Traction question for pool running

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David said:

Dear Group
Am hoping for ideas to help us in our pool centre - we have classes for aqua
aerobics and one of the main exercises is running in our lap pool for
purposes of fitness, rehab etc. Problem is the pool floor is tiled and
doesn't allow any reasonable traction so lots of slipping. Any suggestions
for overcoming this problem would be appreciated.

David Harris
Brisbane Australia

Wear shoes.

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In article <[email hidden]>,

David said:

Dear Group
Am hoping for ideas to help us in our pool centre - we have classes for

aqua

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aerobics and one of the main exercises is running in our lap pool for
purposes of fitness, rehab etc. Problem is the pool floor is tiled and
doesn't allow any reasonable traction so lots of slipping. Any

suggestions

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for overcoming this problem would be appreciated.

David Harris
Brisbane Australia

Wear shoes.

Thanks Martin - do you know if it really works as we tried a divers shoe it
with a certain tread and it didn't work well.

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In article <[email hidden]>,

David said:

Dear Group
Am hoping for ideas to help us in our pool centre - we have classes for

aqua

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aerobics and one of the main exercises is running in our lap pool for
purposes of fitness, rehab etc. Problem is the pool floor is tiled and
doesn't allow any reasonable traction so lots of slipping. Any

suggestions

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for overcoming this problem would be appreciated.

David Harris
Brisbane Australia

Wear shoes.

Thanks Martin - do you know if it really works as we tried a divers shoe it
with a certain tread and it didn't work well.

I'm guessing. Diving boots are not designed for traction, so I'm not
surprised they don't help. I expect running shoes will work better, but
it will be a function of the person's weight and mass and the depth of
the water. The deeper the water, the less traction.

I assume, when you say running, you mean actual running, which implies
having both feet off the ground at some point. I would change the
concept to be more like race walking, which would keep one foot on the
ground at all times, and for a longer time, less up and down motion,
more constant forward motion. That would allow more time to squeeze the
water into the tread channels under the shoe.

On the other hand, you could change it to more of a "prancing" motion,
where the runner springs off each foot for distance rather than speed.
This would mean more of a leap up on each step, like the take-off in the
triple-jump event.

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"David" <[email hidden]> wrote:

> Dear Group
> Am hoping for ideas to help us in our pool centre - we have classes

for

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aqua

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> aerobics and one of the main exercises is running in our lap pool

for

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> purposes of fitness, rehab etc. Problem is the pool floor is tiled

and

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> doesn't allow any reasonable traction so lots of slipping. Any

suggestions

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> for overcoming this problem would be appreciated.
>
> David Harris
> Brisbane Australia

Wear shoes.

Thanks Martin - do you know if it really works as we tried a divers shoe

it

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with a certain tread and it didn't work well.

I'm guessing. Diving boots are not designed for traction, so I'm not
surprised they don't help. I expect running shoes will work better, but
it will be a function of the person's weight and mass and the depth of
the water. The deeper the water, the less traction.

Thanks will try other shoes however the diving boots did have a tread simlar
to running shoes.

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I assume, when you say running, you mean actual running, which implies
having both feet off the ground at some point.

yes actual running -

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I would change the
concept to be more like race walking,

good idea will try it

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which would keep one foot on the
ground at all times, and for a longer time, less up and down motion,
more constant forward motion. That would allow more time to squeeze the
water into the tread channels under the shoe.

On the other hand, you could change it to more of a "prancing" motion,
where the runner springs off each foot for distance rather than speed.
This would mean more of a leap up on each step, like the take-off in the
triple-jump event.

Good points thanks - will experiment till we get it right as you say it may
be a matter of modifying the movement through the water. Hopefully will find
a better shoe as well

Things are different in Australia than they are here in Philadelphia,
PA. Here we wear large floatation belts when we jog in the pool. Our
feet never touch the pool bottom. Actually, the really serious
athletes seem to jog in the deep end and are tethered while they go
through the jogging motions.

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Things are different in Australia than they are here in Philadelphia,
PA. Here we wear large floatation belts when we jog in the pool. Our
feet never touch the pool bottom. Actually, the really serious
athletes seem to jog in the deep end and are tethered while they go
through the jogging motions.

LOL! (in this country we prefer to get some impact from running - get a
better workout that way - besides this pool has no deep end, it;s all around
4.5' deep)

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Things are different in Australia than they are here in Philadelphia,
PA. Here we wear large floatation belts when we jog in the pool. Our
feet never touch the pool bottom. Actually, the really serious
athletes seem to jog in the deep end and are tethered while they go
through the jogging motions.

LOL! (in this country we prefer to get some impact from running - get a
better workout that way - besides this pool has no deep end, it;s all around
4.5' deep)

I've run in both shallow and deep water with and without a belt. The
only way I got any impact at all was if the water was very shallow.
With or without belt, running without touching bottom provided the
better cardio workout by far. They're quite different exercises, each
with its own merits. I didn't need the traction because the push seemed
to be more up than forward.

