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  1. Feeling well knackered after yesterday's hurried walk with an excessively heavy daysack, I slept
    until midday and was in no mood for any kind of serious walk today, or any kind of walk at all in
    fact. But since I've made this project public there's no backing out now, so I bit the bullet and
    got the walk over with as soon as possible. Equipment? Nah, who needs equipment? I was carrying far
    too much yesterday. Soddit, let's just take the digital camera and the GPS, everything else is
    superfluous.

    Waterfalls? No, I went there yesterday? Beacons? Too hard. I suppose that leaves the Gower. Okay
    then, with a total lack of imagination I decided to continue from where I left off on day one, at
    Langland Bay. Overcast? Ah well, not much chance of any decent photos then. Let's just make this a
    walk. And a quick one at that.

    Parked the car at Langland Bay, started walking. It started raining. Great! I was travelling so
    light I didn't even think of bringing waterproofs! Ah well, it's only water, it won't kill me. After
    walking for a hundred yards I checked my pockets. No car key! What's going on here? Ah well, let's
    go back to the car. To my surprise the door was unlocked and the key was still in the ignition. Am I
    going senile in my old age?

    Right, so I started the walk again. Got the hill out of the way first. Passing the golf course. A
    number of golfers around. No one seemed annoyed or irate. What was wrong with these people? Why were
    they so tolerant of a walker passing by? They did a very good job of not appearing to wait until I
    passed before playing the hole, and gave no negative indications in my direction.

    To my surprise the sun appeared, but only nominally. Scattering a few rays here and there but
    nothing of any consequence. Most important was that the rain stopped. It was quite breezy though.

    A little later I reached Caswell Bay, beloved of summer sunbathers, but now occupied only by dog
    walkers, beach combers and a strange guy on a roller skateboard speeding around the beach propelled
    by means of a large kite, or small paraglider. I snapped a number of photos of this strange
    phenomenon, mostly bad. Getting the exposure right was the trickiest thing as he sped from the shady
    part of the beach to the backlit part of the beach. Clearly I don't have the brains to switch from
    manual to auto.

    The surfers were out in force, of course. With the wind up the waves were doing interesting things.
    I made my way around the bay and found a nice rock on which to set up my diddy tripod, for purposes
    of taking some pink and purple photographs. As I waited for the 30 second exposures to complete the
    tide tried to get my feet wet, but I was too quick for it, leaping up onto the rocks with great
    dexterity.

    After the infrared session I took a few more mundane snaps of the waves before planning my next
    moves. Clearly I was now cut off by the tide and so a pleasant stroll along the beach was no longer
    an option. But what's that I see? A steeply sloping rock face? Great! A bit of scrambling to liven
    up the journey. But it was too easy. Should I make my way up to the path? Nah, let's stay on the
    rocks and hone my balancing skills. As I progressed I found my speed and confidence increasing. It's
    been many a year since I've done any rock hopping, and damn good fun it was too. Perhaps the fact
    that I was wearing Hi-Tec trainers rather than boots helped with this activity?

    Once I reached the path, a fairly rapid plod brought me back to Langland in prompt time. Starting to
    rain again but who cared? A short but actually quite pleasant day out, much better than I'd
    anticipated.

    Distance: 4.5km - Ascent: 120m - Effort Rating: 5.7 - Duration: 1 hour 33 minutes

    Paul
    --
    The October Project 2003
    wildwales.fsnet.co.ukoctober.html
    wilderness-wales.co.ukwilderness-wales.co.uk

    photosig.comuserphotos

  2. Oh, did I forget to mention the link...
    wildwales.fsnet.co.ukoctober09.html

    Days 7 and 8 are complete now too.

    Paul
    --
    The October Project 2003
    wildwales.fsnet.co.ukoctober.html
    wilderness-wales.co.ukwilderness-wales.co.uk
    photosig.comuserphotos

  3. In article <[email hidden]>, Paul Saunders <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:


    The surfers were out in force, of course. With the wind up the waves were doing interesting things.
    I made my way around the bay and found a nice rock on which to set up my diddy tripod, for purposes
    of taking some pink and purple photographs. As I waited for the 30 second exposures to complete the
    tide tried to get my feet wet, but I was too quick for it, leaping up onto the rocks with great
    dexterity.

