Training Assistance

Another post on the "grape method" I see.

My guess is you are full of [censored]. If you are really as good as you
claim you know where to go and you have people around you already who
can "help you out" and at least point you in the right direction. So
I'm going to guess you are just posting to get a reaction out of
people.

However if you are serious; don't play around and ask for advice from
people on this bloody thing. Most of the people here are sunday
racers at best who's biggest concern is wether their clothing matches
their bike.
If you are serious then go someone who knows what they are doing. It
will cost you money and will probably get you nowhere if your dealine
is September.

You seem to make a lot of excuses.. pros get this, pros get that..
pros push me out the way. Well yes, that's crit racing. It's nothing
but pushing and shuving.. and I understand it you don't even have the
crit mafias in the US, so count yourself lucky.

However... if you really want to make it you should think about
spending a season or 2 in europe. You can get a spot on an "amateur"
team who will pay you a small salary and pay for your housing, food
etc etc, plus will be a good set-up with team bikes, cars, support and
a solid calendar. From there you can either hope to turn towards pro
teams, or head back to talk to the US conti and pro teams with a
little international experience under your belt.

If that were to interest you, once again if you are as good as you say
you will know people around you who can sent you over to Europe to a
team. If not, contact me and we'll talk.

Quoted message said:

I am a 23 year old category 1 cyclist seeking some assistance.

I made an agreement with my parents that unless I get a professional
contract I'll start college in September. They've been very
supportive of my trying to make it but I understand and respect their
patience running out. This summer will be my last chance to catch the
eye of one of the domestic teams and I know that is only going to
occur with results in the bigger NRC races.

I know I have enough talent and I know my training is solid. I train
harder than anyone that I know and train all year around in all kinds
of weather which is not always the easiesy thing to do in the rain and
snow. I did 900 hours last year in both racing and training.

In the local races I can pretty much ride away from everyone on the
climbs and I time trail better than almost everyone except some of the
professional triathletes and time trail specialists around here. I've
had two different coaches who have been very helpful and I've read
just about everything that I can get my hands on. Training and mental
toughness are not the problems.

The problem is that when I go to the bigger races I am in an unfair
situation. I can only get to a handful of the bigger NRC races that I
have a chance in. I'm not much of a criterium racer and even when I
find a criterium course with a hill, there is no way to beat the
bigger teams. The few times I've tried to get to the front in the
final laps, I get shoved out of the line. And I don't mean I can't
hold my position, I mean literally the professional riders have no
respect because I'm not a pro and actually shove me out of the way.
One time a guy spit on my when I shoved back. Its total [censored].

So my real chance is in the hilly road races and the couple of stage
races that I can afford to go to. I've done well in a handful of
these races and that's given my a lot of hope and confidence. But I
seem to be stuck, just outside of being able to make the final
selection. My disadvantage is that the guys who consistantly finish
ahead of me have all the support and get to do all these races all the
time. They also don't have the pressure of having to perform because
they're just going to being doing another big stage race next weekend
anyway. I also suspect most of them get 'help' when they need is from
doctors or whatever.

Which brings me to the point of this post. And I'll be blunt about
it. I need someone to help me ...man its tough to even write it, but
whatever....I need someone to help me dope. And before a bunch of you
start giving me [censored], save your breath....I've already thought this
through and I'm not interested in you telling me this is wrong. I
know its mostly wrong and once I get a result and get noticed I'm not
going to be dumb enough to keep doing it. All I need is a break to get
me over the hump for the few stage races I'm doing. I'm also committed
to giving any prize money that I win to USA Cycling's Junior
Devleopment program so I'm not doing this to make money on the deal.

Anyway, I don't want to be stupid about this and I don't want to hurt
myself. I've read as much as I can and I have a general idea, but I
would feel much better about if someone who knows what they're doing
can let me know. I thought about going to my doctor, but this isn't
something that I'd feel comfortable talking with him about, plus I'm
sure that the medical application of these items is different the
their use for recovery. I'd rather have some real world experience.

My only condition is that I want to start anonymous. ON BOTH SIDES. I
don't want to know who you are and I am not telling you who I am. I
want to get this done and over with and then that's it and I think its
safer for everyone if it stays impersonal. I'd be willing to pay some
money for the advice, but I'm really limited with funds since my only
support for my training is my parents, so some understanding will be
appreciated.

Please contact me at either this address or my yahoo address
[email hidden]

PS Please serious emails only, this is my health so I don't need any
hoaxes plus I would know enough to be able to tell a hoax anyway so
save your time.

Quoted message said:

I know I have enough talent and I know my training is solid. I train
harder than anyone that I know and train all year around in all kinds
of weather which is not always the easiesy thing to do in the rain and
snow. I did 900 hours last year in both racing and training.

http://www.biketechreview.com/op_ed/stripped_down.htm

Dan

Quoted message said:

I am a 23 year old category 1 cyclist seeking some assistance.

