Trail Mag Sep 04

(Maldavies2) said:

Is it just my Grumpy Old Man tendencies, or is this month's Trail naffer than
ever?

OK, so the concept is 'Untrodden North Wales' which is OK.

But we get the following;

"Yep- Moel Siabod really is this good. But keep this information to yourself.
Seen from the West by people plying Snowdon's tourist tracks Siabod looks like
a lazy lump of mountain with little to offer but a trudge to its lowly top"

OK- so keep Siabod 'secret' and publish it in a mainstream mag. Good idea.

The thing is, it's about the least secret hill in Snowdonia. Other
than Snowdon, I can't think of any hill where you're more guaranteed
to meet crowds.

Try getting near Adam and Eve on Tryfan on a summer Saturday! Not for no reason
are there so many seagulls on Tryfan (left over sarnies) than the Glyderau

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Try getting near Adam and Eve on Tryfan on a summer Saturday! Not for no

reason

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are there so many seagulls on Tryfan (left over sarnies) than the Glyderau

buy trail for 12 months then you need never buy it again..

Ahh good to see 'Trail' is up to its usual standard. It's never really
recovered from the Ben Nevis Bearing [censored].

However TGO has its own problems - having to wade through Cameron McNeish's
inane, self-indulgentscribblings.

Long live The Angry Corrie!!

Alzzar

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Is it just my Grumpy Old Man tendencies, or is this month's Trail naffer

than

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ever?

OK, so the concept is 'Untrodden North Wales' which is OK.

But we get the following;

"Yep- Moel Siabod really is this good. But keep this information to

yourself.

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Seen from the West by people plying Snowdon's tourist tracks Siabod looks

like

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a lazy lump of mountain with little to offer but a trudge to its lowly

top"

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OK- so keep Siabod 'secret' and publish it in a mainstream mag. Good idea.

And we have recommendations for something called the 'no cringe culture

spot'

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(the Waunfawr BTW). I'm afraid the only cringe hereabouts comers from

reading

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the article.

I could go on, but basically, Trail is becoming the BBC Good Food Mag for

the

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mountains. Loads of lovely pics, verbose foliage, but light on appetite.

Damn- can't resist another utterly naff-beyond-belief quote "The A5 drive

into

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North Wales is mouintain foreplay at its finest: the welcome

claustrophobia of

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rising countours as you reach Llangollen.....'

Sorry, just have to stop.

TGO has its many faults, but boy, it would never descend to this......

Maldavies2 said:

Is it just my Grumpy Old Man tendencies, or is this month's Trail naffer than
ever?

You could exercise some foot-voting and not read it, you know!

Pete.
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Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

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Long live The Angry Corrie!!

Agreed and it's only 50p!

Jiffy

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Maldavies2 said:

Is it just my Grumpy Old Man tendencies, or is this month's Trail naffer

than

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ever?

You could exercise some foot-voting and not read it, you know!

I have been following your recommendation for the last 5 years and have no
regrets.
--
"As for the hexamine stove. OW! Burnt fingers again!..... and the
bloody thing's gone out.....OW! no it hasn't." - Judith in uk.rec.walking

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Long live The Angry Corrie!!

Agreed and it's only 50p!

Or free online if you're tightfisted, or can't be bothered to find an
outlet for the paper version.
--
Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"

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(Maldavies2) said:

"Yep- Moel Siabod really is this good. But keep this information to

yourself.

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Seen from the West by people plying Snowdon's tourist tracks Siabod looks

like

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a lazy lump of mountain with little to offer but a trudge to its lowly

top"

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OK- so keep Siabod 'secret' and publish it in a mainstream mag. Good

idea.

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The thing is, it's about the least secret hill in Snowdonia. Other
than Snowdon, I can't think of any hill where you're more guaranteed
to meet crowds.

I wandered up it July 2003 on a Sunday and didn't see a soul until got down
on the west side (about half an hour after I had foolishly tried to cross
Llynau Diwarnydd by the stepping stones - they were about a foot below water
level on the south side). My route was from Roman Bridge station to take a
direct route to the top then off to Diwarnydd, traipse the boggy mess to
the east of Carnedd y Cribau. Finally I went due west on the bridleway to
get to the main road and then down to Bryn Gwynant YH. Only from after the
lake did I see anyone (a total of about 4 people before I hit the road).

