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  1. This morning, shortly after 9am, three cyclists were very close to the
    Eureka cafe at Two Mills planning to meet their clubmates for a Sunday
    morning run.

    <http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?lat=53.262&lon=-2.9784&scale=200
    000&icon=x>

    They were riding in a south-easterly direction into the low morning sun,
    when two of the riders were hit from behind by a Renault Clio.

    One of the cyclists, Mel Vasey, was hit directly from behind and thrown
    over the car. He was unconscious and suffered cardiac arrest. Due to the
    attention of a passing Aldi lorry driver, he was still alive when the
    ambulance arrived. Due to the severity of his injuries, Mel later died
    in hospital. He will be a great loss to the local cycling community. He
    was a proprietor of Quins Cycles in Liverpool, and well known and liked
    in the area.

    The other rider involved in the collision, Danny McDonough, sustained a
    broken hip and was undergoing x-rays to determine the extent of further
    injuries.

    A sad day for my club.

    Andy Templeman, Birkenhead North End Cycling Club
    <http://www.bnecc.co.uk>

    --
    Andy Templeman <http://www.templeman.org.uk/>

  2. Sincere condolences to the families and friends of the cyclists.

  3. "Andrew Templeman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    This morning, shortly after 9am, three cyclists were very close to the
    Eureka cafe at Two Mills planning to meet their clubmates for a Sunday
    morning run.

    Sorry to hear it. Condolences to the family.

    I want to say something positive, but it's just bad news.

    Hope the club have a big ride out to remember.

  4. in message <[email hidden]>, Andrew

    Templeman (') said:

    This morning, shortly after 9am, three cyclists were very close to the
    Eureka cafe at Two Mills planning to meet their clubmates for a Sunday
    morning run.

    [Snip]

    My condolences. I also was out on a club run this Sunday... a more innocent
    activity I cannot imagine.

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

    IMHO, there aren't enough committed Christians, but that's care
    in the community for you. -- Ben Evans

  5. Andrew Templeman said:

    One of the cyclists, Mel Vasey, was hit directly from behind and thrown
    over the car. He was unconscious and suffered cardiac arrest. Due to the
    attention of a passing Aldi lorry driver,

    Did the lorry driver then reverse over the renault?

    How on earth can a car run into the back of a group of cyclists at such
    speed to cause such devastation? I mean it's not 9am now and cloudy
    today but more than light enough to see a cyclist in front of you.

    peter

  6. naked_draughtsman said:


    How on earth can a car run into the back of a group of cyclists at
    such speed to cause such devastation?

    "They were riding in a south-easterly direction *into the low morning sun*

    ie The car driver was driving too fast for the conditions as he was blinded
    by the sun. It is perfectly possible that to him they were invisible.

    pk

  7. naked_draughtsman said the following on 15/01/2007 08:42:

    Quoted message said:

    How on earth can a car run into the back of a group of cyclists at such
    speed to cause such devastation?

    The car was driving into low sun. Under some conditions, this can
    reduce visibility, but the driver obviously didn't take this into account.

    --
    Paul Boyd
    http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/

  8. Simon Brooke said:

    in message <[email hidden]>, Andrew

    Templeman (') said:

    This morning, shortly after 9am, three cyclists were very close to the
    Eureka cafe at Two Mills planning to meet their clubmates for a Sunday
    morning run.

    [Snip]

    My condolences. I also was out on a club run this Sunday... a more innocent
    activity I cannot imagine.

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

    IMHO, there aren't enough committed Christians, but that's care
    in the community for you. -- Ben Evans

    Oh no, that's awful.

    Is there a news link yet?

    Why do drivers carry on a lethal speeds when they can't see?

  9. Andrew Templeman said:

    This morning, shortly after 9am, three cyclists were very close to the
    Eureka cafe at Two Mills planning to meet their clubmates for a Sunday
    morning run.

    <http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?lat=53.262&lon=-2.9784&scale=200
    000&icon=x>

    They were riding in a south-easterly direction into the low morning sun,
    when two of the riders were hit from behind by a Renault Clio.

    One of the cyclists, Mel Vasey, was hit directly from behind and thrown
    over the car. He was unconscious and suffered cardiac arrest. Due to the
    attention of a passing Aldi lorry driver, he was still alive when the
    ambulance arrived. Due to the severity of his injuries, Mel later died
    in hospital. He will be a great loss to the local cycling community. He
    was a proprietor of Quins Cycles in Liverpool, and well known and liked
    in the area.

    The other rider involved in the collision, Danny McDonough, sustained a
    broken hip and was undergoing x-rays to determine the extent of further
    injuries.

    A sad day for my club.

    Andy Templeman, Birkenhead North End Cycling Club
    <http://www.bnecc.co.uk>

    --
    Andy Templeman <http://www.templeman.org.uk/>

    Terribly terribly sorry to hear that.

