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  1. Weather forecast was good yesterday - bright clear sunshine
    in South Wales, temp 27 degrees, cold front to the north
    moving south but not expected to arrive until evening at
    least. I decided to make an early start to avoid the worst
    of the midday heat. I'd hoped to get going at 5am but was a
    bit late. I didn't start the walk until 6:20pm. It was
    pleasantly sunny and the sky was completely clear. In
    anticipation of another swelteringly hot day I just wore t-
    shirt and shorts.

    From Glyntawe I decided to follow the Afon Haffes, to see if
    that would provide an easier ascent route onto Fan Hir. The
    bouldery valley was quite overgrown with bushes and the
    path, such as it was, wasn't at all obvious. A quick sting
    from some nettles reminded me to pay more attention to what
    I was walking through. A very scenic valley, but not easy
    walking. Unfortunately I was walking in shade since the sun
    wasn't very high yet.

    As I got higher up the valley a chilly breeze from the NW
    swept down it. I hoped that it would be less of a nuisance
    as the day warmed up. At SN834175 I followed a small stream
    north out of the valley and into the sunshine. The breeze
    got even stronger as I emerged from the valley, it felt
    stronger than the 15mph forecast and the sunshine was too
    cool to compensate.

    I then headed vaguely north through reeds and then deep
    grass. Much of it was slightly damp underfoot. Not a problem
    during this dry period but I imagine it would be quite boggy
    at other times of year. The thick grass wasn't as bad as
    tussock grass can be but it was harder going than I would
    have liked. There was a decent view over to Twynwalter, Sgwd
    Ddu and Carreg Goch, but it wasn't the easier ascent that
    I'd hoped for. I'd have preferred a steeper ascent over
    better ground.

    Cwm Haffes showing Sgwd Ddu with Carreg Goch in background.
    wildwales.fsnet.co.uksgwd ddu.jpg

    In retrospect, just before the gate at the entrance to the
    Haffes I noticed a stile on the right leading into a few
    fields. From there a northerly route would take you
    straight up to Allt Fach. I had a good look at these fields
    on the way back and they seem to offer a much easier
    ascent. There are only a couple of small fields before
    passing through a small patch of newly planted forestry
    onto the open hill. The fields are laying idle and the
    walking looks easy. The ground next to the stile is a bit
    overgrown but you could avoid that by entering the fields
    at the gate at SN843167. The farm has a "Walkers Welcome"
    sign on one of the stiles so I doubt they'd object. Looks
    the best route onto Fan Hir IMO.

    Anyway, I reached the edge of the escarpment at 7:51am. The
    light was good so I proceeded to take a number of
    photographs of Fan Hir from the edge. Pen y Fan and even the
    Black Mountains beyond were extremely clear in the crisp
    light. The chilly wind was getting even stronger, perhaps
    25mph or so and it made me wish I'd at least brought a
    fleece. In the distance to the north there was a thick low
    bank of cloud covering the whole of Mid Wales. Presumably
    the frontal system that was heading south. Hopefully it
    would stay pretty much where it was.

    Fan Hir. Note the glacial deposition ridge on the right
    below the escarpment, reckoned to be a protalus rampart.
    wildwales.fsnet.co.ukfan hir.jpg

    Crags on Fan Hir. Note the distant bank of low cloud to the
    north. wildwales.fsnet.co.ukfan
    hir_crags.jpg

    The walk north along Fan Hir was very pleasant in spite of
    the wind, but by the time I reached Bwlch Giedd it was
    becoming a major pain, so I donned my only spare item of
    clothing, a Helly Hansen vest, and that improved the
    situation somewhat, but I was still considering changing my
    plans and returning below the escarpment to the east, to
    get some shelter from the wind. I really didn't fancy
    putting up with it for the rest of the walk. However,
    looking at the wavelets racing across the quite full Llyn y
    Fan Fawr I realised that the wind was funneling down from
    the north too.

    I reached Fan Brycheiniog at 9:09am and stopped to take
    the obligatory self-portrait at the summit. (Thanks to the
    wide dynamic range of digital I was able to extract loads
    of detail from the shadows in this "against the light"
    shot.) Still a beautiful sunny day at this point,
    however... wildwales.fsnet.co.ukmynydd d
    u/summit_portrait.jpg

    The cloud bank to the north had been getting worrying close
    and within five minutes of reaching the summit thin layers
    of cloud raced in, immediately obscuring Pen y Fan and then
    Fan Gyhirich. It was a little higher than the summit so I
    wasn't engulfed in hill fog, but thinner wisps of cloud
    swirled around just below. Within a few minutes the scene
    changed from bright sunshine to murky dullness. A pity,
    since I'd been hoping to work on my tan. Still, I got a few
    nice photos as the clouds raced in.

