Training advice needed

chris said:

Yeah, that's what he needs; some chowda'head from the local gym. Aren't those the same boneheads
that tell you to wear a rubber suit to lose weight?

The one at the gym I go to is certain I'd ride better if I added 3 inches to my chest
measurements and I don't remember how much to to my neck. But he says my legs are "built" so I
shouldn't work on them.

He DOES score points for recommending that I drop my body fat % below 80.

"Tim Lines" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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He DOES score points for recommending that I drop my body fat % below 80.

You have 80% body fat!? Holy Cow! You must be REALLY slow on the hills!

Cathy

Cathy Boland said:

"Tim Lines" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:GX_Qb.118474$sv6.644423@attbi_s52...

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He DOES score points for recommending that I drop my body fat % below 80.

You have 80% body fat!? Holy Cow! You must be REALLY slow on the hills!

Yeah, but I'm DAMNED hard to pass.

Art M said:

One thing at a time. I just went clipless in August. I'm looking to buy an al bike now.

Unfortunately the only hills here are the occasional bridges. I don't get dropped much anymore,
but the person in front of me can often hear me breathing when things get moving. Fat% unknown --
I can pinch about an inch of fat on my stomach. I've gained 5 lbs. this winter even though I've
only missed rides on days where temps are below 35F.

At your current level the long ride is probably more important than the intervals. Don't start at 5
hours though, rather gradually work your way up from your current longest ride over a period of
several months. Once you've built up your endurance base you can start doing intervals.

Actually, there's no basis for doing long rides before intervals. And, by simply doing long rides
and no intervals, you dig yourself in a hole early. A mix of short intervals (a few times a week)
mixed with these easy rides is essential to improvement. A little goes a long way, though.

CH

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Art M said:

One thing at a time. I just went clipless in August. I'm looking to buy an al bike now.

Unfortunately the only hills here are the occasional bridges. I don't get dropped much anymore,
but the person in front of me can often hear me breathing when things get moving. Fat% unknown
-- I can pinch about an inch of fat on my stomach. I've gained 5 lbs. this winter even though
I've only missed rides on days where temps are below 35F.

At your current level the long ride is probably more important than the intervals. Don't start at
5 hours though, rather gradually work your way up from your current longest ride over a period of
several months. Once you've built up your endurance base you can start doing intervals.

Now I see the benefit of a coach -- a coherent message. But I appreciate your opinions.

A typical week for me when the weather is better than it is now is a 20 mile ride on Tue/Thur , 55
miles (90km) on Sat (several speedups over 30 mph with recovery paces) and 35 miles on Sun
(constant hard pace, pushing aerobic limits for the last third). All of those are group rides. My
longest ride was a few weeks ago. 80 miles long, one 10 min stop, ave was over 20mph with three
other riders. I ate one granola bar and drank juice. At 70 miles my inner thigh started cramping.
Seems like an odd place to get a cramp from riding. I think it was my sartorius. It's the longest
muscle in the body, you know.

My original post was based on the possibly erroneous assumption that my heart is in better shape
than my legs.

Thanks --Art

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Actually, there's no basis for doing long rides before intervals. And, by simply doing long rides
and no intervals, you dig yourself in a hole early. A mix of short intervals (a few times a week)
mixed with these easy rides is essential to improvement. A little goes a long way, though.

CH

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Art M said:

One thing at a time. I just went clipless in August. I'm looking to

buy an

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al bike now.

Unfortunately the only hills here are the occasional bridges. I don't

get

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dropped much anymore, but the person in front of me can often hear me breathing when things
get moving. Fat% unknown -- I can pinch about an

inch

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of fat on my stomach. I've gained 5 lbs. this winter even though I've

only

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missed rides on days where temps are below 35F.

At your current level the long ride is probably more important than the intervals. Don't start
at 5 hours though, rather gradually work your way up from your current longest ride over a
period of several months. Once you've built up your endurance base you can start doing
intervals.

chris said:

Yeah, that's what he needs; some chowda'head from the local gym. Aren't those the same boneheads
that tell you to wear a rubber suit to lose weight?

Maybe Art doesn't need a coach, but please don't insult any decent coach with someone from the
local gym. Personal trainers are some of the most poorly certified and credentialed health
professionals in the U.S.

CH

Implicit in my advice was to find one who actually knows something about training endurance.

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instability." George Bush Sr. in his 1998 book "A World Transformed"

Implicit in my comment was that Art would have a hard time find such asvice at the local gym,
fitness center, or whatever else you want to call it.

CH

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chris said:

Yeah, that's what he needs; some chowda'head from the local gym. Aren't those the same boneheads
that tell you to wear a rubber suit to lose weight?

Maybe Art doesn't need a coach, but please don't insult any decent coach with someone from the
local gym. Personal trainers are some of the most poorly certified and credentialed health
professionals in the U.S.

CH

Implicit in my advice was to find one who actually knows something about training endurance.

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M said:

Now I see the benefit of a coach -- a coherent message. But I appreciate your opinions.

A typical week for me when the weather is better than it is now is a 20 mile ride on Tue/Thur , 55
miles (90km) on Sat (several speedups over 30 mph with recovery paces) and 35 miles on Sun
(constant hard pace, pushing aerobic limits for the last third). All of those are group rides. My
longest ride was a few weeks ago. 80 miles long, one 10 min stop, ave was over 20mph with three
other riders. I ate one granola bar and drank juice. At 70 miles my inner thigh started cramping.

Likely not enough food nor fluid for that duration. "Juice" usually means fructose and that's not
the best (single) carb source during rides. Starving yourself during rides is counterproductive in
many ways.

-WG

Interesting scientific study of interval training here:
home.hia.nointerval.htmOpen ↗

--Art

"chris" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Actually, there's no basis for doing long rides before intervals. And, by simply doing long rides
and no intervals, you dig yourself in a hole early. A mix of short intervals (a few times a week)
mixed with these easy rides is essential to improvement. A little goes a long way, though.

CH

Donald Munro <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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At your current level the long ride is probably more important than the intervals. Don't start
at 5 hours though, rather gradually work your way up from your current longest ride over a
period of several months. Once you've built up your endurance base you can start doing
intervals.