Training Question - Novice Runner

Quoted message said:

Basically, the purpose of this message is to have someone elvaluate the
next level of my training programme...

All i will be doing is swapping my cycling for a 6 mile run (jump rope
every two days), still have the 6 mile run in the evening, and the
weight training every 2 days, and have a weekly 'long run' which will
increase by 2 miles each week.

I'll bet the jumping rope did your knee in. We shall see...

TBR
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
"Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."

Yeah you might be right actually....but cycling has alot of bending at
the knee....ill cut both down and see how it goes....ive increase both
in the last 2 weeks so its impossible to tell at the moment.

By the way, im a 19 year male uni student so have plenty of time to
train.....what is a respectable time for a novice runner to complete a
half marathon....so i can have something to work towards.

Chris

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Back in april i decided to quite smoking, and start running too lose
weight. I was a pretty heavy smoker....the turning point being coughing
up bloody mucus, and then being sent for a chest xray to rule out any
possibility of lung cancer.

This was 5 months ago. Since then, i have been building my mileage up.
This is my training schedule at the moment......45 mins of cycling,
rollowed by 15 mins of jump rope every morning to burn fat....and in
the evening a 6 mile run every day, which includes a pretty steep 150
metre (approx) hill which u go up three times (Its more like 6 and a
half miles)....while weight training 4 days a week (including sit upts
etc).

Yesterday i started my marathon training with my first weekly 'long
run' which was 10 miles long. This took me 1 hour 15/20 mins (Not
entirely sure what time i left the house, and i stopped for a [censored]
twice....so not sure on exact time).

However, i had a very slightly sore knee at the start, which did go
away after the warm up phase (i think this may be due to the cycling
element of my training) so iam planning on cutting this out.

Basically, the purpose of this message is to have someone elvaluate the
next level of my training programme...

All i will be doing is swapping my cycling for a 6 mile run (jump rope
every two days), still have the 6 mile run in the evening, and the
weight training every 2 days, and have a weekly 'long run' which will
increase by 2 miles each week.

Does this sound like it will help me out?

Chris

Could the downhill running, or your running speed be part of your knee
problem? I have a knee with slight torn cartilage (possibly-I got 2
different opinions) and its never bothered me even in 50-60 mile bike
rides. But if I run too hard/fast and extend too far it will start to
hurt quickly. If I slow down and dont overextend its fine. BTW, April
was barely 4 months ago, you are only 19, take your time.

The Bill Rodgers said:

Quoted message said:

I am a long-time competitive cyclist. Of the activities you mentioned,
cycling is the least likely to hurt your knees

Bull! Cycling is nasty on my knees.

Let me clarify. By "your" I implied "the average person". Of the three
activites listed by the OP, those least likely to cause knee injury to
the average person, assuming sound training practices are followed in
all three activities, are, in order: cycling, then running, then
jumping rope. YMMV as an individual, including the OP.

Would you disagree or agree with that statement?

Assumin that *you* have a proper fitting bike, that you use a high
cadence, and that you're not doing interval training on a bike, perhaps
your problem may relate to particular knee issues, or may have to do
with your long-term development and conditioning of muscles, tendons,
and ligaments particular to running?

Quoted message said:

Let me clarify. By "your" I implied "the average person". Of the three
activites listed by the OP, those least likely to cause knee injury to
the average person, assuming sound training practices are followed in
all three activities, are, in order: cycling, then running, then
jumping rope. YMMV as an individual, including the OP.

Would you disagree or agree with that statement?

Disagree. Cycling is NASTY on the back, and knees.

TBR
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
"Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."

Quoted message said:

Disagree. Cycling is NASTY on the back, and knees.

Hence the term, "biker's knee"...wait, or is that "runner's knee"?

Quoted message said:

Hence the term, "biker's knee"...wait, or is that "runner's knee"?

Bikers knee is correct. When you have say, 6 billion runners vs a
couple million bikers, of course they'll coin phrases involving
runners more than bikers.

TBR
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
"Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."

The problem w/ Mr. Multiple isn't his knees, in this case; it's an overall
letdown from the cycling experience.
Might I suggest removing the seat altogether and putting liberal amounts of
vaseline on the post. Might also want to file off some of the sharp edges.
Talk about endorphins.... may even reduce his meds, which don't appear to
be too swift to begin with.
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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Disagree. Cycling is NASTY on the back, and knees.

Hence the term, "biker's knee"...wait, or is that "runner's knee"?