    Crag and cloud. The first cloud races in. wildwa-wildwa-
    les.fsnet.co.uk/misc/mynydd_du/crag_cloud.jpg

    Llyn y Fan Fawr & Fan Brycheiniog panorama. From sunshine to
    murk in a matter of minutes.
    wildwales.fsnet.co.ukfb pano.jpg

    I strolled north to Fan Foel, passing an ugly metal hut that
    looked completely out of place, to find that the summit
    cairn is "under construction". Most of the stones from the
    large circular area of the cairn have been removed and
    there's a white string delimiting the area. This is a cairn
    that has changed many times over the years and whoever's
    responsible seems to be at it again. How are they going to
    rebuild it this time I wonder?

    Fan Foel cairn construction site. wildwales.fsne-wildwales.fsne-
    t.co.uk/misc/mynydd_du/fan_foel_cairn.jpg

    I made my way west to my usual viewpoint for Bannau Sir Gaer
    but the scene was dull and uninspiring. If I'd got there
    just half an hour earlier I'd have been able to photograph
    it in excellent light. Damn! I must make more effort to
    start early. This viewpoint has always been somewhat jinxed
    for me. I never seem to catch the best light here.

    As I approached Bwlch Blaen Twrch I saw the first walkers of
    the day, three of them, ascending the path to the col. I had
    hoped to have the entire mountain to myself but the odds
    were increasingly against that happening. I quickened my
    pace and crossed the col before they reached it, thus
    avoiding an encounter. So far so good.

    I reached Bannau Sir Gaer at 10:01am. Not even bothering to
    stop I carried on westward along the ridge in the murky grey
    light. Llyn y Fan Fach was a little lower than it was
    recently when I visited it with Bill Grey. As I followed the
    ridge I encountered the first walker and stopped for a chat.
    It was his first visit. At least I had nearly four hours of
    peace and quiet before the intruders arrived! ;-)

    A little further on at 10:27am I encountered a second walker
    on Waun Lefrith. He beat me to the summit by a small margin.
    We both stopped for a quick drink at the cairn, exchanged a
    few words (he was from Hereford and was enjoying the cold
    breeze), then continued our separate ways. He headed east
    along the ridge, I headed south into the wilderness. Time
    for the whole escarpment was 4:07 for a distance of
    10.1km and 765m of ascent.

    Heading pretty much due south from Waun Lefrith my route
    followed an interesting line of small crags, an outcropping
    of old red sandstone speckled with quartz. The name Fagl
    Bengam appears on the map but whether this applies to the
    craggy area just to the west or to this line of crags I'm
    not sure. Still it was an easy landmark to follow and dry
    underfoot.

    Old red sandstone crags. wildwales.fsnet.co.ukm
    isc/mynydd_du/sandstone_crags.jpg

    When the crag line fizzled out the route became vague with
    no obvious line to follow. I had to negotiate a patch of
    boggy ground with lots of cotton grass as I sought to
    locate the bridleway across the moorland, of which there
    was no sight.

    Cotton grass. I think the "summit" in the distance is the
    520m contour at Twyn Tal y Ddraenen. wildwales.f-wildwales.f-
    snet.co.uk/misc/mynydd_du/cotton_grass.jpg

    I soon reached the Afon Trwch at the point where the Nant
    Lluestau runs into it, and to my pleasant surprise found a
    small waterfall, a scenic oasis in the middle of the
    featureless moorland. Sheltered from the wind, and with
    occasional patches of sunshine breaking through, this seemed
    an ideal spot to stop for a break, so I spent half an hour
    lounging beside the waterfall, checking the map and snacking
    on nuts and dried fruit. Nearby in another stream I found a
    Gelert folding sit mat.

    Afon Twrch waterfall. wildwales.fsnet.co.ukmisc
    /mynydd_du/waterfall.jpg

    As I got up to start walking again I felt a sudden
    tiredness. I'd felt fine up to this point but fatigue was
    just starting to set in. Very strange that this should
    happen after a rest, I'd expected to feel refreshed, not the
    opposite! Probably due to not having eaten anything during
    the walk so far, and of course due to not walking this sort
    of distance very often.

