Trans-Pennine v C2C?

"Peewiglet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I'm just at the Sustrans site looking at guides to the C2C and
trans-Pennine routes. I like the idea of doing the C2C and returning
via the Reivers route, but I'm a bit worried about encountering
headwinds. Am I less likely to encounter difficult winds if I do the
trans-Pennine route instead?

There may well be a previling wind but you can bet your bottom dollar that
it will transmogrify into a headwind
when you decide to ride. Headwinds can sap you of your energy if you are
trying to maintain a cracking pace.
If you are on a leisurely ride than they are not a problem. It's all in the
head. As for crossing further down, the
the wind will mostly be in the same direction. The C2C is more scenic. You
cross the pennines on both rides.

I'll be doing the W2W ride next weekend, have you considered that one?

Peewiglet said:

I'm just at the Sustrans site looking at guides to the C2C and
trans-Pennine routes. I like the idea of doing the C2C and returning
via the Reivers route, but I'm a bit worried about encountering
headwinds. Am I less likely to encounter difficult winds if I do the
trans-Pennine route instead?

Sorry if there's an obvious answer to this question, but I'm a bit
thick about this sort of thing.

I've done the Reivers followed by the C2C. Apart from cycling always
suffering from omnidirectional headwinds, if you do the Reivers westward
first you are more likely to get the headwind phase over first before
the return leg, its a less hilly route and the C2C is better done going
east IMO.

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Tony

"I did make a mistake once - I thought I'd made a mistake but I hadn't"
Anon

vernon said:

If you are on a leisurely ride than they are not a problem. It's all in the
head. As for crossing further down, the
the wind will mostly be in the same direction. The C2C is more scenic. You
cross the pennines on both rides.

Scenic sounds good...

Quoted message said:

I'll be doing the W2W ride next weekend, have you considered that one?

No: I'm not sure what W2W is. Um... what is it? :-) I'll go and look
it up. Thanks :-)

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On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 23:02:57 +0100, Tony Raven <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

I've done the Reivers followed by the C2C. Apart from cycling always
suffering from omnidirectional headwinds, if you do the Reivers westward
first you are more likely to get the headwind phase over first before
the return leg, its a less hilly route and the C2C is better done going
east IMO.

I like the idea of getting the headwind phase out of the way first,
but I'm based in the west and so had planned to go W-E first. Hmmm...
I'll take another look.

Thanks :-)

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On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 00:03:46 +0100, Peewiglet <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I'll be doing the W2W ride next weekend, have you considered that one?

No: I'm not sure what W2W is. Um... what is it? :-) I'll go and look
it up. Thanks :-)

Aha, I think I've found it: http://www.cyclingw2w.info/route.htm ?

Best wishes,
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I'm just at the Sustrans site looking at guides to the C2C and
trans-Pennine routes. I like the idea of doing the C2C and returning
via the Reivers route, but I'm a bit worried about encountering
headwinds. Am I less likely to encounter difficult winds if I do the
trans-Pennine route instead?

Sorry if there's an obvious answer to this question, but I'm a bit
thick about this sort of thing.

There's an obvious answer to this question. The island of Britain lies to
the east of the North Atlantic Ocean, over which the prevailing wind is
westerly. So it doesn't matter /where/ you cross Britain, west to east
is easier than east to west.

In the particular case of the C2C the gradients tend to favour east to
west as well...

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Quoted message said:

Aha, I think I've found it: http://www.cyclingw2w.info/route.htm ?

That's the one.

It looks like a very nice route. I'll be setting off on it next Fri evening
with a friend.
We aim to be finished Monday eve..doing it at a leisurely pace. I'll also
get to see
new bits of County Durham that i never got to see when I lived there.

Quoted message said:

I like the idea of getting the headwind phase out of the way first,
but I'm based in the west and so had planned to go W-E first. Hmmm...
I'll take another look.

I think that you are making too much of the headwind phase :-) You can
bet that no matter what you do, you will be confronted with an againsterly.
LEJOG is ridden bottom to top to take advantage of the prevailing winds
yet I've read accounts of the wind blowing in the 'wrong' direction for
almost the entire ride.

I'd use a long range wetaher forcast to decide which way round to do the
ride if it was a real concern. Otherwise I'd just set off from the nearest
point to home to minimise the logistical faff of getting started.

You could combine the Walney to Wear (W2W) with the C2C.