    After the infrared session

    Ah, that's what you're on about. But 30 seconds! What's the camera you're using? I get brilliant IRs
    with my Canon A20 at 1/4 second or so.

    I wouldn't have thought of IRs of beaches, though. I've only tried landscapes and gardens. What on a
    beach reflects IR light?

    Bernard Hill Selkirk, Scotland

  4. Hi Paul,

    "Paul Saunders" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Feeling well knackered after yesterday's hurried walk with an excessively heavy daysack, I slept
    until midday and was in no mood for any kind of serious walk today, or any kind of walk at all in
    fact. But since I've made this project public there's no backing out now, so I bit the bullet and
    got the walk over with as soon as possible. Equipment? Nah, who needs equipment? I was carrying
    far too much yesterday. Soddit, let's just take the digital camera and the GPS, everything else is
    superfluous.

    That's it Paul, you've made your project public so we're all lurking in the background keeping an
    eye on how you're doing! ;o) Not that you're under any pressure of course...

    Quoted message said:

    Parked the car at Langland Bay, started walking. It started raining. Great! I was travelling so
    light I didn't even think of bringing waterproofs! Ah well, it's only water, it won't kill me.
    After walking for a hundred yards I checked my pockets. No car key! What's going on here? Ah well,
    let's go back to the car. To my surprise the door was unlocked and the key was still in the
    ignition. Am I going senile in my old age?

    I bet your heart sank when you seen that your car was still there! ;o)

    Quoted message said:

    A little later I reached Caswell Bay, beloved of summer sunbathers, but now occupied only by dog
    walkers, beach combers and a strange guy on a roller skateboard speeding around the beach
    propelled by means of a large kite, or small paraglider. I snapped a number of photos of this
    strange phenomenon, mostly bad. Getting the exposure right was the trickiest thing as he sped from
    the shady part of the beach to the backlit part of the beach. Clearly I don't have the brains to
    switch from manual to auto.

    There you go, Auto, Landscape and Portrait have their uses! ;o)

    Quoted message said:

    The surfers were out in force, of course. With the wind up the waves were doing interesting
    things. I made my way around the bay and found a nice rock on which to set up my diddy tripod, for
    purposes of taking some pink and purple photographs. As I waited for the 30 second exposures to
    complete the tide tried to get my feet wet, but I was too quick for it, leaping up onto the rocks
    with great dexterity.

    30 seconds from your G3? Or do you have a different digital camera?

    Quoted message said:

    After the infrared session I took a few more mundane snaps of the waves before planning my next
    moves. Clearly I was now cut off by the tide and so a pleasant stroll along the beach was no
    longer an option. But what's that I see? A steeply sloping rock face? Great! A bit of scrambling
    to liven up the journey. But it was too easy. Should I make my way up to the path? Nah, let's stay
    on the rocks and hone my balancing skills. As I progressed I found my speed and confidence
    increasing. It's been many a year since I've done any rock hopping, and damn good fun it was too.
    Perhaps the fact that I was wearing Hi-Tec trainers rather than boots helped with this activity?

    You want to be careful with your rock climbing! This is only day 9 remember, save the scary stuff
    until later in the month! ;o)

    Quoted message said:

    Once I reached the path, a fairly rapid plod brought me back to Langland in prompt time. Starting
    to rain again but who cared? A short but actually quite pleasant day out, much better than I'd
    anticipated.

    Did you take any photos with a plastic bag cover over your camera in the rain? Did it work okay?

    Quoted message said:

    Distance: 4.5km - Ascent: 120m - Effort Rating: 5.7 - Duration: 1 hour 33 minutes

    Paul

    Excellent stuff, day 9 and so far so good; and nice photo of course!

    Regards,

    Stephen

  5. In article <[email hidden]>, Paul Saunders <[email hidden]> writes

    [TR snipped]

    I've just got one question. How can you take a complete month off work?