I would think rope jumping less of a knee issue than running--assuming that
most running/jogging is heel-strike, and most rope jumping is toes/balls of
feet. Also, in jr, mostly there is very little vertical lift, and the knees
are bent, therefore lower impact.
Cycling is sort of different, in that the range-of-motion is much wider.
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Quoted message said:

The Bill Rodgers said:

Quoted message said:

I am a long-time competitive cyclist. Of the activities you mentioned,
cycling is the least likely to hurt your knees

Bull! Cycling is nasty on my knees.

Let me clarify. By "your" I implied "the average person". Of the three
activites listed by the OP, those least likely to cause knee injury to
the average person, assuming sound training practices are followed in
all three activities, are, in order: cycling, then running, then
jumping rope. YMMV as an individual, including the OP.

Would you disagree or agree with that statement?

Assumin that *you* have a proper fitting bike, that you use a high
cadence, and that you're not doing interval training on a bike, perhaps
your problem may relate to particular knee issues, or may have to do
with your long-term development and conditioning of muscles, tendons,
and ligaments particular to running?

The Bill Rodgers said:

Quoted message said:

Let me clarify. By "your" I implied "the average person". Of the three
activites listed by the OP, those least likely to cause knee injury to
the average person, assuming sound training practices are followed in
all three activities, are, in order: cycling, then running, then
jumping rope. YMMV as an individual, including the OP.

Would you disagree or agree with that statement?

Disagree. Cycling is NASTY on the back, and knees.

That's news to me. 200-225 miles/week biking and 20-25 miles/week running have no bad effect on my 44 year old knees. My knees start bothering me when it gets cold out and I start decreasing my biking mileage and increase my running.

Test: Of the following activities, which is commonly prescribed for
knee rehabilitation in conjunction with weight/strength training:

a. running
b. jumping rope
c. cycling

On Sun, 07 Aug 2005 10:04:35 GMT, chuck <[email hidden]>

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That's news to me. 200-225 miles/week biking and 20-25 miles/week running have no bad effect on my 44 year old knees.

Oh well there ya go! It must be a fact then... idiot.

TBR
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
"Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."

Quoted message said:

a. running
b. jumping rope
c. cycling

By who? An MD who doesn't know [censored]? I had cycling recommended to
rehab my bad knee, and it got CONTINUALLY WORSE until I stopped
cycling.

TBR
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
"Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."

The Bill Rodgers said:

Quoted message said:

a. running
b. jumping rope
c. cycling

By who? An MD who doesn't know [censored]?

Or by a runner of similar disposition ;-)

Quoted message said:

I had cycling recommended to
rehab my bad knee, and it got CONTINUALLY WORSE until I stopped
cycling.

I suspect it had something to do with bike setup--WD40 should never be
used on a recumbant! Seriously, it could have had something to do with
your conditioning to handle the pounding that running delivers, but not
the range of motion cycling generates (I have the exact opposite
problem). What happened to your knee that it required rehab in the
first place (just curious)?

Quoted message said:

What happened to your knee that it required rehab in the
first place (just curious)?

Torn discus, stretched ligaments, broken in 5 places, 800 stitches.

TBR
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
"Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."

The Bill Rodgers said:

On 7 Aug 2005 09:26:57 -0700, [email hidden] wrote:

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Torn discus, stretched ligaments, broken in 5 places, 800 stitches.

OMG! That's a lot of stitches. OUUUUUCCCCHHHH!

I think that was your problem. An injury like that would require
medical treatment to fix, not just cycling.

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I think that was your problem. An injury like that would require
medical treatment to fix, not just cycling.

You mean... I should've gone to a Dr when I did that????

TBR
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
"Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."

<[email hidden]> wrote in message
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: The Bill Rodgers wrote:
: > On 7 Aug 2005 09:26:57 -0700, [email hidden] wrote:
:
: > Torn discus, stretched ligaments, broken in 5 places, 800 stitches.
:
: OMG! That's a lot of stitches. OUUUUUCCCCHHHH!
:
: I think that was your problem. An injury like that would require
: medical treatment to fix, not just cycling.
:
While I appreciate your willingness to engage BillR, the truth is that he is
a troller who loves Chiros and hates Doctors. Sometimes it pays not to feed
the trolls.

Everything you've said is spot-on. I run and bike and biking is, by far-
the easier of the two on the knees. The whole body, really.

The Bill Rodgers said:

On Sun, 07 Aug 2005 10:04:35 GMT, chuck <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

That's news to me. 200-225 miles/week biking and 20-25 miles/week running have no bad effect on my 44 year old knees.

Oh well there ya go! It must be a fact then... idiot.

I'm not the idiot that doesn't know how to set a sigfile delimiter. Plus,
I'm not the idiot who can't manage riding a bike without getting hurt. I
can't help it that you're too stupid to ride a bike correctly, and assume
most other people are as stupid as you. *plonk* you idiot.

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TBR
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
"Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."