Vernon

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I like the idea of getting the headwind phase out of the way first,
but I'm based in the west and so had planned to go W-E first. Hmmm...
I'll take another look.

I think that you are making too much of the headwind phase :-) You can
bet that no matter what you do, you will be confronted with an
againsterly.
LEJOG is ridden bottom to top to take advantage of the prevailing winds
yet I've read accounts of the wind blowing in the 'wrong' direction for
almost the entire ride.

Agreed, I suspect thats because the 'prevailing' winds are prevailing when
looked at for the whole year. It would be interesting to know what they are
from, say May-June (when I would think the vast majority of E2Es are done.).
Maybe there isnt a particularily prevailing wind, if you read the accounts
there seems no bias in comments on headwind dependent upon direction. On
our E2E this June, JOGLE, so the 'wrong way', we had significant headwinds
on only 2 or 3 days out of 17.

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vernon said:

I think that you are making too much of the headwind phase :-) You can
bet that no matter what you do, you will be confronted with an againsterly.
LEJOG is ridden bottom to top to take advantage of the prevailing winds
yet I've read accounts of the wind blowing in the 'wrong' direction for
almost the entire ride.

Ok, thanks. I wasn't sure whether a headwind was likely to be a
permanent fixture on the E-W route. After my experience of trying to
get home from work in a dreadful headwind a couple of weeks ago, I
definitely wouldn't want to face that sort of thing for almost 200
miles!

Quoted message said:

I'd use a long range wetaher forcast to decide which way round to do the
ride if it was a real concern. Otherwise I'd just set off from the nearest
point to home to minimise the logistical faff of getting started.

You could combine the Walney to Wear (W2W) with the C2C.

I'll look into that: many thanks 🙂

Best wishes,
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Tumbleweed said:

Agreed, I suspect thats because the 'prevailing' winds are prevailing when
looked at for the whole year.

Thanks - that's reassuring. Maybe I'll just get on with it, then! 🙂

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Simon Brooke said:

Quoted message said:

I'm just at the Sustrans site looking at guides to the C2C and
trans-Pennine routes. I like the idea of doing the C2C and returning
via the Reivers route, but I'm a bit worried about encountering
headwinds. Am I less likely to encounter difficult winds if I do the
trans-Pennine route instead?

Sorry if there's an obvious answer to this question, but I'm a bit
thick about this sort of thing.

There's an obvious answer to this question. The island of Britain lies to
the east of the North Atlantic Ocean, over which the prevailing wind is
westerly. So it doesn't matter /where/ you cross Britain, west to east
is easier than east to west.

Oops... I'd assumed that the trans-Pennine route went South/North. I
suppose 'trans' should have been a bit of a clue...

Quoted message said:

In the particular case of the C2C the gradients tend to favour east to
west as well...

Thus making it easier to ride the C2C East to West, d'you mean?

Best wishes,
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Simon Brooke said:

Quoted message said:

I'm just at the Sustrans site looking at guides to the C2C and
trans-Pennine routes. I like the idea of doing the C2C and returning
via the Reivers route, but I'm a bit worried about encountering
headwinds. Am I less likely to encounter difficult winds if I do the
trans-Pennine route instead?

Sorry if there's an obvious answer to this question, but I'm a bit
thick about this sort of thing.

There's an obvious answer to this question. The island of Britain lies
to the east of the North Atlantic Ocean, over which the prevailing wind
is westerly. So it doesn't matter /where/ you cross Britain, west to
east is easier than east to west.

Oops... I'd assumed that the trans-Pennine route went South/North. I
suppose 'trans' should have been a bit of a clue...

Quoted message said:

In the particular case of the C2C the gradients tend to favour east to
west as well...

Thus making it easier to ride the C2C East to West, d'you mean?

Sorry, that was a George Bushism. I 'misspoke'. I meant, of course, west
to east.

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Simon Brooke said:

in message <[email hidden]>, Peewiglet

(') said:

Simon Brooke said:

> I'm just at the Sustrans site looking at guides to the C2C and
> trans-Pennine routes. I like the idea of doing the C2C and returning
> via the Reivers route, but I'm a bit worried about encountering
> headwinds. Am I less likely to encounter difficult winds if I do the
> trans-Pennine route instead?
>
> Sorry if there's an obvious answer to this question, but I'm a bit
> thick about this sort of thing.

There's an obvious answer to this question. The island of Britain lies
to the east of the North Atlantic Ocean, over which the prevailing wind
is westerly. So it doesn't matter /where/ you cross Britain, west to
east is easier than east to west.