    Bernard Hill Selkirk, Scotland

  6. In article <[email hidden]>, Paul Saunders <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:
    Bernard Hill said:
    Quoted message said:

    After the infrared session

    Ah, that's what you're on about. But 30 seconds!

    Yep, that's a 15 second exposure with a further 15 second noise reduction exposure (automatically
    kicks in with exposures longer than 1 second).

    Quoted message said:

    What's the camera you're using?

    Canon G3.

    Quoted message said:

    I get brilliant IRs with my Canon A20 at 1/4 second or so.

    Jeez, how do you get such a fast shutter speed?

    Well it was bright sunlight (all my IRs are). It is presumably because there is no IR filter in the
    camera. It gives *much* better IR shots than any of my other digitals. The A20 is a cheap point-and-
    shoot with no control over exposure. It's only when I look at the Exif data I find out what the
    speed was. And of course the aperture was f/2.8

    (What the benefits of an IR filter are is not clear to me)

    Quoted message said:

    The fastest I can get, in bright sunshine, is 4 seconds. Mind you I do like to stick with f8 for
    best quality and maximum depth of field, particularly since IR focusing is an issue I'm not
    familiar with.

    Autofocus works fairly well on my A20, as you'd expect. But the low light levels mean that I have to
    focus manually on my E10 and that's guesswork for IR. I have to take lots at varying focussing to
    get any result.

    Quoted message said:

    I did try varying the exposures in some very dark light on day 8, but f2.2 was way out of focus
    and f4 at ISO 400 was very noisy.

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    I wouldn't have thought of IRs of beaches, though. I've only tried landscapes and gardens. What
    on a beach reflects IR light?

    I haven't actually been thinking in those terms, I'm just experimenting at the moment, trying out
    different subjects to see what kind of results I get. I've been surprised at some of the odd
    colours I've had with different subjects, particularly those green mussels at Worms Head;
    wildwales.fsnet.co.ukoctober05.html

    Oh was *that* an IR shot? I thought it was snow.

    Quoted message said:


    I'm still playing around with the colour versions to see how I can manipulate the false colours,
    and there's terrific potential for converting the results to black and white, similar to using a
    red filter but even more extreme. I've often fancied black and white photography but could never
    really get on with it, until now. The results are so different to colour images that they can't be
    directly compared.

    Anyway, those beach photographs don't consist of just sand and water, there's also rocks, mussels
    and grassy headlands in the distance too, so there are plenty of different things in the images for
    the IR filter to have strange effects on. Also, the 15 sec shutter speed creates a seriously misty
    effect on the waves swirling around the rocks,

    ... I think we may have been on that topic before ... <g>

    Quoted message said:

    and I won't for one moment try to suggest that the results are remotely realistic.

    Whew! No argument there then ;-)

    Quoted message said:

    They are true dreamland photographs.

    I'll put up an infrared page soon, showing some of the results I've had so far.

    Would be good.

    Bernard Hill Selkirk, Scotland

  7. In article <[email hidden]>, Paul Saunders <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:
    Bernard Hill said:

    I've just got one question. How can you take a complete month off work?

    I was wondering when someone was going to ask that. The reason is because I've just started my own
    business, doing guess what? Landscape photography of course! :-)

    So I'm not taking time off work, this *is* my work now. Thus this project is also a kind of
    celebration to mark a new beginning. Trouble is, I seem to be spending most of my time taking
    pictures instead of selling them at the moment. :-(

    Paul

    I'm sure we all here wish you the very best of luck.

    Bernard Hill Braeburn Software Author of Music Publisher system Music Software written by musicians
    for musicians braeburn.co.ukbraeburn.co.uk Selkirk, Scotland

  8. In article <[email hidden]>, Paul Rooney <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:
    Bernard Hill said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, Paul Saunders <[email hidden]> writes

    [TR snipped]

    I've just got one question. How can you take a complete month off work?

    In Paul's case, as he says below, it *is* his work. But in any case it's not necessary to take a
    month off. I walk (or run) in the countryside just about every day. If you get your priorities
    right (1. Leisure. 2. Family. 3. Everything else. 4. Work) and plan accordingly, it's all possible.

