Traps and snares

Martin Richardson said:

Unfortunately, I am sometimes a bit clumsy and I may have
inadvertently brushed against the snares and traps so that
they will have become not fully operable.

Good for you Martin. It's a nasty world we live in.

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On 6/4/04 9:46 pm, in article [email hidden], "Martin

Richardson said:

Unfortunately, I am sometimes a bit clumsy and I may have
inadvertently brushed against the snares and traps so that
they will have become not fully operable.

People like you give us walkers a bad name :-)

--
Andy Howell Birmingham, UK

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Quoted message said:

Unfortunately, I am sometimes a bit clumsy and I may have
inadvertently brushed against the snares and traps so that
they will have become not fully operable.

Oh dear, wot a shame. In such circumstances I too would be a
little more than usually clumsy. Nervousness, after all,
causes all sorts of things...
--
Fran If you need my email address please ask.

I can understand the need to cull from time to time, but why
use such barbaric methods, surly a dart loaded with very
quick acting poison fired from a gun would be more humane
and efficient, or even a much longer term sterilisation
program, this would prevent any suffering.

I am extremely clumsy

(Where is this happening?)

"Martin Richardson" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Quoted message said:

Is it just me, or is there an increase in the number of
snares and traps left for animals?

"Martin Richardson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Is it just me, or is there an increase in the number of
snares and traps left for animals?

On a recent walk on a property belonging to the National
Trust for Scotland I set off from a carpark where there
a number of signs explaining how the NTS was trying to
'naturalise' the land and hence justifying the need for
a deer cull. I saw a ranger carrying a gun and wondered
why he should need the gun. The following day I happened
to follow the route the ranger had taken and I was
horrified to find a noose snare across the path - then,
I realised what he was doing, he was checking whether
some poor creature had been caught and the gun was to
put it out of its misery if not already dead. How does
the NTS justify the practice of using traps on their
land which they are trying to 'naturalise' -
particularly when the trap is obviously not guaranteed
to cause a quick and painless death?

Then, a fortnight later I was exploring grouse moors
somewhere in the Yorkshire Dales. Besides being somewhat
bemused by the dozens of small piles of calcium each
marked by an ugly length of white plastic tubing stuck
into the ground, I was concerned at the number of
pointless and nasty traps. The most common were lengths of
wire spread across paths attached to a metal peg at one
end and a small twig at the other - I assume the point of
them is to damage or break the legs of small animals
- what a nasty trick. The most pointless were the couple
of really vicious snap traps set on logs across ditches
- in all those acres of land what was the point? Even if
they killed one creature a day there would still be
hundreds not killed - how could two vicious and nasty
traps make any difference to anything except the lives
of the hapless few that did get caught?

Unfortunately, I am sometimes a bit clumsy and I may have
inadvertently brushed against the snares and traps so that
they will have become not fully operable.

Slightly naive! Aren't we? I don't think you know, what you
are talking about IMO :-(

If , you think that these traps are illegal in the UK,
telephone the local Police Constabulary and ask for their
"Wildlife Officer" And he/she will investigate.

By all means destroy them! But remember, walkers will get
the blame!

Not animal activists;-)

Roy Veevers

I think the point has been missed here, I don't think the
point is whether they are legal or illegal, just that
they are so inhumane, also could be extremely dangerous
to walkers.

"Roy Veevers" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

"Martin Richardson" <[email hidden]> wrote in
message "]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Is it just me, or is there an increase in the number of
snares and traps left for animals?

On a recent walk on a property belonging to the National
Trust for Scotland I set off from a carpark where there
a number of signs explaining how the NTS was trying to
'naturalise' the land and hence justifying the need for
a deer cull. I saw a ranger carrying a gun and wondered
why he should need the gun. The following day I happened
to follow the route the ranger had taken and I was
horrified to find a noose snare across the path - then,
I realised what he was doing, he was checking whether
some poor creature had been caught and the gun was to
put it out of its misery if not already dead. How does
the NTS justify the practice of using traps on their
land which they are trying to 'naturalise' -
particularly when the trap is obviously not guaranteed
to cause a quick and painless death?

Then, a fortnight later I was exploring grouse moors
somewhere in the Yorkshire Dales. Besides being somewhat
bemused by the dozens of small piles of calcium each
marked by an ugly length of white plastic tubing stuck
into the ground, I was concerned at the number of
pointless and nasty traps. The most common were lengths
of wire spread across paths attached to a metal peg at
one end and a small twig at the other - I assume the
point of them is to damage or break the legs of small
animals
- what a nasty trick. The most pointless were the couple
of really vicious snap traps set on logs across
ditches - in all those acres of land what was the
point? Even if they killed one creature a day there
would still be hundreds not killed - how could two
vicious and nasty traps make any difference to
anything except the lives of the hapless few that did
get caught?