    The bridleway was nowhere to be seen at this point, but the
    GPS led me to where it supposedly crosses the Afon Twrch.
    Still no sign of any real track though. Vague bits of path
    here and there but nothing really continuous or obvious, so
    I just used the GPS to follow the rough line that the path
    was supposed to take. I walked though a sedate herd of
    ponies with young foals into the limsestone shake hole area
    at Twyn Tal y Ddraenen. I passed a couple of dangerous
    looking shake holes and marked them accordingly. Best to be
    careful if walking this area at night.

    As I approached the Afon Giedd the light became very dull.
    The low cloud dropped and covered the main summits in hill
    fog and there was even some very light drizzle in the air. I
    wondered if the cold front was making an early appearance
    and I contemplated the risk of rain, but even with only
    shorts and t-shirt it was still quite a warm day, so a
    little soaking wouldn't have done me any harm. The cold
    breeze that had bothered me earlier in the walk had dropped
    considerably by this time so the walking was then quite
    pleasant in spite of the murk.

    I noticed a line of walkers in the distance heading north
    toward the foggy tops. I couldn't see clearly but there were
    perhaps a dozen of them snaking like sheep up the hillside,
    all seemingly dressed in black, or perhaps dark blue. I
    imagined a squad of youngsters kitted out in full waterproof
    gear, but whether that was the reality of the situation I
    really don't know, they were too far away to tell.

    One of the pools at Pwll y Cig, looking toward Fan Hir.
    wildwales.fsnet.co.ukpool.jpg

    After crossing the Giedd the track became clear. From the
    waterfall onward the walking had been easy with very little
    additional ascent. Just as well because I was flagging
    toward the end of the walk. I passed some very interesting
    limestone outcroppings near Twynwalter and it was all
    downhill from there. On the whole a good day out, in spite
    of the wind and cloud. The early sunshine made it all
    worthwhile. I arrived back at the car at 1:41pm.

    Thistle in limestone outcrop. wildwales.fsnet.co-wildwales.fsnet.co-
    .uk/misc/mynydd_du/limestone_thistle.jpg

    Trip Statistics:

    Time: 7 hours 21 minutes Distance: 18.4 km Ascent: 880m
    approx. Effort Rating: 27.2ke (kilometre equivalent)

    If anyone is interested in studying the route more closely,
    here are the OziExplorer track and waypoint files. w-w-
    ww.wildwales.fsnet.co.uk/misc/mynydd_du/mynydd_du.zip

    Paul
    --
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  2. The message <[email hidden]>
    from "Paul Saunders" <[email hidden]> contains these words:

    Quoted message said:

    I strolled north to Fan Foel, passing an ugly metal hut
    that looked completely out of place, to find that the
    summit cairn is "under construction". Most of the stones
    from the large circular area of the cairn have been
    removed and there's a white string delimiting the area.
    This is a cairn that has changed many times over the years
    and whoever's responsible seems to be at it again. How are
    they going to rebuild it this time I wonder?

    Quoted message said:

    Fan Foel cairn construction site. wildwales.fs-wildwales.fs-
    net.co.uk/misc/mynydd_du/fan_foel_cairn.jpg

    The (locked) hut was there on Sunday but the cairn was still
    intact and much as I remembered it with a scattered outer
    ring and a smallish cairn in the centre.

    The tape would seem to indicate that they intend to build
    some sort of structure to the same dimension as the outer
    circle of stones. Beats me why they have to vandalise the
    original in the first place.

    --
    Roger Chapman so far this year 34 summits New - 18 (Marilyns
    6, Sweats 1, Outlying Fells 11) Repeats - 16( Marilyns 5,
    Sweats 11, Wainwrights 11) Knackered knee - 4 times

  3. Paul Saunders said:

    Weather forecast was good yesterday - bright clear
    sunshine in South Wales, temp 27 degrees, cold front to
    the north moving south but not expected to arrive until
    evening at least.

    Perhaps you listened to the same forecaster as we did - we
    should make an effigy of him to stick pins in...