    Unfortunately when you work for yourself that order gets reversed. Excepting #3 of course...

    Bernard Hill Selkirk, Scotland

  9. In article <[email hidden]>, Paul Saunders <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    After walking for a hundred yards I checked my pockets. No car key! What's going on here? Ah well,
    let's go back to the car. To my surprise the door was unlocked and the key was still in the
    ignition. Am I going senile in my old age?

    Artistic temperament, shirley?

    Russ Clare

  10. Bernard Hill said:

    I've just got one question. How can you take a complete month off work?

    I was wondering when someone was going to ask that. The reason is because I've just started my own
    business, doing guess what? Landscape photography of course! :-)

    So I'm not taking time off work, this *is* my work now. Thus this project is also a kind of
    celebration to mark a new beginning. Trouble is, I seem to be spending most of my time taking
    pictures instead of selling them at the moment. :-(

    Paul
    --
    The October Project 2003
    wildwales.fsnet.co.ukoctober.html
    wilderness-wales.co.ukwilderness-wales.co.uk
    photosig.comuserphotos

  11. Bernard Hill said:
    Quoted message said:

    After the infrared session

    Ah, that's what you're on about. But 30 seconds!

    Yep, that's a 15 second exposure with a further 15 second noise reduction exposure (automatically
    kicks in with exposures longer than 1 second).

    Quoted message said:

    What's the camera you're using?

    Canon G3.

    Quoted message said:

    I get brilliant IRs with my Canon A20 at 1/4 second or so.

    Jeez, how do you get such a fast shutter speed? The fastest I can get, in bright sunshine, is 4
    seconds. Mind you I do like to stick with f8 for best quality and maximum depth of field,
    particularly since IR focusing is an issue I'm not familiar with. I did try varying the exposures in
    some very dark light on day 8, but f2.2 was way out of focus and f4 at ISO 400 was very noisy.

    Quoted message said:

    I wouldn't have thought of IRs of beaches, though. I've only tried landscapes and gardens. What on
    a beach reflects IR light?

    I haven't actually been thinking in those terms, I'm just experimenting at the moment, trying out
    different subjects to see what kind of results I get. I've been surprised at some of the odd colours
    I've had with different subjects, particularly those green mussels at Worms Head;
    wildwales.fsnet.co.ukoctober05.html

    I'm still playing around with the colour versions to see how I can manipulate the false colours,
    and there's terrific potential for converting the results to black and white, similar to using a
    red filter but even more extreme. I've often fancied black and white photography but could never
    really get on with it, until now. The results are so different to colour images that they can't be
    directly compared.

    Anyway, those beach photographs don't consist of just sand and water, there's also rocks, mussels
    and grassy headlands in the distance too, so there are plenty of different things in the images for
    the IR filter to have strange effects on. Also, the 15 sec shutter speed creates a seriously misty
    effect on the waves swirling around the rocks, and I won't for one moment try to suggest that the
    results are remotely realistic. They are true dreamland photographs.

    I'll put up an infrared page soon, showing some of the results I've had so far.

    Paul
    --
    The October Project 2003
    wildwales.fsnet.co.ukoctober.html
    wilderness-wales.co.ukwilderness-wales.co.uk
    photosig.comuserphotos

  12. ste © said:

    That's it Paul, you've made your project public so we're all lurking in the background keeping an
    eye on how you're doing! ;o) Not that you're under any pressure of course...

    But I asked for the pressure.. :-)

    Quoted message said:

    I bet your heart sank when you seen that your car was still there! ;o)

    Yep. I could do with a new one (well a less old old one anyway).

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Clearly I don't have the brains to switch from manual to auto.

    There you go, Auto, Landscape and Portrait have their uses! ;o)

    I suppose so, but even after I realised my error I still continued to struggle with manually
    changing the shutter speed as I was panning. I guess old habits die hard.

    Quoted message said:

    30 seconds from your G3? Or do you have a different digital camera?