Ruth Kazez

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Things are different in Australia than they are here in Philadelphia,
PA. Here we wear large floatation belts when we jog in the pool. Our
feet never touch the pool bottom. Actually, the really serious
athletes seem to jog in the deep end and are tethered while they go
through the jogging motions.

LOL! (in this country we prefer to get some impact from running - get a
better workout that way - besides this pool has no deep end, it;s all around
4.5' deep)

The floatation belt suggest using the opposite, a diver's weight belt.

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Things are different in Australia than they are here in Philadelphia,
PA. Here we wear large floatation belts when we jog in the pool. Our
feet never touch the pool bottom. Actually, the really serious
athletes seem to jog in the deep end and are tethered while they go
through the jogging motions.

LOL! (in this country we prefer to get some impact from running - get a
better workout that way - besides this pool has no deep end, it;s all

around

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4.5' deep)

I've run in both shallow and deep water with and without a belt. The
only way I got any impact at all was if the water was very shallow.
With or without belt, running without touching bottom provided the
better cardio workout by far. They're quite different exercises, each
with its own merits. I didn't need the traction because the push seemed
to be more up than forward.

Ruth Kazez

OK, but there is no deep end with this pool - water comes up chest high. So
can't use a belt if I am getting this right

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Things are different in Australia than they are here in Philadelphia,
PA. Here we wear large floatation belts when we jog in the pool. Our
feet never touch the pool bottom. Actually, the really serious
athletes seem to jog in the deep end and are tethered while they go
through the jogging motions.

LOL! (in this country we prefer to get some impact from running - get a
better workout that way - besides this pool has no deep end, it;s all

around

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4.5' deep)

The floatation belt suggest using the opposite, a diver's weight belt.

Now that's an idea! Never thought of a weighted belt - I'll check out if
that works and thanks for that

David:

What Ruth is suggesting is that when you run in the shallow end, you
don't try to push back with your feet. What happens is that people are
trying to push the chest forward and lean on the water while the feet
kick back. Since the body weight is not on the feet and they are sort
of falling forward, the feet will slide.

What they should try to do is run by lifting knees up trying to keep
the torso straight and on top of the feet.

Andres

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>Things are different in Australia than they are here in Philadelphia,
>PA. Here we wear large floatation belts when we jog in the pool. Our
>feet never touch the pool bottom. Actually, the really serious
>athletes seem to jog in the deep end and are tethered while they go
>through the jogging motions.

LOL! (in this country we prefer to get some impact from running - get a
better workout that way - besides this pool has no deep end, it;s all

around

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4.5' deep)

I've run in both shallow and deep water with and without a belt. The
only way I got any impact at all was if the water was very shallow.
With or without belt, running without touching bottom provided the
better cardio workout by far. They're quite different exercises, each
with its own merits. I didn't need the traction because the push seemed
to be more up than forward.

Ruth Kazez

OK, but there is no deep end with this pool - water comes up chest high. So
can't use a belt if I am getting this right

So I guess that means running without much forward propulsion i.e. virtually
in step - like running on a mini trampoline but with some forward motion. I
guess that should be ok -
Thanks Andres

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David:

What Ruth is suggesting is that when you run in the shallow end, you
don't try to push back with your feet. What happens is that people are
trying to push the chest forward and lean on the water while the feet
kick back. Since the body weight is not on the feet and they are sort
of falling forward, the feet will slide.

What they should try to do is run by lifting knees up trying to keep
the torso straight and on top of the feet.

Andres

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>>Things are different in Australia than they are here in

Philadelphia,

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>>PA. Here we wear large floatation belts when we jog in the pool.

Our

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>>feet never touch the pool bottom. Actually, the really serious
>>athletes seem to jog in the deep end and are tethered while they go
>>through the jogging motions.
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> LOL! (in this country we prefer to get some impact from running -

get a

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> better workout that way - besides this pool has no deep end, it;s

all

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around

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> 4.5' deep)
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I've run in both shallow and deep water with and without a belt. The
only way I got any impact at all was if the water was very shallow.
With or without belt, running without touching bottom provided the
better cardio workout by far. They're quite different exercises, each
with its own merits. I didn't need the traction because the push

seemed

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to be more up than forward.

Ruth Kazez

OK, but there is no deep end with this pool - water comes up chest high.

So

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can't use a belt if I am getting this right

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Things are different in Australia than they are here in Philadelphia,
PA. Here we wear large floatation belts when we jog in the pool. Our
feet never touch the pool bottom. Actually, the really serious
athletes seem to jog in the deep end and are tethered while they go
through the jogging motions.

LOL! (in this country we prefer to get some impact from running - get a
better workout that way - besides this pool has no deep end, it;s all

around

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4.5' deep)

The floatation belt suggest using the opposite, a diver's weight belt.

Just got hold of one - around 30 lbs of weights - works very well - gives
just the amount of traction to get a good run - so thanks Martin for a damn
good idea!

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> Things are different in Australia than they are here in Philadelphia,
> PA. Here we wear large floatation belts when we jog in the pool. Our
> feet never touch the pool bottom. Actually, the really serious
> athletes seem to jog in the deep end and are tethered while they go
> through the jogging motions.