Oh, and it wasn't waining either. It had been threatening all day and
started as soon as I got to the YH though.

Much quieter than the traffic jams up the PyG or on Crib Goch a couple of
days later.

Have fun,
Paul

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buy trail for 12 months then you need never buy it again..

Aye- articles and routes tend to be rehashed often!

I'll take the advice and stop buying it!

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On 12 Aug 2004 22:40:14 GMT, [email hidden] (Maldavies2) wrote:

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The thing is, it's about the least secret hill in Snowdonia. Other
than Snowdon, I can't think of any hill where you're more guaranteed
to meet crowds.

I have to say that I've never seen a crowd on Moel Siabod. It must surely be
a lot less crowded than Tryfan, or the Glyders, or Carnedd Llewelyn, or
Cadair Idris, or... Compare the number of cars parked by Llyn Ogwyn to the
number of cars parked near Moel Siabod.

I'm going to suprise a few people and found this month's Trail quite good.
Mind you I only bought it for the Wales info. I'm not a expert on Wales and
it's certainly given me a few pointers for next years uk.rec.walking
expedition (which as we all know will be in Wales!).

The other routes in the back are mostly rehashes of previous ones. How many
more times will Trail climb Ben Nevis?

Jhimmy

Jhimmy wrote on Sat, 14 Aug 2004 20:51:44 +0100....

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next years uk.rec.walking
expedition (which as we all know will be in Wales!).

But will it, if the Departed One remains departed?

(Or has it been stated that He Will Be Back?)

--
Tim Jackson
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Absurd patents: visit http://www.patent.freeserve.co.uk

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Try getting near Adam and Eve on Tryfan on a summer Saturday!

Sounds like pub :-)
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Bill Grey
http://www.billboy.co.uk

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Jhimmy wrote on Sat, 14 Aug 2004 20:51:44 +0100....

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next years uk.rec.walking
expedition (which as we all know will be in Wales!).

But will it, if the Departed One remains departed?

(Or has it been stated that He Will Be Back?)

Be afraid - VERY AFRAID .....HE WILL BE BACK. :-)
--
Bill Grey
http://www.billboy.co.uk

W. D. Grey wrote on Sat, 14 Aug 2004 22:18:34 +0100....

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In article <[email hidden]>, Tim Jackson
<[email hidden]> writes

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(Or has it been stated that He Will Be Back?)

Be afraid - VERY AFRAID .....HE WILL BE BACK. :-)

I knew someone would go for it if I set it up.... :-)

--
Tim Jackson
[email hidden]
(Change '.invalid' to '.co.uk' to reply direct)
Absurd patents: visit http://www.patent.freeserve.co.uk

W. D. Grey said:

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(Or has it been stated that He Will Be Back?)

Be afraid - VERY AFRAID .....HE WILL BE BACK. :-)
--

He seems to have that (dare I say male-) trait of having everything
classified and boxed off according to rules. He departed at 23:59 on
31st July. I expect he will return, albeit just in passing, on a
similar "landmark" date.

Perhaps it will be a full month. Perhaps a full number of weeks.
Perhaps a prime number of the cardassion series. Who knows?

Judith

Noticed any new members? It might be him - lurking. No man like Paul can
resist the challenge of a few posts;-)

Anyhow, he'll be back organising Wales as next years expedition - anyone
want to bet otherwise!

Jhimmy

gOn Fri, 13 Aug 2004 22:58:10 +0100, "Michael" <[email hidden]>

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I have to say that I've never seen a crowd on Moel Siabod. It must surely be
a lot less crowded than Tryfan, or the Glyders, or Carnedd Llewelyn, or
Cadair Idris, or... Compare the number of cars parked by Llyn Ogwyn to the
number of cars parked near Moel Siabod.

Possibly the reason I always find it heaving is that it's often used
as a rainy day option, not least by me. But the one time I was
accidentally there in good conditions, I'd say we probably met 30 or
40 others during the day.