Train wreck in slow motion

Quoted message said:

From: [email hidden] (CowPunk)
Date: 10/3/2004 3:51 PM Eastern

Quoted message said:

http://www.stolenunderground.com/id74.html

"Sorry guys if you are innocent, but you should be happy becasue

Stolen Underground is cleaning up the sport and fighting for you......If

your name was mentioned and you would like to defend yourself, do

an interview with the commander......that is about all we can tell

you.......or go to Europe....."

Wonder how much they know about the "House Un-American activities committee".
Not much I'd bet, but they seem to be operating on the same principles.
Bill C

TritonRider said:

Quoted message said:

From: [email hidden] (CowPunk)
Date: 10/3/2004 3:51 PM Eastern

Quoted message said:

http://www.stolenunderground.com/id74.html

"Sorry guys if you are innocent, but you should be happy becasue

Stolen Underground is cleaning up the sport and fighting for you......If

your name was mentioned and you would like to defend yourself, do

an interview with the commander......that is about all we can tell

you.......or go to Europe....."

Wonder how much they know about the "House Un-American activities committee".
Not much I'd bet, but they seem to be operating on the same principles.
Bill C

I think you mean RICO

CowPunk said:

http://www.stolenunderground.com/id74.html

"Sorry guys if you are innocent, but you should be happy becasue

Stolen Underground is cleaning up the sport and fighting for

you......

<snip>

Dumbass -

This sport and any other professional sport will be clean as soon as
the culture in which it resides is drug-free also.

A similar War On Drugs was waged in the culture at large - Ronald
Reagan's War On Drugs in the 1980s. Reagan's War on Drugs had billions
of dollars and the power of the United States Federal Government
backing it up. You've got:

www.stolenunderground.com and WADA.

Two entities which, in my not-so-humble opinion, have little chance of
changing the values of Western culture.
Good luck with your crusade. I wish you well.

K. Gringioni.

Quoted message said:

From: Richard Adams [email hidden]

Quoted message said:

hink you mean RICO

Nope. I meant Joe McCarthy and his buddies. They accused just about everybody
and made them come into their kangaroo court to attempt to defend themselves.
Same thing here.
Bill C

In article <[email hidden]>, TritonRider

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

From: Richard Adams [email hidden]

Quoted message said:

hink you mean RICO

Nope. I meant Joe McCarthy and his buddies. They accused just about everybody
and made them come into their kangaroo court to attempt to defend themselves.
Same thing here.

And how does somebody prove they're not a communist or not a doper?

-WG

"warren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>, TritonRider

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

From: Richard Adams [email hidden]

Quoted message said:

hink you mean RICO

Nope. I meant Joe McCarthy and his buddies. They accused just about

everybody

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

and made them come into their kangaroo court to attempt to defend

themselves.

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Quoted message said:

Same thing here.

And how does somebody prove they're not a communist or not a doper?

-WG

I believe that is precisely his point. I hope that at least *now* people can
see how absurd this has all become.

In article <[email hidden]>,

(TritonRider) said:

Quoted message said:

From: Richard Adams [email hidden]

Quoted message said:

hink you mean RICO

Nope. I meant Joe McCarthy and his buddies. They accused just about everybody
and made them come into their kangaroo court to attempt to defend themselves.
Same thing here.
Bill C

That's exactly what I was thinking - it has the same style of publicly
accusing someone of a crime, then challenging them to prove their
innocence. I haven't made my mind up if the level of demagoguery is quite
the same, however.

--
tanx,
Howard

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Chris said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Nope. I meant Joe McCarthy and his buddies. They accused just about
everybody and made them come into their kangaroo court to attempt
to defend themselves. Same thing here.

And how does somebody prove they're not a communist or not a doper?

I believe that is precisely his point. I hope that at least *now* people
can see how absurd this has all become.

Jeff is a little shy about posting politics to a bike racing group but
suggested that this, like so many things today, relates quite closely to
(the reasons behind) the invasion of Iraq.

You're welcome, Jeff.

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Wonder how much they know about the "House Un-American activities

committee".

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Quoted message said:

Not much I'd bet, but they seem to be operating on the same principles.
Bill C

I think you mean RICO

The hunt for subversives started during the war itself, and was furthered by
congressional committees that often abused their powers of investigation to
harass people with whom they differed politically. Then in February 1950, an
undistinguished, first-term Republican senator from Wisconsin, Joseph
McCarthy, burst into national prominence when, in a speech in Wheeling, West
Virginia, he held up a piece of paper that he claimed was a list of 205
known communists currently working in the State Department. McCarthy never
produced documentation for a single one of his charges, but for the next
four years he exploited an issue that he realized had touched a nerve in the
American public.

