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  1. As some of you may know , today is the 200th aniversary of the battle of Trafalgar : when 27 ships of the British navy fought a navel battle against a combined fleet of Spanish and French warships . The British won a decisive victory , sinking 22 enemy ships with no loses to themselves ( casualties amongst the crews being 449 - and as the British flagship Victory , still to be seen at Portsmouth harbour , alone carried a crew of about 850 - this will have to be considered light in the circumstances ) with the exception of the death of the admiral commanding , Lord Nelson , at the hands of snipers .
    Now while the napoleonic wars were to drag on for another ten years , from this point on Napoleon was doomed : why ? because while the British now controled the seas literally world wide and could trade and generate the money and supplies worldwide ( income tax was invented about now ) needed to fight the war the French could only assetstrip the countries that they occupied .
    This suppremacy of the seas was to go uncontested until 1914 , more than a 100 years later , when the British were challenged by the German Imperial navy - except for a few minor engagments - just once , at Jutland , where the fleets fought out a bloody draw ( the British losiing a number of capital ships to a stupid design flaw - look up what happened to HMS Hood in WW2 ) after which the Germans never left port again .

    So ...
    What we have is a very important date for the British and on this bicentenary there are ships from 32 countries taking part in the celebrations including the French and Spanish navies ( why ? I don´t know ) and what is the American navy sending to their principal supporter in Iraq ? the coast guard ship Eagle ( a training ship , crew 14 ) !!!!!
    even the Irish sent the Le Eithne ( patrol boat , crew 73 plus 8 aircrew ) , the French sent an aircraftcarrier and a destroyer , the Spanish sent a miniaircraftcarrier and a frigate -
    so ..
    Why are the US p*ssing on their allies again ? it does show either a total lack of sensitivity or an arrogance that explains their lack of popularity in the world and in Europe in particular - even the Japonese sent 2 destroyers and a training ship ( crew 389 ) and they can´t have been " in the area " and dropped in for tea ; you´d think the largest navy in the world would have had something bigger in the area wouldn´t you ( by the way the Russians sent a destroyer and a training yacht , crew 249 ) 😕

  2. I can't claim to know much about the US Navy's participation in Trafalgar 200 but according to their web site:

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    NAPLES, Italy (NNS) -- Approximately 1,000 U.S. Sailors and Marines from USS Saipan (LHA 2) are participating in Trafalgar 200 commemorative events in Portsmouth, England, June 23-28.

    The festival commemorates Adm. Lord Nelson and the 200th anniversary of the Battle of Trafalgar.

    USS Saipan visit to Portsmouth for the Trafalgar 200 celebrations symbolizes U.S. appreciation of the time-tested relationship between our two countries," said Commander, U.S. 6th Fleet, Vice Adm. J. Boomer Stufflebeem. "The United Kingdom's legacy as an enduring ally is indisputable, and British contributions to international operations have been and will continue to be fundamental to our shared success."...

    news.navy.mildisplay.asp

  3. gpriatko said:

    I can't claim to know much about the US Navy's participation in Trafalgar 200 but according to their web site:

    news.navy.mildisplay.asp

    thought data I had was correct ( sunday´s paper ) if wrong , and it seems I am then apologies , it did seem strange to just send an overgrown rowboat when there were so many ships available .

  4. el Inglés said:

    thought data I had was correct ( sunday´s paper ) if wrong , and it seems I am then apologies , it did seem strange to just send an overgrown rowboat when there were so many ships available .

    Maybe we will also have a few of our "Boomers" (nuclear missile subs) which always wait in readyness in the waters off your coast, blow ballast and surface just to let you know that we are there. Our comittment to our greatest and most respected ally is real and present with regard to our Navy, not just a matter of the symbolic presence of a "tall ship" on a date of historical significance.

  5. p38lightning said:

    Maybe we will also have a few of our "Boomers" (nuclear missile subs) which always wait in readyness in the waters off your coast, blow ballast and surface just to let you know that we are there. Our comittment to our greatest and most respected ally is real and present with regard to our Navy, not just a matter of the symbolic presence of a "tall ship" on a date of historical significance.


    Well said. HHRUMPH!! HHRUMPH!!

  6. el Inglés said:

    thought data I had was correct ( sunday´s paper ) if wrong...

    I don't understand why Euro press goes out of its way to paint the US in as bad of a light as possible.

  7. I just love events that celebrate the French having their ass kicked (or saved) by the British.

    When is the Agincourt re-enactment?

  8. Yojimbo_ said:

    I just love events that celebrate the French having their ass kicked (or saved) by the British.

    When is the Agincourt re-enactment?


    Nevermind that, I can't wait to see what happens to the French now that Oprah is [censored] at 'em. She ain't above goin' ghetto on all they asses.

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