    Quoted message said:

    The walk north along Fan Hir was very pleasant in spite of
    the wind, but by the time I reached Bwlch Giedd it was
    becoming a major pain, so I donned my only spare item of
    clothing, a Helly Hansen vest, and that improved the
    situation somewhat, but I was still considering changing my
    plans and returning below the escarpment to the east, to
    get some shelter from the wind. I really didn't fancy
    putting up with it for the rest of the walk. However,
    looking at the wavelets racing across the quite full Llyn y
    Fan Fawr I realised that the wind was funneling down from
    the north too.


    Same conditions in the Arans further north - bloody
    perishing!.

    Quoted message said:

    I strolled north to Fan Foel, passing an ugly metal hut
    that looked completely out of place, to find that the
    summit cairn is "under construction". Most of the stones
    from the large circular area of the cairn have been removed
    and there's a white string delimiting the area. This is a
    cairn that has changed many times over the years and
    whoever's responsible seems to be at it again. How are they
    going to rebuild it this time I wonder?


    We saw building bags full of stuff recently - we thought
    they must be for a paved path. Never heard of this cairn
    reconstruction business.

    Quoted message said:

    I had hoped to have the entire mountain to myself but the
    odds were increasingly against that happening. I quickened
    my pace and crossed the col before they reached it, thus
    avoiding an encounter. So far so good.


    Great - another recluse. There don't seem to be many of
    us about. A good technique in knolly terrain is to time
    it so that as they walk on one side, you slip quickly by
    on the other.

    Quoted message said:

    At least I had nearly four hours of peace and quiet before
    the intruders arrived! ;-)


    Bad luck mate, we managed the entire ridge and a pitch on
    top without seeing a soul. It can be done.

    Great pics as usual.

    Quoted message said:


    If anyone is interested in studying the route more closely,
    here are the OziExplorer track and waypoint files. --
    www.wildwales.fsnet.co.uk/misc/mynydd_du/mynydd_du.zip

    Can these files be used or modified for use in Memory-Map
    Navigator just to see the route?. I recently acquired MM and
    have just started playing with it.

    Regards

    -- GeoffC

  4. Paul Saunders wrote on Wed, 16 Jun 2004 15:39:08 +0100....

    Quoted message said:

    As I approached Bwlch Blaen Twrch I saw the first walkers
    of the day, three of them, ascending the path to the col.
    I had hoped to have the entire mountain to myself but the
    odds were increasingly against that happening. I quickened
    my pace and crossed the col before they reached it, thus
    avoiding an encounter. So far so good.

    You had more luck than me - when I passed that spot on
    Sunday there were half a dozen trail bikers coming down from
    Fan Foel and up to Picws Du. :-(

    --
    Tim Jackson [email hidden] (Change
    '.invalid' to '.co.uk' to reply direct) Absurd patents:
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  5. "Paul Saunders" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    <snip>

    | In anticipation of another swelteringly hot day I just
    | wore t-shirt and shorts.

    Hey, that's not a t-shirt, it's got sleeves!

    <snip>

    | I reached Fan Brycheiniog at 9:09am and stopped to take
    | the obligatory self-portrait at the summit. (Thanks to
    | the wide dynamic range of digital I was able to extract
    | loads of detail from the shadows in this "against the
    | light" shot.)

    <...inserts quick dig at recent Luminous Landscapes
    debate...> ;-)

    | Still a beautiful sunny day at this point, however... ht-
    | tp://www.wildwales.fsnet.co.uk/misc/mynydd_du/summit_por-
    | trait.jpg

    Ooh err Paul, you do look a bit pervy with those tight lycra
    shorts on! Phroar! ;-)

    <snip>

    | Paul

    Ste <still fanning himself down after that picture...> ;-)

    p.s. Nice TR by the way, and thanks for sharing so
    many photos.

  6. "Paul Saunders" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I'd hoped to get going at 5am but was a bit late. I
    didn't start the walk until 6:20pm.

    Ahem......more than a 'bit' late Paul. ;-D

    Quoted message said:


    In retrospect, just before the gate at the entrance to the
    Haffes I noticed a stile on the right leading into a few
    fields. From there a northerly route would take you
    straight up to Allt Fach. I had a good look at these
    fields on the way back and they seem to offer a much
    easier ascent. There are only a couple of small fields
    before passing through a small patch of newly planted
    forestry onto the open hill. The fields are laying idle
    and the walking looks easy. The ground next to the stile
    is a bit overgrown but you could avoid that by entering
    the fields at the gate at SN843167. The farm has a
    "Walkers Welcome" sign on one of the stiles so I doubt
    they'd object. Looks the best route onto Fan Hir IMO.