Unfortunately, I am sometimes a bit clumsy and I may
have inadvertently brushed against the snares and traps
so that they will have become not fully operable.

Slightly naive! Aren't we? I don't think you know, what
you are talking about IMO :-(

If , you think that these traps are illegal in the UK,
telephone the local Police Constabulary and ask for their
"Wildlife Officer" And he/she will investigate.

By all means destroy them! But remember, walkers will get
the blame!

Not animal activists;-)

Roy Veevers

Quoted message said:

If , you think that these traps are illegal in the UK,
telephone the local Police Constabulary and ask for their
"Wildlife Officer" And he/she will investigate.

I don't thing the legality of this is in question, but the
pain and suffering caused by theses barbaric devices, after
all you wouldn't like the thought of your dog getting
trapped in one.

"Roy Veevers" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

"Martin Richardson" <[email hidden]> wrote in
message "]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Is it just me, or is there an increase in the number of
snares and traps left for animals?

On a recent walk on a property belonging to the National
Trust for Scotland I set off from a carpark where there
a number of signs explaining how the NTS was trying to
'naturalise' the land and hence justifying the need for
a deer cull. I saw a ranger carrying a gun and wondered
why he should need the gun. The following day I happened
to follow the route the ranger had taken and I was
horrified to find a noose snare across the path - then,
I realised what he was doing, he was checking whether
some poor creature had been caught and the gun was to
put it out of its misery if not already dead. How does
the NTS justify the practice of using traps on their
land which they are trying to 'naturalise' -
particularly when the trap is obviously not guaranteed
to cause a quick and painless death?

Then, a fortnight later I was exploring grouse moors
somewhere in the Yorkshire Dales. Besides being somewhat
bemused by the dozens of small piles of calcium each
marked by an ugly length of white plastic tubing stuck
into the ground, I was concerned at the number of
pointless and nasty traps. The most common were lengths
of wire spread across paths attached to a metal peg at
one end and a small twig at the other - I assume the
point of them is to damage or break the legs of small
animals
- what a nasty trick. The most pointless were the couple
of really vicious snap traps set on logs across
ditches - in all those acres of land what was the
point? Even if they killed one creature a day there
would still be hundreds not killed - how could two
vicious and nasty traps make any difference to
anything except the lives of the hapless few that did
get caught?

Unfortunately, I am sometimes a bit clumsy and I may
have inadvertently brushed against the snares and traps
so that they will have become not fully operable.

Slightly naive! Aren't we? I don't think you know, what
you are talking about IMO :-(

88000

Quoted message said:

By all means destroy them! But remember, walkers will get
the blame!

Not animal activists;-)

Roy Veevers

"Paul Blake" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

I can understand the need to cull from time to time, but
why use such barbaric methods, surly a dart loaded with
very quick acting poison fired from a gun would be more
humane and efficient, or even a much longer term
sterilisation program, this would prevent any suffering.

Please don't think of mentioning "poison" and "humane" in
the same sentence. Some may be quick-acting, but they are
not exactly humane, with the animal dying in extreme agony.

Many of these poisons are non-biodegradable and remain in
the food chain. Scavengers such as birds of prey accumulate
them quite easily.

Also, traps with darts loaded with strychnine would pose a
pretty horrific hazard to humans, dogs, and other legitimate
recreational users of the outdoors.

The only humane poisons available are for rat control, and
are pretty much specific to rats. They only work well if
placed in rat feeding sites, normally indoors.

To repeat, *please* don't suggest poisons as a solution to
anything in the outdoors.

--
Mark South Citizen of the World, Denizen of the Net <<Tiens!
Ce poulet a une grenade!

sorry for the double posts but both valid I think

"Paul Blake" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

If , you think that these traps are illegal in the UK,
telephone the

local

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Police Constabulary and ask for their "Wildlife Officer"
And he/she will investigate.

I don't thing the legality of this is in question, but the
pain and suffering caused by theses barbaric devices,
after all you wouldn't like

the

Quoted message said:

thought of your dog getting trapped in one.

"Roy Veevers" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

"Martin Richardson" <[email hidden]> wrote
in message "]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Is it just me, or is there an increase in the number
of snares and

traps

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

left for animals?