He and his aides, Roy Cohn and David Shine, made wild accusations, browbeat
witnesses, destroyed reputations and threw mud at men like George Marshall,
Adlai Stevenson, and others whom McCarthy charged were part of an effete
"eastern establishment." For several years, McCarthy terrorized American
public life, and even Dwight Eisenhower, who detested McCarthy, was afraid
to stand up to him. Finally, however, the senator from Wisconsin
over-reached himself.

Quoted message said:

From: Howard Kveck [email hidden]

Quoted message said:

I haven't made my mind up if the level of demagoguery is quite
the same, however.

--
tanx,
Howard

I vote no. CP is going nowhere, and will never have any real power. McCarthy
was aiming to be president and the scary part is that he had a shot at it.
Henry has pointed out, rightly so IMO, that none of this really means [censored] in
the big picture. CP is Springer on Cycling and I'm starting to think, about as
accurate.
Bill C

"Carl Sundquist" <[email hidden]>

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The hunt for subversives started during the war itself, and was furthered

by
<<snip>>

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to stand up to him. Finally, however, the senator from Wisconsin
over-reached himself.

http://usinfo.state.gov/usa/infousa/facts/democrac/60.htm

Sorry, I overlooked giving the proper attribute.

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Chris said:

Quoted message said:

> Nope. I meant Joe McCarthy and his buddies. They accused just about
> everybody and made them come into their kangaroo court to attempt
> to defend themselves. Same thing here.

And how does somebody prove they're not a communist or not a doper?

I believe that is precisely his point. I hope that at least *now* people
can see how absurd this has all become.

Jeff is a little shy about posting politics to a bike racing group but
suggested that this, like so many things today, relates quite closely to
(the reasons behind) the invasion of Iraq.

Thank you :-)

TritonRider said:

Quoted message said:

From: Howard Kveck [email hidden]

Quoted message said:

I haven't made my mind up if the level of demagoguery is quite
the same, however.

--
tanx,
Howard

I vote no. CP is going nowhere, and will never have any real power. McCarthy
was aiming to be president and the scary part is that he had a shot at it.
Henry has pointed out, rightly so IMO, that none of this really means [censored] in
the big picture. CP is Springer on Cycling and I'm starting to think, about as
accurate.
Bill C

I have it on excellent authority that CP is a witch.

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(TritonRider) said:

Quoted message said:

From: Howard Kveck [email hidden]

Quoted message said:

I haven't made my mind up if the level of demagoguery is quite
the same, however.

--
tanx,
Howard

I vote no. CP is going nowhere, and will never have any real power. McCarthy
was aiming to be president and the scary part is that he had a shot at it.
Henry has pointed out, rightly so IMO, that none of this really means [censored] in
the big picture. CP is Springer on Cycling and I'm starting to think, about as
accurate.
Bill C

The reason I use the word 'demagogue' in this case is that CP and Stolen
Underground do seem to be painting themselves as leaders in a "just fight",
the same as McCarthy did. Whether it's about gaining power (as JM sought to
do) or simply getting attention , it seems to end up the same for me.
Springer is certainly about drawing attention to himself, and, to a degree,
that could be percieved (even if only in the mind of the perpetrator) as
power.

--
tanx,
Howard

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warren said:

In article <[email hidden]>, TritonRider

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

From: Richard Adams [email hidden]

Quoted message said:

hink you mean RICO

Nope. I meant Joe McCarthy and his buddies. They accused just about everybody
and made them come into their kangaroo court to attempt to defend themselves.
Same thing here.

And how does somebody prove they're not a communist or not a doper?

One of the things about McCarthy's hearings was that many of those
accused of communist ties almost always had something else much worse
that they wanted to hide; admitting to being communist was preferable...

On 10/03/2004 10:34 PM, in article [email hidden],

Stewart Fleming said:

warren said:

In article <[email hidden]>, TritonRider

Quoted message said:

> From: Richard Adams [email hidden]

> hink you mean RICO
>

Nope. I meant Joe McCarthy and his buddies. They accused just about
everybody
and made them come into their kangaroo court to attempt to defend
themselves.
Same thing here.

And how does somebody prove they're not a communist or not a doper?

One of the things about McCarthy's hearings was that many of those
accused of communist ties almost always had something else much worse
that they wanted to hide; admitting to being communist was preferable...

And most of those who were blacklisted or jailed for refusing to testify
were completely innocent ...

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TritonRider said:

Wonder how much they know about the "House Un-American activities
committee".

You might be surprised by the kinds of behavior being described as
un-American nowadays.

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Quoted message said:

One of the things about McCarthy's hearings was that many of those
accused of communist ties almost always had something else much worse
that they wanted to hide; admitting to being communist was preferable...

Must have been doing a tag team with J Edgar Hoover.

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

From: Richard Adams [email hidden]

Quoted message said:

hink you mean RICO

Nope. I meant Joe McCarthy and his buddies. They accused just about everybody
and made them come into their kangaroo court to attempt to defend themselves.
Same thing here.
Bill C

Do you think that the innocent were "happy" because Joe was cleaning
up the house and "fighting" for them??