    That's the 15 second exposure plus the 15 second noise reduction exposure.

    Quoted message said:

    You want to be careful with your rock climbing! This is only day 9 remember, save the scary stuff
    until later in the month! ;o)

    Nah, that wasn't rock climbing, I could have walked up that with my hands in my pockets (as Adny
    used to say).

    Quoted message said:

    Did you take any photos with a plastic bag cover over your camera in the rain? Did it work okay?

    Haven't tried that yet. I only risked rain shots when it was picking lightly and didn't use it at
    all when it was raining proper.

    Quoted message said:

    Excellent stuff, day 9 and so far so good; and nice photo of course!

    Thanks, I was afraid I wasn't going to get a decent photo yesterday.

    But wait until you see the infrared shots!!!

    Paul
    --
    The October Project 2003
    wildwales.fsnet.co.ukoctober.html
    wilderness-wales.co.ukwilderness-wales.co.uk
    photosig.comuserphotos

  13. Bernard Hill said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, Paul Saunders <[email hidden]> writes

    [TR snipped]

    I've just got one question. How can you take a complete month off work?

    In Paul's case, as he says below, it *is* his work. But in any case it's not necessary to take a
    month off. I walk (or run) in the countryside just about every day. If you get your priorities right
    (1. Leisure. 2. Family. 3. Everything else. 4. Work) and plan accordingly, it's all possible.

    --
    Paul My Lake District walking site (updated 29th September 2003): paulrooney.netfirms.compaulrooney.netfirms.com 114
    Wainwrights

    Please sponsor me for the London Marathon at: justgiving.comlondon2004

  14. "Paul Saunders" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Bernard Hill said:

    I've just got one question. How can you take a complete month off work?

    I was wondering when someone was going to ask that. The reason is because I've just started my own
    business, doing guess what? Landscape photography of course! :-)

    So I'm not taking time off work, this *is* my work now. Thus this project is also a kind of
    celebration to mark a new beginning. Trouble is, I seem to be spending most of my time taking
    pictures instead of selling them at the moment. :-(

    Well done! I hope it all goes well for you.

    You're doing something I'd love to do full time (photography that is, although not necessarily just
    landscapes). I hope to do this in the future.

    Regards, Shaun.

  15. "Paul Saunders" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Bernard Hill said:

    I've just got one question. How can you take a complete month off work?

    I was wondering when someone was going to ask that. The reason is because I've just started my own
    business, doing guess what? Landscape photography of course! :-)

    So I'm not taking time off work, this *is* my work now. Thus this project is also a kind of
    celebration to mark a new beginning. Trouble is, I seem to be spending most of my time taking
    pictures instead of selling them at the moment. :-(

    Paul

    I was thinking the same question! I wish I had the time to do the walks and photography that you do.
    When I get home from work now, it's just about dark. :-( Out of interest, what job did you do before
    you started your own photography business?

    Also, are you doing a website to go with this business? If so, be sure to post the link. I'm working
    on a website myself, but just as an amateur photo gallery, rather than a professional e-commerce
    site (who'd want to buy my photos anyway!). So far, my draft site is www.stephenmciver.com, but it's
    only in the early stages (ie, only a home page), with sample menu buttons that go nowhere etc. I'll
    try and get it up and running in the next few weeks, but I've been having problems learning PHP or
    ASP to make automated galleries. :-( I do all my own HTML code in Notepad, but the other scripting
    languages are too complicated for me at the moment. :-(

    Good luck with it!

    Stephen

  16. Hi Paul,

    "Paul Saunders" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    ste © said:

    I bet your heart sank when you seen that your car was still there! ;o)

    Yep. I could do with a new one (well a less old old one anyway).

    ...but your new film scanner is the priority? Then there's the 300D?...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Clearly I don't have the brains to switch from manual to auto.

    There you go, Auto, Landscape and Portrait have their uses! ;o)

    I suppose so, but even after I realised my error I still continued to struggle with manually
    changing the shutter speed as I was panning. I guess old habits die hard.

    Oh well, I'm sure you'll remember next time, if a similar situation happens again.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    30 seconds from your G3? Or do you have a different digital camera?

