training to failure

BobPit said:

Up to very recently I was always training to failure. Negative reps, drop
sets, forced reps etc. Almost at every set of every exercise. But recently
I read many articles that this is not good. So I am going to change my work
out.

BUT
I remember at "Designing Resistence Training Programs" by Fleck & Kraemer
that it says (page 6):
"Voluntary maximal mascular actions appear to be the most affective way to
increase muscular strength".

"Voluntary maximal mascular actions" means: The muscle must move with as
much resistence as its present fatigue level will allow. "The last
repetition in a set to momentary concentric failure is thus a voluntary
maximal muscular action".

So should I train to failure or not?

Bob

I don't.

I figure that as long as I'm getting stronger life is good.

Bob,
I would say yes and no to your question. In my experience I use
these things sometimes to mix things up and sometimes if I feel I am on
a plateau. I wouldn't want to do them every workout and definitely not
every set. If you really love training to failure I would at least
only do it on the last set of an exercise (to finish yourself off). I
would reduce training to failure to reduce the chance of overtraining
and burnout. It might seem silly but I also enjoy ending sets with the
satisfaction of hitting a number that I was shooting for, training to
failure always ends the set with failure. I choose a difficult number
that is near 100% effort anyway. These are my opinions, if you really
love to do it and continue to see results then to each his own.

Good luck,
James

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Quoted message said:

Up to very recently I was always training to failure. Negative reps,
drop sets, forced reps etc. Almost at every set of every exercise.
But recently I read many articles that this is not good. So I am
going to change my work out.

BUT
I remember at "Designing Resistence Training Programs" by Fleck &
Kraemer that it says (page 6):
"Voluntary maximal mascular actions appear to be the most affective
way to increase muscular strength".

"Voluntary maximal mascular actions" means: The muscle must move with
as much resistence as its present fatigue level will allow. "The last
repetition in a set to momentary concentric failure is thus a
voluntary maximal muscular action".

So should I train to failure or not?

Less talk, more lifting. You can find a book, and a corresponding
Usenet opinion, complete with citations of peer-reviewed studies, to
support any and all approaches to training.

Lift, already - pick a plan, start practicing it, and report back in a
few weeks with problems if you have any. Correct as necessary, but pick
a goal and pursue it for at least a few months before trying again to
understand everything there is to understand about lifting weights.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

BobPit said:

So should I train to failure or not?

Like Steve Freides said "You can find a book, and a corresponding
Usenet opinion, complete with citations of peer-reviewed studies, to
support any and all approaches to training."

I agree. So eventually after all the reading you have to use your own
common sense and personal experience. Most things I've read say "don't
train to failure." I rarely do and if so it's only on the last set.

And in my experience I've had excellent gains so that's that.

zoo

Steve Freides said:

"BobPit" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Up to very recently I was always training to failure. Negative reps,
drop sets, forced reps etc. Almost at every set of every exercise.
But recently I read many articles that this is not good. So I am
going to change my work out.

BUT
I remember at "Designing Resistence Training Programs" by Fleck &
Kraemer that it says (page 6):
"Voluntary maximal mascular actions appear to be the most affective
way to increase muscular strength".

"Voluntary maximal mascular actions" means: The muscle must move with
as much resistence as its present fatigue level will allow. "The last
repetition in a set to momentary concentric failure is thus a
voluntary maximal muscular action".

So should I train to failure or not?

Less talk, more lifting. You can find a book, and a corresponding
Usenet opinion, complete with citations of peer-reviewed studies, to
support any and all approaches to training.

That's what makes this such a fun topic 🙂.

Quoted message said:

Lift, already - pick a plan, start practicing it, and report back in
a few weeks with problems if you have any. Correct as necessary,
but pick a goal and pursue it for at least a few months before
trying again to understand everything there is to understand about
lifting weights.

And don't forget to write stuff down. The more information you track
the better chance you have of finding out what works for you.

Jason

Steve Freides said:

"BobPit" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Up to very recently I was always training to failure. Negative reps,
drop sets, forced reps etc. Almost at every set of every exercise.
But recently I read many articles that this is not good. So I am
going to change my work out.

BUT
I remember at "Designing Resistence Training Programs" by Fleck &
Kraemer that it says (page 6):
"Voluntary maximal mascular actions appear to be the most affective
way to increase muscular strength".

"Voluntary maximal mascular actions" means: The muscle must move with
as much resistence as its present fatigue level will allow. "The last
repetition in a set to momentary concentric failure is thus a
voluntary maximal muscular action".

So should I train to failure or not?

Less talk, more lifting. You can find a book, and a corresponding
Usenet opinion, complete with citations of peer-reviewed studies, to
support any and all approaches to training.

That's what makes this such a fun topic 🙂.

Quoted message said:

Lift, already - pick a plan, start practicing it, and report back in
a few weeks with problems if you have any. Correct as necessary,
but pick a goal and pursue it for at least a few months before
trying again to understand everything there is to understand about
lifting weights.

And don't forget to write stuff down. The more information you track
the better chance you have of finding out what works for you.

Jason