On a recent walk on a property belonging to the
National Trust for Scotland I set off from a carpark
where there a number of signs explaining how the NTS
was trying to 'naturalise' the land and hence
justifying the need for a deer cull. I saw a ranger
carrying a gun and wondered why he should need the
gun. The following day I happened to follow the route
the ranger had taken and I was horrified to find a
noose snare across the path - then, I realised what he
was doing, he

was

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

checking whether some poor creature had been caught
and the gun was to put it out of its misery if not
already dead. How does the NTS

justify

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

the practice of using traps on their land which they
are trying to 'naturalise' - particularly when the
trap is obviously not guaranteed

to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

cause a quick and painless death?

Then, a fortnight later I was exploring grouse moors
somewhere in the Yorkshire Dales. Besides being
somewhat bemused by the dozens of small piles of
calcium each marked by an ugly length of white plastic
tubing stuck into the ground, I was concerned at the
number of pointless and nasty traps. The most common
were lengths of wire spread across paths attached to a
metal peg at one end and a small twig at the other - I
assume the point of them is to damage or break the
legs of small

animals

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

- what a nasty trick. The most pointless were the
couple of really vicious snap traps set on logs
across ditches - in all those acres of land what was
the point? Even if they killed one creature a day
there would still be hundreds not killed - how could
two vicious and nasty traps make any difference to
anything except the lives of the hapless few that
did get caught?

Unfortunately, I am sometimes a bit clumsy and I may
have

inadvertently

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

brushed against the snares and traps so that they will
have become not fully operable.

Slightly naive! Aren't we? I don't think you know, what
you are talking about IMO :-(

88000

Quoted message said:

By all means destroy them! But remember, walkers will
get the blame!

Not animal activists;-)

Roy Veevers

In message <[email hidden]>, Roy Veevers
<[email hidden]> writes

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Unfortunately, I am sometimes a bit clumsy and I may have
inadvertently brushed against the snares and traps so
that they will have become not fully operable.

Slightly naive! Aren't we? I don't think you know, what you
are talking about IMO :-(

If , you think that these traps are illegal in the UK,
telephone the local Police Constabulary and ask for their
"Wildlife Officer" And he/she will investigate.

By all means destroy them! But remember, walkers will get
the blame!

Not animal activists;-)

I'll add to your verdict of my naivety by saying I don't
care who gets blamed for sabotaging animal traps. Better
than being blamed for seeing deliberate and malicious
cruelty is being inflicted and doing nothing about it. I
really do not care what the entrepreneurial owners of
grouse moors think of me - it cannot be as low as what I
think of their activities and their hypocritical 'nature
reserve' signs.

--
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- 0% to go
228/89 Donalds - 64% to go 0/? Himalayans - 100% to go
229/1552 Marilyns - 73% to go

Martin Richardson said:

I'll add to your verdict of my naivety by saying I don't
care who gets blamed for sabotaging animal traps. Better
than being blamed for seeing deliberate and malicious
cruelty is being inflicted and doing nothing about it. I
really do not care what the entrepreneurial owners of
grouse moors think of me - it cannot be as low as what I
think of their activities and their hypocritical 'nature
reserve' signs.

I always destroy snares or other traps whenever I see them.
I'm not entirely sure about your experiences though - I
never heard of anyone finishing off a snared animal with a
gun, and I don't know what the plastic tube thing might be -
doesn't sound like a snare at all. Best wrecked anyway
though, just to be on the safe side!

--

Paul

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In article <[email hidden]>,

Martin Richardson said:

explaining how the NTS was trying to 'naturalise' the land
and hence justifying the need for a deer cull.

So what did he say when you suggested reintroducing native
predators like wolf and lynx?

--
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Get your backside up to Uist, £20 a hedgehog, and it didn't
say dead or alive. You could make a packet!

KRO

Paul Rooney said:

Martin Richardson said:

I'll add to your verdict of my naivety by saying I don't
care who gets blamed for sabotaging animal traps. Better
than being blamed for seeing deliberate and malicious
cruelty is being inflicted and doing nothing about it. I
really do not care what the entrepreneurial owners of
grouse moors think of me - it cannot be as low as what I
think of their activities and their hypocritical 'nature
reserve' signs.

I always destroy snares or other traps whenever I see them.
I'm not entirely sure about your experiences though - I
never heard of anyone finishing off a snared animal with a
gun, and I don't know what the plastic tube thing might be
- doesn't sound like a snare at all. Best wrecked anyway
though, just to be on the safe side!

Snares are legal if checked daily. They are used to catch
all sorts of animals and are supposed not to kill.
Without knowing the size I can only guess at what they
are trying to catch but there could be mink about. As for
carrying a gun to kill animals caught in snares could he
have been combining two activities, checking snares as he
went to shoot?