I made an agreement with my parents that unless I get a professional
contract I'll start college in September. They've been very
supportive of my trying to make it but I understand and respect their
patience running out. This summer will be my last chance to catch the
eye of one of the domestic teams and I know that is only going to
occur with results in the bigger NRC races.

I know I have enough talent and I know my training is solid. I train
harder than anyone that I know and train all year around in all kinds
of weather which is not always the easiesy thing to do in the rain and
snow. I did 900 hours last year in both racing and training.

In the local races I can pretty much ride away from everyone on the
climbs and I time trail better than almost everyone except some of the
professional triathletes and time trail specialists around here. I've
had two different coaches who have been very helpful and I've read
just about everything that I can get my hands on. Training and mental
toughness are not the problems.

The problem is that when I go to the bigger races I am in an unfair
situation. I can only get to a handful of the bigger NRC races that I
have a chance in. I'm not much of a criterium racer and even when I
find a criterium course with a hill, there is no way to beat the
bigger teams. The few times I've tried to get to the front in the
final laps, I get shoved out of the line. And I don't mean I can't
hold my position, I mean literally the professional riders have no
respect because I'm not a pro and actually shove me out of the way.
One time a guy spit on my when I shoved back. Its total [censored].

So my real chance is in the hilly road races and the couple of stage
races that I can afford to go to. I've done well in a handful of
these races and that's given my a lot of hope and confidence. But I
seem to be stuck, just outside of being able to make the final
selection. My disadvantage is that the guys who consistantly finish
ahead of me have all the support and get to do all these races all the
time. They also don't have the pressure of having to perform because
they're just going to being doing another big stage race next weekend
anyway. I also suspect most of them get 'help' when they need is from
doctors or whatever.

Which brings me to the point of this post. And I'll be blunt about
it. I need someone to help me ...man its tough to even write it, but
whatever....I need someone to help me dope. And before a bunch of you
start giving me [censored], save your breath....I've already thought this
through and I'm not interested in you telling me this is wrong. I
know its mostly wrong and once I get a result and get noticed I'm not
going to be dumb enough to keep doing it. All I need is a break to get
me over the hump for the few stage races I'm doing. I'm also committed
to giving any prize money that I win to USA Cycling's Junior
Devleopment program so I'm not doing this to make money on the deal.

Anyway, I don't want to be stupid about this and I don't want to hurt
myself. I've read as much as I can and I have a general idea, but I
would feel much better about if someone who knows what they're doing
can let me know. I thought about going to my doctor, but this isn't
something that I'd feel comfortable talking with him about, plus I'm
sure that the medical application of these items is different the
their use for recovery. I'd rather have some real world experience.

My only condition is that I want to start anonymous. ON BOTH SIDES. I
don't want to know who you are and I am not telling you who I am. I
want to get this done and over with and then that's it and I think its
safer for everyone if it stays impersonal. I'd be willing to pay some
money for the advice, but I'm really limited with funds since my only
support for my training is my parents, so some understanding will be
appreciated.

Please contact me at either this address or my yahoo address
[email hidden]

PS Please serious emails only, this is my health so I don't need any
hoaxes plus I would know enough to be able to tell a hoax anyway so
save your time.

Sounds like a bogus request to me.

Maybe there is a grain of truth in there, so here is my 2 cents:

Doping won't get you anywhere. You need a lot more than just a high
VO2max to make it.

You can always go to college later. Focus on cycling now, school
later. Much later. Don't even think about it now, you're only 23.

Move to Europe. Just go and find a club/shop/team and if you are that
good they will know how to set you up.

Joseph

DepartFictif said:

Another post on the "grape method" I see.

My guess is you are full of [censored]. If you are really as good as you
claim you know where to go and you have people around you already who
can "help you out" and at least point you in the right direction. So
I'm going to guess you are just posting to get a reaction out of
people.

However if you are serious; don't play around and ask for advice from
people on this bloody thing. Most of the people here are sunday
racers at best who's biggest concern is wether their clothing matches
their bike.
If you are serious then go someone who knows what they are doing. It
will cost you money and will probably get you nowhere if your dealine
is September.

What you say is partly true, because this is actually quite a good
place if you are wondering
about the actual merits of higher education. As you say, I am a very
weak bike racer, but
I think I know quite a bit about the benefits of a college education.