    IMHO the ascent of the pronounced sharp W edge of the first
    gully on the right as you go up the Haffes (containing the
    Trawsnant) an even better option, you experience a bit of
    the bouldery Haffes without the difficulties you encountered
    higher up and is not as bland a route as the permissive path
    past the ruins of Ty Du to the mountain wall.

    Quoted message said:

    I strolled north to Fan Foel, passing an ugly metal hut
    that looked completely out of place, to find that the
    summit cairn is "under construction". Most of the stones
    from the large circular area of the cairn have been
    removed and there's a white string delimiting the area.
    This is a cairn that has changed many times over the years
    and whoever's responsible seems to be at it again. How are
    they going to rebuild it this time I wonder?

    Think this will explain what's going on there Paul, the
    work being carried out on behalf of the BBNP and Welsh
    Water. acadat.comfanfoel.htm

    Enjoyed your report and photos of a favourite walk of mine
    (though I normally reverse it as I never enjoy the drag from
    Allt Fach to Fan Hir).

    It's been a while since I was over that way, a spell of ill
    health has kept me off the hills for too long now, since the
    snow at the end of February. At the moment confined to OFW's
    (Old Farts Walks) and this is definitely not an OFW.
    Hopefully one day, in the not too distant
    future......................

    --
    Gwyn Reply to:- urw(dot)mail(dot)gwyn(at)xoxy(dot)net

  7. A very nice TR Paul, well illustrated - as one would
    expect. The shorts have been discussed so I'll try not to
    mention them. In your self portrait at the summit I
    couldn't help noticing that either you have your poles
    very long or your stature is somewhat diminutive. Was that
    Snow White I saw peeping round that rock? You can actually
    adjust the height of them you know, or where they trying
    to do an impression of shepherd's crooks? I said I'd try
    not to mention the dodgy shorts, but I'm afraid I've
    failed: I must say that you look like an escapee from a
    Bavarian folk dancers convention. There, I've said it now.
    To quote Basil Fawlty:- "Can everyone else please not
    mention the shorts. I mentioned them once, but I think I
    got away with it." Steve ;-)

  8. Bitstring
    <[email hidden]>, from the
    wonderful person Steve Jones <[email hidden]> said

    Quoted message said:

    A very nice TR Paul, well illustrated - as one would
    expect. The shorts have been discussed so I'll try not to
    mention them. In your self portrait at the summit I
    couldn't help noticing that either you have your poles very
    long or your stature is somewhat diminutive. Was that Snow
    White I saw peeping round that rock? You can actually
    adjust the height of them you know, or where they trying to
    do an impression of shepherd's crooks? I said I'd try not
    to mention the dodgy shorts, but I'm afraid I've failed: I
    must say that you look like an escapee from a Bavarian folk
    dancers convention. There, I've said it now. To quote Basil
    Fawlty:- "Can everyone else please not mention the shorts.
    I mentioned them once, but I think I got away with it."
    Steve ;-)

    LOL. What I want to know is how come he never noticed when
    the locals nicked his skis? (Or maybe he just wore them
    away). 8>.

    --
    GSV Three Minds in a Can Outgoing Msgs are Turing Tested,and
    indistinguishable from human typing.

  9. Roger wrote on Wed, 16 Jun 2004 20:50:33 +0100....

    Quoted message said:

    The message <[email hidden]> from
    "Paul Saunders" <[email hidden]> contains
    these words:

    Quoted message said:

    I strolled north to Fan Foel, passing an ugly metal hut
    that looked completely out of place, to find that the
    summit cairn is "under construction". Most of the stones
    from the large circular area of the cairn have been
    removed and there's a white string delimiting the area.
    This is a cairn that has changed many times over the
    years and whoever's responsible seems to be at it again.
    How are they going to rebuild it this time I wonder?

    Quoted message said:

    Fan Foel cairn construction site. wildwales.-wildwales.-
    fsnet.co.uk/misc/mynydd_du/fan_foel_cairn.jpg

    The (locked) hut was there on Sunday but the cairn was
    still intact and much as I remembered it with a scattered
    outer ring and a smallish cairn in the centre.

    I was also there at about 5 o'clock on Sunday afternoon. I
    saw the metal hut, but I didn't see the white string round
    the construction site as shown in your photo. If your trip
    was on Tuesday morning then someone must have been working
    there on Monday.