<from the original post>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Then, a fortnight later I was exploring grouse moors
somewhere in the Yorkshire Dales. Besides being somewhat
bemused by the dozens of small piles of calcium each
marked by an ugly length of white plastic tubing stuck
into the ground,

Calcium? Possibly to help the grouse lay better eggs, or
grit to help them digest their food. The plastic pipe
markers are to help the keeper find the piles to restock,
perhaps he needs to invest in a GPS.
--
Phil Cook looking north over the park to the
"Westminster Gasworks"

On Wed, 07 Apr 2004 11:54:35 +0100, Phil Cook
<[email hidden]> wrote:

<snip>

Quoted message said:

Calcium? Possibly to help the grouse lay better eggs, or
grit to help them digest their food. The plastic pipe
markers are to help the keeper find the piles to restock,
perhaps he needs to invest in a GPS.

What about these wire & twig things that Martin thought
might be aimed at their legs? That's a new one - I've only
seen noose and scissors type snares to kill, and box snares
to live-trap.

--

Paul

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Martin Richardson said:

The most pointless were the couple of really vicious snap
traps set on logs across ditches.

That is quite possibly illegal.

I can only find reference to spring traps being legal if set
in tunnels or burrows.

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"Westminster Gasworks"

Roy Veevers said:

"Martin Richardson" <[email hidden]> wrote in
message "]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Is it just me, or is there an increase in the number of
snares and traps left for animals?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Unfortunately, I am sometimes a bit clumsy and I may have
inadvertently brushed against the snares and traps so
that they will have become not fully operable.

Quoted message said:

Slightly naive! Aren't we? I don't think you know, what you
are talking about IMO :-(

Quoted message said:

If , you think that these traps are illegal in the UK,
telephone the local Police Constabulary and ask for their
"Wildlife Officer" And he/she will investigate.

Quoted message said:

By all means destroy them! But remember, walkers will get
the blame!

Provided of course that you are including four-footed
walkers.

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Please excuse my ignorance to the use of poisons, yes maybe
im wrong, maybe only half wrong but surly 10-20 seconds of
pain is better than hours of pain while the animals leg(s)
are in the ever tightening wire noose, slowly cutting ever
so deeper. maybe I have missed the point in regards to
poisons, and they do cause long painful deaths, if that is
the case, then I have learned something here today, but I
think my point on a sterilisation program has held up.

Paul

"Mark South" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

"Paul Blake" <[email hidden]> wrote in
message "]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

I can understand the need to cull from time to time, but
why use such barbaric methods, surly a dart loaded with
very quick acting poison

fired

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

from a gun would be more humane and efficient, or even a
much longer

term

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

sterilisation program, this would prevent any suffering.

Please don't think of mentioning "poison" and "humane" in
the same

sentence.

Quoted message said:

Some may be quick-acting, but they are not exactly humane,
with the animal dying in extreme agony.

Many of these poisons are non-biodegradable and remain in
the food chain. Scavengers such as birds of prey
accumulate them quite easily.

Also, traps with darts loaded with strychnine would pose a
pretty horrific hazard to humans, dogs, and other
legitimate recreational users of the outdoors.

The only humane poisons available are for rat control, and
are pretty much specific to rats. They only work well if
placed in rat feeding sites, normally indoors.

To repeat, *please* don't suggest poisons as a solution to
anything in the outdoors.

--
Mark South Citizen of the World, Denizen of the Net
<<Tiens! Ce poulet a une grenade!>

Paul Blake said:

"Mark South" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

"Paul Blake" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I can understand the need to cull from time to time,
but why use such barbaric methods, surly a dart loaded
with very quick acting poison

fired

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

from a gun would be more humane and efficient, or even
a much longer

term

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

sterilisation program, this would prevent any
suffering.

Please don't think of mentioning "poison" and "humane" in
the same

sentence.

Quoted message said:

Some may be quick-acting, but they are not exactly
humane, with the animal dying in extreme agony.

Quoted message said:

Please excuse my ignorance to the use of poisons, yes maybe
im wrong, maybe only half wrong but surly 10-20 seconds of
pain is better than hours of pain while the animals leg(s)
are in the ever tightening wire noose, slowly cutting ever
so deeper.

A noose type snare has to be free running in the UK so as
the animal struggles it won't get tighter and tighter. Free
running snares are designed to trap an animal not to kill
it directly.

Quoted message said:

maybe I have missed the point in regards to poisons, and
they do cause long painful deaths, if that is the case,
then I have learned something here today, but I think my
point on a sterilisation program has held up.

A sterilisation program means you have to catch the
animals first.
--
Phil Cook looking north over the park to the
"Westminster Gasworks"