In particular, during the many years I got to know Stanford collegiate
racers, I can say without a doubt
that most learned more from the cycling coach than from any of their
academic professors. For most of the
good riders, their years with the cycling team will be the only thing
of actual meaning during their years
at university. It is probably the case that finding a good cycling
team will result in a similar experience.
As for useless university experiences, it is my opinion that most of
the doctorates written by
Stanford cycling team members were uninteresting
and were never followed up with a meaningful research career, that is,
not a single publication.
As far as I'm concerned, the Cat I and II riders
should not have wasted their time on useless Ph.D.'s and tried to see
how far they could go in bike racing. Almost
none of them did that, because they were brought up in an environment
where having a Ph.D. was necessary
if you wanted respect from your parents (or from yourself).
In the end, it is better to follow one's destiny to its end, to see
where one can go, and be among the very best,
than do something meaningless and not fulfilling that tens of
thousands can do better than you

-ilan.

Quoted message said:

Which brings me to the point of this post. And I'll be blunt about
it. I need someone to help me ...man its tough to even write it, but
whatever....I need someone to help me dope.

I suppose you first used this learning method by posting to alt.toilet-
paper.3-ply
to learn how to wipe your butt.

-ilan

Quoted message said:

My only condition is that I want to start anonymous. ON BOTH SIDES. I
don't want to know who you are and I am not telling you who I am. I
want to get this done and over with and then that's it and I think its
safer for everyone if it stays impersonal. I'd be willing to pay some
money for the advice, but I'm really limited with funds since my only
support for my training is my parents, so some understanding will be
appreciated.

Please contact me at either this address or my yahoo address
[email hidden]

PS Please serious emails only, this is my health so I don't need any
hoaxes plus I would know enough to be able to tell a hoax anyway so
save your time.

Your name wouldn't be 'Matt', would it? Just curious.

Bob Schwartz

Bob Schwartz said:

Your name wouldn't be 'Matt', would it? Just curious.

I thought it was Pete Armitage. Whoops -- he's over 23.

Dan

In article <[email hidden]>,

ilan said:

DepartFictif said:

Another post on the "grape method" I see.

My guess is you are full of [censored]. If you are really as good as you
claim you know where to go and you have people around you already who
can "help you out" and at least point you in the right direction. So
I'm going to guess you are just posting to get a reaction out of
people.

However if you are serious; don't play around and ask for advice from
people on this bloody thing. Most of the people here are sunday
racers at best who's biggest concern is wether their clothing matches
their bike.
If you are serious then go someone who knows what they are doing. It
will cost you money and will probably get you nowhere if your dealine
is September.

What you say is partly true, because this is actually quite a good
place if you are wondering
about the actual merits of higher education. As you say, I am a very
weak bike racer, but
I think I know quite a bit about the benefits of a college education.

In particular, during the many years I got to know Stanford collegiate
racers, I can say without a doubt
that most learned more from the cycling coach than from any of their
academic professors.

Quoted message said:

As far as I'm concerned, the Cat I and II riders
should not have wasted their time on useless Ph.D.'s and tried to see
how far they could go in bike racing.

Quoted message said:

In the end, it is better to follow one's destiny to its end, to see
where one can go, and be among the very best,
than do something meaningless and not fulfilling that tens of
thousands can do better than you

Interesting perspective. I've always thought that a lot more young
people went full-bore into athletic pursuits when they would have been
better off chasing a different dream.

But then again, my brother-in-law pursued his dream of playing pro
hockey all the way to the end (playing AA pro hockey in a variety of
places), and then he co-founded a hockey school business.

After a couple of years of high-intensity effort, he now makes
substantially more than I do. Somewhere in there he also finished a
Bachelor's degree.

I'm inclined to tell our aspirant doper here to listen to his parents,
but my brother-in-law is proof that you can return to school after your
sporting days, and of course it's a truism that you only get one shot at
athletic glory.

Oh, and to the OP: the official advice of RBR is to LIVEDRUNK and take
kenacort. This should give you an idea of the general level of advice
available here.

--
Ryan Cousineau [email hidden] http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos

Where can I get EPO? Most patients get EPO at their dialysis unit.

http://www.kidney.org/atoz/atozItem.cfm?id=60

Quoted message said:

Which brings me to the point of this post. And I'll be blunt about
it. I need someone to help me ...man its tough to even write it, but
whatever....I need someone to help me dope.

http://www.dialysispatients.org/pdf/EPOLetterTemplate.pdf

Quoted message said:

Which brings me to the point of this post. And I'll be blunt about
it. I need someone to help me ...man its tough to even write it, but
whatever....I need someone to help me dope.

http://www.steroid.com/muscle.php

Quoted message said:

http://www.steroidsexpress.com/

Quoted message said:

ilan said:

As for useless university experiences, it is my opinion that most of
the doctorates written by
Stanford cycling team members were uninteresting
and were never followed up with a meaningful research career, that is,
not a single publication.

dumbass,

the degree, or the job it leads to is the meaningful result. i was
bemused by ryan's notion in the erdos thread that research was for the
benefit of mankind, when anyone in academia knows that most papers are
written for the benefit of the author.