    It's so sad such a wonderful sport can be so dangerous.

  10. spindrift said:

    Is there a news link yet?

    http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0200sport/0800othersports/tm_headline=popular-club-cyclist-killed-in-horror-collision&method=full&objectid=18471603&siteid=50061-name_page.html
    icLiverpool

    http://preview.tinyurl.com/yanwms

  11. Mark said:
    Andrew Templeman said:

    This morning, shortly after 9am, three cyclists were very close to the
    Eureka cafe at Two Mills planning to meet their clubmates for a Sunday
    morning run.

    <http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?lat=53.262&lon=-2.9784&scale=200
    000&icon=x>

    They were riding in a south-easterly direction into the low morning sun,
    when two of the riders were hit from behind by a Renault Clio.

    One of the cyclists, Mel Vasey, was hit directly from behind and thrown
    over the car. He was unconscious and suffered cardiac arrest. Due to the
    attention of a passing Aldi lorry driver, he was still alive when the
    ambulance arrived. Due to the severity of his injuries, Mel later died
    in hospital. He will be a great loss to the local cycling community. He
    was a proprietor of Quins Cycles in Liverpool, and well known and liked
    in the area.

    The other rider involved in the collision, Danny McDonough, sustained a
    broken hip and was undergoing x-rays to determine the extent of further
    injuries.

    A sad day for my club.

    Andy Templeman, Birkenhead North End Cycling Club
    <http://www.bnecc.co.uk>

    --
    Andy Templeman <http://www.templeman.org.uk/>

    Terribly terribly sorry to hear that.

    It's so sad such a wonderful sport can be so dangerous.

    15 January 2007
    GET TOUGH ON KILLER MOTORISTS
    By Rosa Prince
    MINISTERS were urged yesterday to stop killer drivers getting away with
    a slap on the wrists.

    Robert Gifford, of campaign group Parliamentary Advisory Council for
    Transport Safety, said it was a scandal that they could get away with a
    fine.

    The maximum is two years for dangerous driving or five years for death
    by dangerous driving.

    Mr Gifford said prosecutors are often reluctant to bring the most
    serious charges and those jailed get an average 18 months.

    http://tinyurl.com/tyqtv

  12. spindrift said:
    Mark said:
    Andrew Templeman said:

    This morning, shortly after 9am, three cyclists were very close to the
    Eureka cafe at Two Mills planning to meet their clubmates for a Sunday
    morning run.

    <http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?lat=53.262&lon=-2.9784&scale=200
    000&icon=x>

    They were riding in a south-easterly direction into the low morning sun,
    when two of the riders were hit from behind by a Renault Clio.

    One of the cyclists, Mel Vasey, was hit directly from behind and thrown
    over the car. He was unconscious and suffered cardiac arrest. Due to the
    attention of a passing Aldi lorry driver, he was still alive when the
    ambulance arrived. Due to the severity of his injuries, Mel later died
    in hospital. He will be a great loss to the local cycling community. He
    was a proprietor of Quins Cycles in Liverpool, and well known and liked
    in the area.

    The other rider involved in the collision, Danny McDonough, sustained a
    broken hip and was undergoing x-rays to determine the extent of further
    injuries.

    A sad day for my club.

    Andy Templeman, Birkenhead North End Cycling Club
    <http://www.bnecc.co.uk>

    --
    Andy Templeman <http://www.templeman.org.uk/>

    Terribly terribly sorry to hear that.

    It's so sad such a wonderful sport can be so dangerous.

    15 January 2007
    GET TOUGH ON KILLER MOTORISTS
    By Rosa Prince
    MINISTERS were urged yesterday to stop killer drivers getting away with
    a slap on the wrists.

    Robert Gifford, of campaign group Parliamentary Advisory Council for
    Transport Safety, said it was a scandal that they could get away with a
    fine.

    The maximum is two years for dangerous driving or five years for death
    by dangerous driving.

    Mr Gifford said prosecutors are often reluctant to bring the most
    serious charges and those jailed get an average 18 months.

    http://tinyurl.com/tyqtv

    Couldn't agree more - the punishment should fit the crime, which at the
    moment it clearly doesn't, not be a long chalk!

    I'm sure (would hope) that the driver in question spends the rest of
    their life feeling like [censored], but that doesn't help the poor cyclist or
    their family 🙁

    Personally, I wear a helmet, have multiple lights, hi-viz jacket and
    take great care, but I can't help other people's stupidity, much as I'd
    love to. I sometimes find myself wondering if life is too precious to
    risk on the road... I have to keep reminding myself it's still
    relatively safe and a life of being wrapped in cotton wool would not be
    much of a life.

  13. "Mark" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    Terribly terribly sorry to hear that.

    It's so sad such a wonderful sport can be so dangerous.

