscle damage I think.

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Roger Chapman so far this year 53 summits
New - 27 (Marilyns 13, Nuttalls 5, Outlying Fells 10)
Repeats - 26 (Marilyns 10, Nuttalls 17, Wainwrights 12, Outlying Fells 0)

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Roger Chapman so far this year 53 summits
New - 27 (Marilyns 13, Nuttalls 5, Outlying Fells 10)
Repeats - 26 (Marilyns 10, Nuttalls 17, Wainwrights 12, Outlying Fells 0)

On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 10:27:18 +0100, Roger <[email hidden]>

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Very nice Roger, but where did you go?

Thanks. As others have guessed - The 3 Peaks. I was reluctant to
actually spell it out in case anyone thought I was referring to the
National 3 Peaks rather than the real thing. :-)

Gosh, Roger, are there *TWO* Three Peaks? I'm surprised nobody here
has mentioned that before!

;-)

<D&RFC>

Judith

On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 07:56:16 +0100, Roger <[email hidden]>

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Back at the car in 9 hours
and 33 minutes of which 8 hours and 45 minutes had been spent walking.
24 miles and 5000 feet of ascent is probably the hardest walk I have
done in the last 20 years and almost certainly harder than anything I
will attempt in the future. But it was an enjoyable day
out, honest.

Sounds like a hard walk to me, Roger. I'm glad you enjoyed it!

Is the route waymarked or is it pretty obvious where to go?

Judith

Roger said:

No. Naismiths Rule is simply an hour for every 3 miles on the map and a
further hour for every 2000 feet of ascent to give the the estimated
time for the whole trip including stops.

Fair enough !

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Is the route waymarked or is it pretty obvious where to go?

Strictly speaking there is no route, just the requirement to link the 3
summits in a circular walk. However most of the route is obvious from
the map and although it is not all on PROWs the path across the Ribble
valley is shown on the latest 1:25,000. From Nether Lodge there is a
choice of route but ISTM that the one that uses least road includes more
distance and significantly more up. The navigation is not so
straightforward either, you would need to actually consult the map from
time to time. All the PROWs have been extensively worked on and although
some are still a bit rough most could be traversed by an adventurous
soul in a wheelchair. I got the impression that the runners must have
been given leave to take to the fields from Nether Lodge to Ribblehead
which looked a good deal flatter and straighter than the PROWs that us
plebs have to stick to.

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Roger Chapman so far this year 53 summits
New - 27 (Marilyns 13, Nuttalls 5, Outlying Fells 10)
Repeats - 26 (Marilyns 10, Nuttalls 17, Wainwrights 12, Outlying Fells 0)

Roger said:

From thereon it was downhill almost all of the way and the pace picked
up again except where gravity was against me. Back at the car in 9 hours
and 33 minutes of which 8 hours and 45 minutes had been spent walking.
24 miles and 5000 feet of ascent is probably the hardest walk I have
done in the last 20 years and almost certainly harder than anything I

My personal formula for long walks in hilly terrain comes up with 13.5
hours for that. I'm sure I wouldn't enjoy much after your 2nd summit...

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carried to such an extent that the all up weight of my rucksack was just
4lb 4oz (half water).

....and there's no way I'd do that with just one liter of water!

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will attempt in the future. But it was an enjoyable day
out, honest.

Main thing!
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