Oops... I'd assumed that the trans-Pennine route went South/North. I
suppose 'trans' should have been a bit of a clue...

Quoted message said:

In the particular case of the C2C the gradients tend to favour east to
west as well...

Thus making it easier to ride the C2C East to West, d'you mean?

Sorry, that was a George Bushism. I 'misspoke'. I meant, of course, west
to east.

Phew - that's ok, then 🙂 Thanks 🙂

Best wishes,
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(**)PeeWiglet~~
/ \ / \ pee AT [guessthisbit].co.uk

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Quoted message said:

in message <[email hidden]>, Peewiglet

(') said:

I'm just at the Sustrans site looking at guides to the C2C and
trans-Pennine routes. I like the idea of doing the C2C and returning
via the Reivers route, but I'm a bit worried about encountering
headwinds. Am I less likely to encounter difficult winds if I do the
trans-Pennine route instead?

Sorry if there's an obvious answer to this question, but I'm a bit
thick about this sort of thing.

There's an obvious answer to this question. The island of Britain lies to
the east of the North Atlantic Ocean, over which the prevailing wind is
westerly. So it doesn't matter /where/ you cross Britain, west to east
is easier than east to west.

"is" easier???? Dont you mean, "is easier ...when the prevailing wind is in
that direction, but on other days when it isnt, its not". Prevailing wind
doesnt mean 'constantly blowing'. It might mean that its in a E direction
for 51% of the time. Or that its in a E direction for 2%, W for 1 % and not
windy at all the other 97%. Or maybe its always E direction *only* if there
is a R in the month, but he is going in June??

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Quoted message said:

in message <[email hidden]>, Peewiglet

(') said:

I'm just at the Sustrans site looking at guides to the C2C and
trans-Pennine routes. I like the idea of doing the C2C and returning
via the Reivers route, but I'm a bit worried about encountering
headwinds. Am I less likely to encounter difficult winds if I do the
trans-Pennine route instead?

Sorry if there's an obvious answer to this question, but I'm a bit
thick about this sort of thing.

There's an obvious answer to this question. The island of Britain lies
to the east of the North Atlantic Ocean, over which the prevailing
wind is westerly. So it doesn't matter /where/ you cross Britain, west
to east is easier than east to west.

"is" easier???? Dont you mean, "is easier ...when the prevailing wind
is in that direction, but on other days when it isnt, its not".

The prevailing wind in Britain is /always/ westerly. Every single day of
every year. That's what 'prevailing' means. The actual local wind on any
given day may not be, but there are only a few exceptional places in
Britain where on average westerly winds aren't considerably more
frequent than any other direction.

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Simon Brooke said:

The prevailing wind in Britain is /always/ westerly. Every single day of
every year. That's what 'prevailing' means.

South westerly akshually

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(') said:

Simon Brooke said:

The prevailing wind in Britain is /always/ westerly. Every single day
of every year. That's what 'prevailing' means.

South westerly akshually

True.

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in message <[email hidden]>, Peewiglet
([email hidden]'😉 wrote:

> I'm just at the Sustrans site looking at guides to the C2C and
> trans-Pennine routes. I like the idea of doing the C2C and returning
> via the Reivers route, but I'm a bit worried about encountering
> headwinds. Am I less likely to encounter difficult winds if I do the
> trans-Pennine route instead?
>
> Sorry if there's an obvious answer to this question, but I'm a bit
> thick about this sort of thing.

There's an obvious answer to this question. The island of Britain lies
to the east of the North Atlantic Ocean, over which the prevailing
wind is westerly. So it doesn't matter /where/ you cross Britain, west
to east is easier than east to west.

"is" easier???? Dont you mean, "is easier ...when the prevailing wind
is in that direction, but on other days when it isnt, its not".

The prevailing wind in Britain is /always/ westerly. Every single day of
every year. That's what 'prevailing' means. The actual local wind on any
given day may not be, but there are only a few exceptional places in
Britain where on average westerly winds aren't considerably more
frequent than any other direction.

Simon, in what way does that invalidate what I wrote, which points out what
you then state, that
'the actual local wind on any given day may not be Westerly". Exactly.

For some reason many people seem to act as if prevailing means 'constant',
hence perhaps ?your? comments above that west to to east *is* easier. It
might be *more likely* to be easier, but if the winds are not the prevailing
ones on those given days, it will be harder.

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