    I apologise for being a bit picky here - but the cyclists weren't doing
    anything particularly dangerous. The danger wasn't from cycling, it was from
    the motorist and it would appear the motorist was not travelling at a speed
    in which he could safely stop. That's the danger

  14. wafflycat said:

    "Mark" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    Terribly terribly sorry to hear that.

    It's so sad such a wonderful sport can be so dangerous.

    I apologise for being a bit picky here - but the cyclists weren't doing
    anything particularly dangerous. The danger wasn't from cycling, it was from
    the motorist and it would appear the motorist was not travelling at a speed
    in which he could safely stop. That's the danger

    Well, I don't know. I recently had to commute 52 miles a day. Durating
    rush house one thin country roads. I've cycled for years, and love it,
    but the combination of the rush hour traffic, dark and wind made me
    feel i was doing something very dangerous. I just got fed up with
    wondering whether the next car would see me/give me enough space, so I
    choose to stop.

  15. in message <[email hidden]>,

    naked_draughtsman (') said:


    Andrew Templeman said:

    One of the cyclists, Mel Vasey, was hit directly from behind and thrown
    over the car. He was unconscious and suffered cardiac arrest. Due to the
    attention of a passing Aldi lorry driver,

    Did the lorry driver then reverse over the renault?

    How on earth can a car run into the back of a group of cyclists at such
    speed to cause such devastation? I mean it's not 9am now and cloudy
    today but more than light enough to see a cyclist in front of you.

    From the description, driving too fast when dazzled by the sun. Not
    acceptable, I now - but it happens.

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

    Morning had broken, and there was nothing we could do but wait
    patiently for the RAC to arrive.

  16. Mark said:

    Well, I don't know. I recently had to commute 52 miles a day. Durating
    rush house one thin country roads. I've cycled for years, and love it,
    but the combination of the rush hour traffic, dark and wind made me
    feel i was doing something very dangerous.

    Potentially dangerous, certainly, but then so is driving and walking.

    Pete.
    --
    Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
    Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
    Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
    net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

  17. Mark said:
    spindrift said:
    Mark said:

    Andrew Templeman wrote:
    > This morning, shortly after 9am, three cyclists were very close to the
    > Eureka cafe at Two Mills planning to meet their clubmates for a Sunday
    > morning run.
    >
    > <http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?lat=53.262&lon=-2.9784&scale=200
    > 000&icon=x>
    >
    > They were riding in a south-easterly direction into the low morning sun,
    > when two of the riders were hit from behind by a Renault Clio.
    >
    > One of the cyclists, Mel Vasey, was hit directly from behind and thrown
    > over the car. He was unconscious and suffered cardiac arrest. Due to the
    > attention of a passing Aldi lorry driver, he was still alive when the
    > ambulance arrived. Due to the severity of his injuries, Mel later died
    > in hospital. He will be a great loss to the local cycling community. He
    > was a proprietor of Quins Cycles in Liverpool, and well known and liked
    > in the area.
    >
    > The other rider involved in the collision, Danny McDonough, sustained a
    > broken hip and was undergoing x-rays to determine the extent of further
    > injuries.
    >
    > A sad day for my club.
    >
    > Andy Templeman, Birkenhead North End Cycling Club
    > <http://www.bnecc.co.uk>
    >
    >
    > --
    > Andy Templeman <http://www.templeman.org.uk/>

    Terribly terribly sorry to hear that.

    It's so sad such a wonderful sport can be so dangerous.

    15 January 2007
    GET TOUGH ON KILLER MOTORISTS
    By Rosa Prince
    MINISTERS were urged yesterday to stop killer drivers getting away with
    a slap on the wrists.

    Robert Gifford, of campaign group Parliamentary Advisory Council for
    Transport Safety, said it was a scandal that they could get away with a
    fine.

    The maximum is two years for dangerous driving or five years for death
    by dangerous driving.

    Mr Gifford said prosecutors are often reluctant to bring the most
    serious charges and those jailed get an average 18 months.

    http://tinyurl.com/tyqtv

    Couldn't agree more - the punishment should fit the crime, which at the
    moment it clearly doesn't, not be a long chalk!

    I'm sure (would hope) that the driver in question spends the rest of
    their life feeling like [censored], but that doesn't help the poor cyclist or
    their family 🙁

    Personally, I wear a helmet, have multiple lights, hi-viz jacket and
    take great care, but I can't help other people's stupidity, much as I'd
    love to. I sometimes find myself wondering if life is too precious to
    risk on the road... I have to keep reminding myself it's still
    relatively safe and a life of being wrapped in cotton wool would not be
    much of a life.

    I may be being unpleasantly cycnical here but I'm not always convinced
    with the "wracked by guilt" suggestions after a driver kills someone.

    I'm probably wrong but I feel that even if genuine, remorse should not
    be a mitigating factor.