LOL! (in this country we prefer to get some impact from running - get a
better workout that way - besides this pool has no deep end, it;s all

around

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4.5' deep)

The floatation belt suggest using the opposite, a diver's weight belt.

Just got hold of one - around 30 lbs of weights - works very well - gives
just the amount of traction to get a good run - so thanks Martin for a damn
good idea!

I'll expect a free workout, when I move back to Australia. 8-)

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>> Things are different in Australia than they are here in

Philadelphia,

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>> PA. Here we wear large floatation belts when we jog in the pool.

Our

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>> feet never touch the pool bottom. Actually, the really serious
>> athletes seem to jog in the deep end and are tethered while they go
>> through the jogging motions.
>
>LOL! (in this country we prefer to get some impact from running -

get a

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>better workout that way - besides this pool has no deep end, it;s all

around

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>4.5' deep)

The floatation belt suggest using the opposite, a diver's weight belt.

Just got hold of one - around 30 lbs of weights - works very well -

gives

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just the amount of traction to get a good run - so thanks Martin for a

damn

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good idea!

I'll expect a free workout, when I move back to Australia. 8-)

Damn right! What city will you be moving to?

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Philadelphia,

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> >> PA. Here we wear large floatation belts when we jog in the pool.

Our

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> >> feet never touch the pool bottom. Actually, the really serious
> >> athletes seem to jog in the deep end and are tethered while they go
> >> through the jogging motions.
> >
> >LOL! (in this country we prefer to get some impact from running -

get a

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> >better workout that way - besides this pool has no deep end, it;s all
around
> >4.5' deep)
>
> The floatation belt suggest using the opposite, a diver's weight belt.

Just got hold of one - around 30 lbs of weights - works very well -

gives

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just the amount of traction to get a good run - so thanks Martin for a

damn

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good idea!

I'll expect a free workout, when I move back to Australia. 8-)

Damn right! What city will you be moving to?

Probably Adelaide. That's where I lived before. But I'm considering
Perth. They have the best acquatics complex I've ever seen.

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Philadelphia,

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> > >> PA. Here we wear large floatation belts when we jog in the

pool.

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Our

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> > >> feet never touch the pool bottom. Actually, the really serious
> > >> athletes seem to jog in the deep end and are tethered while they

go

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> > >> through the jogging motions.
> > >
> > >LOL! (in this country we prefer to get some impact from running -

get a

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> > >better workout that way - besides this pool has no deep end, it;s

all

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> around
> > >4.5' deep)
> >
> > The floatation belt suggest using the opposite, a diver's weight

belt.

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>
> Just got hold of one - around 30 lbs of weights - works very well -

gives

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> just the amount of traction to get a good run - so thanks Martin for

a

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damn

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> good idea!

I'll expect a free workout, when I move back to Australia. 8-)

Damn right! What city will you be moving to?

Probably Adelaide. That's where I lived before. But I'm considering
Perth. They have the best acquatics complex I've ever seen.

Is it much nicer than the aquatic centre in North Adelaide?

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> > > >> Things are different in Australia than they are here in
Philadelphia,
> > > >> PA. Here we wear large floatation belts when we jog in the

pool.

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Our
> > > >> feet never touch the pool bottom. Actually, the really serious
> > > >> athletes seem to jog in the deep end and are tethered while they

go

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> > > >> through the jogging motions.
> > > >
> > > >LOL! (in this country we prefer to get some impact from running -
get a
> > > >better workout that way - besides this pool has no deep end, it;s

all

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> > around
> > > >4.5' deep)
> > >
> > > The floatation belt suggest using the opposite, a diver's weight

belt.

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> > Just got hold of one - around 30 lbs of weights - works very well -
gives
> > just the amount of traction to get a good run - so thanks Martin for

a

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damn
> > good idea!
>
> I'll expect a free workout, when I move back to Australia. 8-)

Damn right! What city will you be moving to?

Probably Adelaide. That's where I lived before. But I'm considering
Perth. They have the best acquatics complex I've ever seen.

Is it much nicer than the aquatic centre in North Adelaide?

Yes. North Adelaide only has the one pool, which is indoors. It's
excellent, but the Perth center has three 50 meter pools, one indoors
and two outdoors. It is heaven for serious swimmers.

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>> > > >> PA. Here we wear large floatation belts when we jog in the

pool.

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serious

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they

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running -

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it;s

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all

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weight

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belt.

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>> > Just got hold of one - around 30 lbs of weights - works very

well -

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>gives
>> > just the amount of traction to get a good run - so thanks Martin

for

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>damn
>> > good idea!
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>> I'll expect a free workout, when I move back to Australia. 8-)
>
>Damn right! What city will you be moving to?

Probably Adelaide. That's where I lived before. But I'm considering
Perth. They have the best acquatics complex I've ever seen.

Is it much nicer than the aquatic centre in North Adelaide?

Yes. North Adelaide only has the one pool, which is indoors. It's
excellent, but the Perth center has three 50 meter pools, one indoors
and two outdoors. It is heaven for serious swimmers.

Yes I can see that - plus it's much nicer to swim in the sunshine when it's
warm enought. (plus you have *real* beaches in Perth!)