    --
    Tim Jackson [email hidden] (Change
    '.invalid' to '.co.uk' to reply direct) Absurd patents:
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  10. Roger said:

    Beats me why they have to vandalise the original in the
    first place.

    Don't think it was the original. It's changed a lot over
    the years.

    Paul
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  11. [email hidden] said...

    Quoted message said:

    At the moment confined to OFW's (Old Farts Walks) and this
    is definitely not an OFW. Hopefully one day, in the not
    too distant future......................


    Can you get to the Snowdonia expedition in July? There
    will definitely be some of us (at least me'n'mine) doing
    OFW whilst the mountain goats amongst us play around on
    big hills.
    --
    Fran If you need my email address please ask.

  12. ste© said:
    Quoted message said:

    In anticipation of another swelteringly hot day I just
    wore t-shirt and shorts.

    Hey, that's not a t-shirt, it's got sleeves!

    That's the Helly Hansen vest I put on over my t-shirt
    because of the chilly breeze!

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I reached Fan Brycheiniog at 9:09am and stopped to take
    the obligatory self-portrait at the summit. (Thanks to
    the wide dynamic range of digital I was able to extract
    loads of detail from the shadows in this "against the
    light" shot.)

    <...inserts quick dig at recent Luminous Landscapes
    debate...> ;-)

    I thought you'd appreciate that!

    Quoted message said:

    Ooh err Paul, you do look a bit pervy with those tight
    lycra shorts on! Phroar! ;-)

    Not lycra, and I do subscribe to the philosophy that shorts
    should be, as implied by the name, short, otherwise what's
    the point? How do you get your legs tanned if your shorts go
    down to your knees?

    Quoted message said:

    Ste <still fanning himself down after that picture...> ;-)

    Not so sure I want to meet you anymore....

    Quoted message said:

    p.s. Nice TR by the way, and thanks for sharing so many
    photos.

    Ta. BTW, my parents will be visiting Liverpool this weekend.
    I believe they want to go the Albert Dock area.

    Paul
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  13. Ferlas Mor said:

    IMHO the ascent of the pronounced sharp W edge of the
    first gully on the right as you go up the Haffes
    (containing the Trawsnant) an even better option,

    I'd considered that, it was one of the two possibilities I
    was going to try. What's the quality of the ground like at
    the top of the gully?

    Quoted message said:

    you experience a bit of the bouldery Haffes without the
    difficulties you encountered higher up

    Actually most of the difficulties were at the lower end,
    i.e. rampant foliage! The rocks didn't bother me so much.

    Quoted message said:

    and is not as bland a route as the permissive path past
    the ruins of Ty Du to the mountain wall.

    So there is a permissive path that way? Nothing marked on
    the map. Any idea of the exact route? Does it stay to the
    west of Ty Du? The fields to the right look better, and the
    slope definitely gives the gentlest ascent.

    Quoted message said:

    Think this will explain what's going on there Paul, the
    work being carried out on behalf of the BBNP and Welsh
    Water. acadat.comfanfoel.htm

    Ah, interesting. Doesn't say what they're actually doing to
    it at the moment though.

    "During the course of the assessment it was observed that
    material from the surviving prehistoric fabric of the
    barrow continues to be removed by visitors and added to
    this modern cairn."

    Typical? What is this obsession with cairn building that
    people have?

    Quoted message said:

    Enjoyed your report and photos of a favourite walk of mine
    (though I normally reverse it as I never enjoy the drag
    from Allt Fach to Fan Hir).

    Thanks. In contrast I really enjoy that drag, particularly
    in early morning light which is the best time to see and
    photograph it. In the afternoon the escarpment falls into
    shade and the weather is usually better in the morning
    anyway, so I'm thinking of it from a photographic point of
    view (as borne out by my photos). Also I'm not to keen on
    steep descents so the moorland track is a gentler option.

    First time I ever did this walk was in the early eighties
    (exact date unknown) in the snow. Parked in the same spot,
    climbed first to Carreg Goch in warm sunshine, then headed
    directly to Picws Du, passing a standing stone in the middle
    of nowhere (somewhere in the vicinity of Mawnog Carnau Gwys
    perhaps? - anyone know exactly where this is? I've never
    seen it since). At Fan Brycheiniog we were engulfed in a
    blizzard with high winds. We dropped down the stone gully to
    the lake in a winter wonderland, the snow falling gently
    whilst the roaring winds were heard above the ridge. We
    decided it was more fun up on the ridge so we climbed back
    up the staircase and followed Fan Hir south, keeping well
    away from the edge. Exact route down I can't remember.