    I think it may well be the case that someone who makes a conscious
    decision to drive drunk, drugged or at stupid speeds is unlikely to be
    guilt-striken should the entirely predictable result of their actions
    be another person's death.

  18. Peter Clinch said:
    Mark said:

    Well, I don't know. I recently had to commute 52 miles a day. Durating
    rush house one thin country roads. I've cycled for years, and love it,
    but the combination of the rush hour traffic, dark and wind made me
    feel i was doing something very dangerous.

    Potentially dangerous, certainly, but then so is driving and walking.

    Pete.
    --
    Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
    Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
    Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
    net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

    Totally agree. I guess everyone pays their money and takes their
    chances.

    Makes me angry when someone else takes my chances though! Certainly the
    punishment should fit the crime.

  19. Mark said:
    spindrift said:
    Mark said:

    Andrew Templeman wrote:
    > This morning, shortly after 9am, three cyclists were very close to the
    > Eureka cafe at Two Mills planning to meet their clubmates for a Sunday
    > morning run.
    >
    > <http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?lat=53.262&lon=-2.9784&scale=200
    > 000&icon=x>
    >
    > They were riding in a south-easterly direction into the low morning sun,
    > when two of the riders were hit from behind by a Renault Clio.
    >
    > One of the cyclists, Mel Vasey, was hit directly from behind and thrown
    > over the car. He was unconscious and suffered cardiac arrest. Due to the
    > attention of a passing Aldi lorry driver, he was still alive when the
    > ambulance arrived. Due to the severity of his injuries, Mel later died
    > in hospital. He will be a great loss to the local cycling community. He
    > was a proprietor of Quins Cycles in Liverpool, and well known and liked
    > in the area.
    >
    > The other rider involved in the collision, Danny McDonough, sustained a
    > broken hip and was undergoing x-rays to determine the extent of further
    > injuries.
    >
    > A sad day for my club.
    >
    > Andy Templeman, Birkenhead North End Cycling Club
    > <http://www.bnecc.co.uk>
    >
    >
    > --
    > Andy Templeman <http://www.templeman.org.uk/>

    Terribly terribly sorry to hear that.

    It's so sad such a wonderful sport can be so dangerous.

    15 January 2007
    GET TOUGH ON KILLER MOTORISTS
    By Rosa Prince
    MINISTERS were urged yesterday to stop killer drivers getting away with
    a slap on the wrists.

    Robert Gifford, of campaign group Parliamentary Advisory Council for
    Transport Safety, said it was a scandal that they could get away with a
    fine.

    The maximum is two years for dangerous driving or five years for death
    by dangerous driving.

    Mr Gifford said prosecutors are often reluctant to bring the most
    serious charges and those jailed get an average 18 months.

    http://tinyurl.com/tyqtv

    Couldn't agree more - the punishment should fit the crime, which at the
    moment it clearly doesn't, not be a long chalk!

    I'm sure (would hope) that the driver in question spends the rest of
    their life feeling like [censored], but that doesn't help the poor cyclist or
    their family 🙁

    Personally, I wear a helmet, have multiple lights, hi-viz jacket and
    take great care, but I can't help other people's stupidity, much as I'd
    love to. I sometimes find myself wondering if life is too precious to
    risk on the road... I have to keep reminding myself it's still
    relatively safe and a life of being wrapped in cotton wool would not be
    much of a life.

    Well, I would hope any decent human would feel like absolute filth for
    hitting a cyclist because of a mistake they had made.

    I drive too, and know that there are times when I am not as aware as
    others - I don't drive drunk or drugged, but I do drive after a long
    days work, or a big meal or maybe not such a good sleep, or with a lot
    on my mind. There are times when I cannot be said to be 100% focussed
    on the road ahead, and it's definately the case that cyclists require
    more thought from drivers - this makes them more vulnerable.

    I would consider myself to be a good driver (in no small part owing to
    the fact that I cycle a lot, and have a highened awareness of the
    dangers), not wanting to be boastful, but if I knew all drivers where
    as good as I am, I would be very happy to risk cycling at all times and
    conditions and on all roads. Unfortunately, I don't believe this is the
    case - there is no black and white, only shades of grey - people vary
    enormously, and depending on the situation, this makes me feel more or
    less like I am doing a dangerous thing.

  20. Martin Dann posted:

    Quoted message said:

    http://preview.tinyurl.com/yanwms

    I found it horrific that another cyclist was quoted as saying: "The road
    is very dangerous at that point as there is no cycle track along there".
    I hope it's a misquote.

    I think if I had been one of the victims I'd also be deeply offended by
    someone effectively telling me I should have stuck to routes with cycle
    tracks for my own safety.

    --
    Danny Colyer <URL:http://www.colyer.plus.com/danny/>
    Reply address is valid, but that on my website is checked more often
    "He who dares not offend cannot be honest." - Thomas Paine

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