Quoted message said:

As far as I'm concerned, the Cat I and II riders
should not have wasted their time on useless Ph.D.'s and tried to see
how far they could go in bike racing.

having a PhD is like being a Cat 1 in academics, you are still very
far from the protour.

ilan said:

In the end, it is better to follow one's destiny to its end, to see
where one can go, and be among the very best,
than do something meaningless and not fulfilling that tens of
thousands can do better than you

Indeed. Particularly when the first is age dependent, the second is
not.

You can always persue a pointless PhD after you find out you don't
have what it takes to be a pro athlete. Much harder to try to become a
pro athlete after you have wasted time on a pointless PhD.

Joseph

Ryan Cousineau said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

ilan said:

DepartFictif said:

Another post on the "grape method" I see.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

My guess is you are full of [censored]. If you are really as good as you
claim you know where to go and you have people around you already who
can "help you out" and at least point you in the right direction. So
I'm going to guess you are just posting to get a reaction out of
people.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

However if you are serious; don't play around and ask for advice from
people on this bloody thing. Most of the people here are sunday
racers at best who's biggest concern is wether their clothing matches
their bike.
If you are serious then go someone who knows what they are doing. It
will cost you money and will probably get you nowhere if your dealine
is September.

Quoted message said:

What you say is partly true, because this is actually quite a good
place if you are wondering
about the actual merits of higher education. As you say, I am a very
weak bike racer, but
I think I know quite a bit about the benefits of a college education.

Quoted message said:

In particular, during the many years I got to know Stanford collegiate
racers, I can say without a doubt
that most learned more from the cycling coach than from any of their
academic professors.
As far as I'm concerned, the Cat I and II riders
should not have wasted their time on useless Ph.D.'s and tried to see
how far they could go in bike racing.
In the end, it is better to follow one's destiny to its end, to see
where one can go, and be among the very best,
than do something meaningless and not fulfilling that tens of
thousands can do better than youInteresting perspective. I've always thought that a lot more young

people went full-bore into athletic pursuits when they would have been
better off chasing a different dream.

But then again, my brother-in-law pursued his dream of playing pro
hockey all the way to the end (playing AA pro hockey in a variety of
places), and then he co-founded a hockey school business.

After a couple of years of high-intensity effort, he now makes
substantially more than I do. Somewhere in there he also finished a
Bachelor's degree.

I'm inclined to tell our aspirant doper here to listen to his parents,
but my brother-in-law is proof that you can return to school after your
sporting days, and of course it's a truism that you only get one shot at
athletic glory.

Suppose your brother-in-law never made it as a pro player? It still
would have been worth a shot. What's a couple of years wasted when you
are young and stupid? He probably got more out of his college
education as a mature adult than he would have had he bagged the
hockey early.

Joseph

On Jan 30, 12:35 am, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

ilan said:

As far as I'm concerned, the Cat I and II riders
should not have wasted their time on useless Ph.D.'s and tried to see
how far they could go in bike racing.

having a PhD is like being a Cat 1 in academics, you are still very
far from the protour.

Also, the PhD's on elite academic teams that can afford
to travel to all the best conferences and pay for a good
doping program will push and spit on you in the final lap.

Ben
If I have seen far, it is by standing on
the necks of colleagues.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Quoted post said:

On Jan 30, 12:35 am, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

ilan said:

As far as I'm concerned, the Cat I and II riders
should not have wasted their time on useless Ph.D.'s and tried to see
how far they could go in bike racing.

having a PhD is like being a Cat 1 in academics, you are still very
far from the protour.

Also, the PhD's on elite academic teams that can afford
to travel to all the best conferences and pay for a good
doping program will push and spit on you in the final lap.

Ben
If I have seen far, it is by standing on
the necks of colleagues.

Better that than riding over their necks, I suppose.

--
tanx,
Howard

Never take a tenant with a monkey.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

amit said:

Quoted message said:

having a PhD is like being a Cat 1 in academics, you are still very
far from the protour.

Quoted message said:

Also, the PhD's on elite academic teams that can afford
to travel to all the best conferences and pay for a good
doping program will push and spit on you in the final lap.

Ah for the good old days when mathematicians only did stimulants.

Donald Munro said:

amit said:

Quoted message said:

having a PhD is like being a Cat 1 in academics, you are still very
far from the protour.

Quoted message said:

Also, the PhD's on elite academic teams that can afford
to travel to all the best conferences and pay for a good
doping program will push and spit on you in the final lap.Ah for the good old days when mathematicians only did stimulants.

dumbass,

there's a drug available that will make your [censored] smell nice. that
would be the best doping for academia.