    That's the 15 second exposure plus the 15 second noise reduction exposure.

    Quoted message said:

    You want to be careful with your rock climbing! This is only day 9 remember, save the scary
    stuff until later in the month! ;o)

    Nah, that wasn't rock climbing, I could have walked up that with my hands in my pockets (as Adny
    used to say).

    Well it sounded a bit precarious to me! The same goes from your other TR when you climbed onto a
    waterfall ledge... Just take it easy, and pull your hands out of your pockets! :o)

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Did you take any photos with a plastic bag cover over your camera in the rain? Did it work okay?

    Haven't tried that yet. I only risked rain shots when it was picking lightly and didn't use it at
    all when it was raining proper.

    I'm going to put a plastic bag and elastic band in my bag next time I go out, as suggested recently
    in an older post on this group.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Excellent stuff, day 9 and so far so good; and nice photo of course!

    Thanks, I was afraid I wasn't going to get a decent photo yesterday.

    I thought it was a black and white image at first and wondered if the blue bits were enhanced on
    purpose? But it looks like a stormy day with a break in the clouds. It's a beautful shot, and I like
    the wet sand with the lines of 'wettness' leading diagonally through the foreground.

    Quoted message said:

    But wait until you see the infrared shots!!!

    I'll look forward to them!

    Quoted message said:

    Paul

    Regards,

    Stephen

  17. "Paul Rooney" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]

    Quoted message said:

    In Paul's case, as he says below, it *is* his work. But in any case it's not necessary to take a
    month off. I walk (or run) in the countryside just about every day. If you get your priorities
    right (1. Leisure. 2. Family. 3. Everything else. 4. Work) and plan accordingly, it's all
    possible.

    Does Beer fall into Leisure or Everything Else?

    --
    Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - mailgate.orgmailgate.org

  18. Code Developer said:

    Well done! I hope it all goes well for you.

    Thanks a lot.

    Quoted message said:

    You're doing something I'd love to do full time (photography that is, although not necessarily
    just landscapes). I hope to do this in the future.

    Go for it. Start building your photo library straight away.

    Paul
    --
    The October Project 2003
    wildwales.fsnet.co.ukoctober.html
    wilderness-wales.co.ukwilderness-wales.co.uk
    photosig.comuserphotos

  19. Ian Dainty said:

    "Paul Rooney" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]

    Quoted message said:

    In Paul's case, as he says below, it *is* his work. But in any case it's not necessary to take a
    month off. I walk (or run) in the countryside just about every day. If you get your priorities
    right (1. Leisure. 2. Family. 3. Everything else. 4. Work) and plan accordingly, it's all
    possible.

    Does Beer fall into Leisure or Everything Else?

    Beer and disgraceful behaviour of the sort Phil referred to recently are Leisure. Definitely. I mean
    - it's blo*dy obvious, really, innit? Unless we are very, very lucky, and work is our vocation and
    delight, then we only work to get some dosh to do what we want to be doing. I do have some qualms
    about demoting family to 2, but qualms don't do any harm, do they?

    --
    Paul My Lake District walking site (updated 29th September 2003): paulrooney.netfirms.compaulrooney.netfirms.com 114
    Wainwrights

    Please sponsor me for the London Marathon at: justgiving.comlondon2004

  20. "Bernard Hill" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...
    | In article <[email hidden]>, Paul Saunders <[email hidden]> writes
    | >Bernard Hill wrote:
    | >
    | >> I've just got one question. How can you take a complete month off work?
    | >
    | >I was wondering when someone was going to ask that. The reason is because I've just started my
    | >own business, doing guess what? Landscape photography of course! :-)
    | >
    | >So I'm not taking time off work, this *is* my work now. Thus this project is also a kind of
    | >celebration to mark a new beginning. Trouble is, I seem to be spending most of my time taking
    | >pictures instead of selling them at the moment. :-(
    | >
    | >Paul
    |
    | I'm sure we all here wish you the very best of luck.
    |
    |
    | Bernard Hill

    Here here!

    Ste

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