    Quoted message said:

    It's been a while since I was over that way, a spell of
    ill health has kept me off the hills for too long now,
    since the snow at the end of February. At the moment
    confined to OFW's (Old Farts Walks) and this is definitely
    not an OFW. Hopefully one day, in the not too distant
    future......................

    I'm still feeling knackered....

    Paul
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  14. Steve Jones said:

    In your self portrait at the summit I couldn't help
    noticing that either you have your poles very long or your
    stature is somewhat diminutive.

    Well I'm not exactly famous for being the tallest person
    in the world, and I am Welsh, so your latter assumption
    is correct.

    Quoted message said:

    Was that Snow White I saw peeping round that rock? You can
    actually adjust the height of them you know, or where they
    trying to do an impression of shepherd's crooks?

    I am of course aware of their adjustability and I had them
    adjusted for the ideal height for me for the technique that
    I use, which is to stretch my arms forward and angle the
    poles back diagonally, pulling down on them to help propel
    me up the hill, a practiced technique which works very well
    for me. In their upright position as seen in the photograph
    they are of course too high, but in diagonal mode their
    height above the ground is somewhat less, and is ideally
    suited to my arms. They were of course adjusted for the
    fairly gently rise of Fan Hir and Fan Brycheioniog, for
    steeper ground I would have shortened them. Along the flat
    ridge tops I barely use them at all, often simply carrying
    them, but in the case of the photo I thought I'd use them as
    part of the pose! :-)

    I also find that length useful for steepish descents, such
    as down to the col at Bwlch Blaen-Twrch. As you may have
    noticed, my trekking poles are of the "monopod" variety with
    screw off cork handles. These rounded handles are ideal for
    cupping in the palm of the hand and make the effective
    length much longer without having to physically change the
    length. I suspect that my downhill technique would need to
    be altered if I used poles with normal handles.

    Quoted message said:

    I must say that you look like an escapee from a Bavarian
    folk dancers convention.

    Ah! So the Bavarians have good taste in shorts eh? Maybe
    that's where I need to go to purchase some decent new ones?
    The only ones you can buy in shops these days seem to be
    those ridiculous antiquated long baggy shorts as used by the
    Desert Rats in WW2 and seen in old black and white football
    films of Stanley Matthews. Oh, but they've decided that
    "antiquated" is "in fashion" these days. Marketing hype...
    Go figure...

    As some may have noticed previously in my choice of
    clothing, I couldn't care less about style or fashion,
    only function.

    Paul
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  15. GeoffC said:

    Great - another recluse. There don't seem to be many of
    us about. A good technique in knolly terrain is to time
    it so that as they walk on one side, you slip quickly by
    on the other.

    Yeah. Another technique is to go out in [censored] weather in the
    middle of the week in the middle of winter. :-)

    Quoted message said:

    Bad luck mate, we managed the entire ridge and a pitch on
    top without seeing a soul. It can be done.

    Haven't managed that for many years now.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    OziExplorer track and waypoint files. wildwal-wildwal-
    es.fsnet.co.uk/misc/mynydd_du/mynydd_du.zip

    Can these files be used or modified for use in Memory-Map
    Navigator just to see the route?. I recently acquired MM
    and have just started playing with it.

    Probably not. If you have a GPS you could get a demo of
    OziExplorer, load the files into a blank map, send them to
    the GPS, then send them back into MM.

    Paul
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  16. "Fran" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    [email hidden] said...

    Quoted message said:

    At the moment confined to OFW's (Old Farts Walks) and
    this is definitely


    not an

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    OFW. Hopefully one day, in the not too distant


    future......................

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    Can you get to the Snowdonia expedition in July? There
    will definitely be some of us (at least me'n'mine) doing
    OFW whilst the mountain goats amongst us play around on
    big hills.
    --
    Fran If you need my email address please ask.

    Shall be OFW'ing in Pembrokeshire then Fran, sorry. Going
    down tomorrow (now that this weather has broken....typical)
    for an extended stay. Away from pooter for a while, so have
    a good time everyone.

