train on flat roads

"Zoot Katz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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Wear a rain cape and you can back pedal all the way home too.

Sorry, this is a bit out of your league, we're talking about
training here.

Best if you find a thread on a topic such as how to pack groceries
on your bike.

Per Elmsäter said:

Zoot Katz said:

(WBA) said:

I would love to ride on hilly roads, but I could not find them here.
There is not much variety when I ride. What can I do to make the
exercise more efficient?

Ride a fixie into the wind.

And if there is no wind you can mount a dragchute on your seatpost.

http://www.hearingcommsys.com/parachute/

Chalo Colina

Neil Cherry said:

Per Elmsäter said:

Per Elmsäter said:

Zoot Katz wrote:
> 28 Sep 2004 15:08:19 -0700,
> <[email hidden]>,
> [email hidden] (WBA) wrote:
>
>> I would love to ride on hilly roads, but I could not find them
>> here. There is not much variety when I ride. What can I do to
>> make the exercise more efficient?
>
> Ride a fixie into the wind.

And if there is no wind you can mount a dragchute on your seatpost.

Actually I happened to read something, after I wrote the above.
Where a coach said.
"If you don't have a sufficiently long hill to do the intervals on,
you can do them on the flats sitting up in the wind."

I'm not so sure I beleive that. I ride in the flat lands of NJ
(Southern half) and we experience some pretty good winds. I know how
to handle the winds but it has never helped me on the hills. Of course
it could be a psychological thing as there are a few small hills here
that beat me up (short and steep) while bigger & longer hills are less
of a problem. Wind is something I can't see and I just have to deal
with for 2/3 of the year.

Actually some of the best climbers in the world grew up on flat land. Eddie
Mercx, Lance Armstrong just to name a few.
Strong headwinds build stamina. As you say you do alright on long hills,
that's were your aerobic power comes to use. On short hills it's your
anaerobic power you need to train. You could probably build that up by doing
anaerobic intervals into a strong headwind.

When you go up a hill it will eventually end. When you go against a headwind
it won't end until you turn around 😉

--
Perre

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Chalo said:

Per Elmsäter said:

Zoot Katz said:

[email hidden] (WBA) wrote:

> I would love to ride on hilly roads, but I could not find them
> here. There is not much variety when I ride. What can I do to
> make the exercise more efficient?

Ride a fixie into the wind.

And if there is no wind you can mount a dragchute on your seatpost.

http://www.hearingcommsys.com/parachute/

Chalo Colina

Nice job.How did you manage to keep the chute flying so high and stable. I
couldn't see anything stabilizing the chute except possibly different length
lines in the attachment.

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Perre

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Per Elmsäter said:

When you go up a hill it will eventually end. When you go against a
headwind it won't end until you turn around 😉

If you're lucky. I've been on long rides here in the Fraser valley
(Vancouver B.C. area), where the wind has actually reversed direction close
to the time I did, and so I've ended up riding against the wind the entire
day!

--
Benjamin Lewis

Seeing is deceiving. It's eating that's believing.
-- James Thurber

Fri, 01 Oct 2004 22:20:44 GMT, <0Lk7d.581463$gE.556154@pd7tw3no>,
The Pro, "Fabrizio Mazzoleni" <[email hidden]> helpfully advised:

Quoted message said:

Sorry, this is a bit out of your league, we're talking about
training here.

Best if you find a thread on a topic such as how to pack groceries
on your bike.

Don't worry baby, I've got everything under control on that front.
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"Benjamin Lewis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Per Elmsäter said:

When you go up a hill it will eventually end. When you go against a
headwind it won't end until you turn around 😉

If you're lucky. I've been on long rides here in the Fraser valley
(Vancouver B.C. area), where the wind has actually reversed direction

close

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to the time I did, and so I've ended up riding against the wind the entire
day!

Me too -- in this case, a ride out to Flaming Geyser State Park, the
flattest possible century you can ride from my house. I had a headwind all
the way out, and while I was eating lunch at the park, the wind reversed,
and I had it all the way back.

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Fabrizio Mazzoleni said:

"Zoot Katz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Wear a rain cape and you can back pedal all the way home too.

Sorry, this is a bit out of your league, we're talking about
training here.

Best if you find a thread on a topic such as how to pack groceries
on your bike.

Hey, Fab... I just had a great idea. Why not just train on a tandem
and put your trophy girlfriend on the back. Now I know that there's
no time for a real girlfriend during the racing season, but surely you
can find someone cute enough to enhance your aura, but still weak
enough to allow a really great workout at a reasonable pace.

Mark Hickey
Habanero Cycles
http://www.habcycles.com
Home of the $695 ti frame

Per Elmsäter said:

Neil Cherry said:

Per Elmsäter said:

Per Elmsäter wrote:
> Zoot Katz wrote:
>> 28 Sep 2004 15:08:19 -0700,
>> <[email hidden]>,
>> [email hidden] (WBA) wrote:
>>
>>> I would love to ride on hilly roads, but I could not find them
>>> here. There is not much variety when I ride. What can I do to
>>> make the exercise more efficient?
>>
>> Ride a fixie into the wind.
>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Where a coach said.
"If you don't have a sufficiently long hill to do the intervals on,
you can do them on the flats sitting up in the wind."

I'm not so sure I beleive that. I ride in the flat lands of NJ
(Southern half) and we experience some pretty good winds. I know how
to handle the winds but it has never helped me on the hills. Of course
it could be a psychological thing as there are a few small hills here
that beat me up (short and steep) while bigger & longer hills are less
of a problem. Wind is something I can't see and I just have to deal
with for 2/3 of the year.

Quoted message said:

Strong headwinds build stamina. As you say you do alright on long hills,
that's were your aerobic power comes to use. On short hills it's your
anaerobic power you need to train. You could probably build that up by doing
anaerobic intervals into a strong headwind.

I can go slowly up the hills but any real increase in speed and I blow
up over long distances. You are correct small hills are not a problem
though will all the rollers we have they take their toll.

Intervals is an interesting idea, they sound quite painful but
doable. Especially on solo rides.

Quoted message said:

When you go up a hill it will eventually end. When you go against a headwind
it won't end until you turn around 😉

My rides are notorious for head winds in both directions and before
anyone thinks this is a myth let me explain. My rides are in the flat
(south) central part of NJ. During the mornings the winds are one way
and in the afternoons the winds another. Land heats winds one way,
water heats wind another, land cools ... water cools ... . It depends
on the time of day, on the amount of sun and the time of year and a
few other things. I often head South in the morning and North in the
afternoon. The actual winds tend to be crosswinds but the numbers
tend to be 15+ mph. Winter hurts the worst (coldest wind) with
February being the absolute worst (cold and strong), Spring and Fall
strongest with nasty gusts. Summer nasty warm winds but they occur
less often. A cold wind in the Summer means ride fast and hard as your
about to get a nasty thunderstorm! Wind during the Summer occurs the
least unless we hit the shore (usually Sandy Hook as the Jersey shore
is to dangerous to ride in the summer).

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Per Elmsäter said:

Chalo said:

http://www.hearingcommsys.com/parachute/

Nice job.How did you manage to keep the chute flying so high and stable. I
couldn't see anything stabilizing the chute except possibly different length
lines in the attachment.

I wish I could claim credit for such a thing, but the link was sent to
me. All I know about it is what's on the page.

Chalo Colina