    --
    Gwyn Reply to:- urw(dot)mail(dot)gwyn(at)xoxy(dot)net

  17. "Paul Saunders" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I do subscribe to the philosophy that shorts should be, as
    implied by the name, short, otherwise what's the point?
    How do you get your legs tanned if your shorts go down to
    your knees?

    I'm sorry to be the one to say this Paul, but it's not
    working for you!
    --
    "A kilt opens up new possibilities."
    - Gary D. Schwartz in rec.backcountry

  18. Paul Saunders said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    OziExplorer track and waypoint files. wildwa-wildwa-
    les.fsnet.co.uk/misc/mynydd_du/mynydd_du.zip

    Can these files be used or modified for use in Memory-Map
    Navigator just to see the route?. I recently acquired MM
    and have just started playing with it.

    Probably not. If you have a GPS you could get a demo of
    OziExplorer, load the files into a blank map, send them to
    the GPS, then send them back into MM.

    Paul

    I don't have a GPS, but since the first post, I did a lot of
    searching and messing about and eventually succeeded. I used
    the .plt file and converted it to a .rxf file using
    GPSBabel. This imported correctly into Memory-Map Navigator
    as a single route with 538 waypoints.

    If you (or anyone else) wants to know the exact details,
    I'll post them.

    Regards

    -- GeoffC

  19. "Paul Saunders" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...
    | ste© wrote:
    |
    | >> In anticipation of another swelteringly hot day I just
    | >> wore t-shirt and shorts.
    | >
    | > Hey, that's not a t-shirt, it's got sleeves!
    |
    | That's the Helly Hansen vest I put on over my t-shirt
    | because of the chilly breeze!

    But that's not a vest, it's got sleeves...! :-)

    | >> I reached Fan Brycheiniog at 9:09am and stopped to take
    | >> the obligatory self-portrait at the summit. (Thanks to
    | >> the wide dynamic range of digital I was able to extract
    | >> loads of detail from the shadows in this "against the
    | >> light" shot.)
    | >
    | > <...inserts quick dig at recent Luminous Landscapes
    | > debate...> ;-)
    |
    | I thought you'd appreciate that!

    Of course! :-) In this month's Outdoor Photographer magazine
    (they don't have an Armchair Photographer magazine, so I
    make do with what's available on the shelves...), there was
    a guy talking about using digital for wildlife photography,
    and how it had a dynamic range of 5 stops. You would have
    loved that article! ;-)

    | > Ooh err Paul, you do look a bit pervy with those tight
    | > lycra shorts on! Phroar! ;-)
    |
    | Not lycra,

    My mistake. But they reminded me of what rowers wear - did
    you ever see that famous photo of the Australian rowers
    getting their medals from Princess Anne from a few years
    ago? They all wore all-in-one lycra (or whatever material)
    suits, and you could basically see their bits as the shorts
    were so thin and tight.

    | and I do subscribe to the philosophy that shorts should
    | be, as implied by the name, short, otherwise what's the
    | point? How do you get your legs tanned if your shorts go
    | down to your knees?

    I have plenty shorts (I'm sitting here wearing some now),
    and they are not exactly long (above the knees), but they
    are baggy enough so can't see my bits 'n pieces in 'em
    either! ;-) If you really want a tan, go to the local skin-
    bed parlour, sorry, sun-bed parlour! :-)

    | > Ste <still fanning himself down after that
    | > picture...> ;-)
    |
    | Not so sure I want to meet you anymore....

    I was just taking the [censored] Paul! :-P But now I'm not so sure
    what you meant when you offered to Wild Camp with me in
    Wales some time!! ;-)

    | > p.s. Nice TR by the way, and thanks for sharing so many
    | > photos.
    |
    | Ta. BTW, my parents will be visiting Liverpool this
    | weekend. I believe they want to go the Albert Dock area.

    No problemo. Yes, that will be for the Mersey River
    Festival: www.merseyriverfestival.co.uk I was going to go
    myself, but I've now got some other committments. Hope they
    have a good time, and tell them to take some better versions
    of those photos for me! ;-)

    | Paul

    Ste

  20. Mark South said:
    Quoted message said:

    How do you get your legs tanned if your shorts go down to
    your knees?

    I'm sorry to be the one to say this Paul, but it's not
    working for you!

    Tell me about it! The forecasters keep warning about the
    dangers of the sun but I can't even get a decent tan!

    Paul
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