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  1. We arrived at the Penwyllt Quarries around 8.30am and not having been here
    before I was unsure where to park - plenty of space but there was a private
    property sign on the entrance I was a little apprehensive about. I parked by
    the old railway station and changed but then decided to park just outside a
    little way up from the house on the other side of the road. Btw, the
    weather when we arrived was quite misty with low lying clouds masking the
    tops of the surrounding hills - forecast was for bright stuff and I was
    assured by my mate it was going to clear up. We decided to follow Paul's
    route from a posting a few days earlier - that was until our 1st real choice
    on route!
    We then climbed the stile and headed alongside the railway track for a
    little while before arriving at the edge of the forest. Difference of
    opinion here as I was sure we should carry on the track for a while but my
    mate who says he is better at reading maps than me (that's not hard mind!)
    says we should walk up the right hand edge of the forest. I give in and we
    move up the edge of the forest on a thin path looking for an opening. Much
    to my relief we find one - marked on the map as starting a little way in? We
    then move north through and eventually come to a junction which indicated
    that there was a path further on from the railway track. Satisfied we were
    both right we follow the path in an easterly direction ignoring a path that
    turns north.
    We disturb a bird of prey ahead of us but it was only a fleeting glance so
    couldn't identify it - shame, I am still anxious to record a Red Kite on a
    walk. The path takes us to an opening which shows a track moving up and
    around a bend towards our destination - there is also a track to the right
    which leads towards more quarries and from looking at the map we guess the
    area of Carreg Cadno. We then take the easy path that rounds the hill and I
    point out to my walking mate Fan Fraith or as Paul referred it as "a silly
    nuttall". A little further on Fan Hir comes back into view and the sun is
    starting to dissolve the clouds surrounding the tops. As we walk upwards I
    am amazed that such a well laid track should be leading this way up and I
    make a note to have a look at the local history of the place when I return
    home. Shortly after crossing a stile we leave the path and move upwards and
    slightly left towards the top.
    I stop at some rocks to take a look down the valley noticing the paths
    through the forest. You can't easily make out Swansea Bay today, which was a
    pity. I am sure on a better day the views are tremendous. You can make out
    some things - notably a block of flats to the NW of Swansea and a Power
    Station to the East - between two hills, or is this Port Talbot Works?
    (Experts please) :o)
    Moving up we find a path that leads to the trig point in the distance and in
    no time we are on top of Fan Gyhirych. I point out to Alan our next visit to
    this area - Fan Brycheiniog and we take a few snaps - I am getting a habit
    of wanting me and a photo of a trig point in my collection - takes all sorts
    I suppose! To the East we can see Corn Ddu and Pen Y Fan. What surprised me
    was how wide the area on the summit was - I was expecting to get to the trig
    point and be looking over the edge but you have to walk a little further
    north to view the Cray Reservoir which is where I sat to eat my sarnies -
    cheese topped rolls with a ham filling, followed by my latest "sugar rush"
    food - Fab Boys oatcakes, on offer in Tescos at the moment, buy one get one
    free - 10 bars for a £1, lovely stuff. We then move east and follow the
    ridge around and here is where the ridge that is Gyhirych is most defined.
    We follow the ridge and then take a turn south for the track that we had
    been on earlier. A quick discussion and we decide to "do the nuttall". With
    no path easily identifiable we cross some marsh ground and make our way to a
    pile of rocks that have been marked as the top - hopefully? A path leads
    south but quickly disappears and we eventually follow a stone wall down to
    the road. The ground here was as Paul indicated very uneven and I think how
    the eck did these guys build walls up here? Alan points out the wall turns
    from red sandstone to limestone as we move south indicating the rock change.
    Once we hit the road I have a chat with Alan to see if he wants to carry on
    to Carreg Cadno or follow the tram road as mentioned by PS. My knee has
    started to ache - even with the patella strap and I feel it best to take the
    easy route back. The tram road is easy path and we chat about the work that
    must have gone on around the area in days gone by. As we enter the area
    marked as a reserve I turn and take a photo of Fan Gyhirych. I turn the
    mobile on and phone my eldest to get him to describe the view from his
    bedroom. I am convinced this is it. As I say in the other posting not sure
    about the mound in front but bow to Paul & Bill's knowledge of the area.
    Ansphone message on the phone and wifey informs me she has packed the tent
    in the other car and we are heading for Tenby on my return - great I think,
    wondered why she was keen for me to get an early start! We head down towards
    the row of cottages that is obviously the Caving club and on arrival can now
    see where I perhaps could have parked. I did not expect the club to be a row
    of houses and if I had moved a little further into the quarry when I got
    here I would have noticed them! Even though the doors are all open the place
    is deserted and quiet and we then realise that we have not seen anyone on
    our walk - great stuff. When we arrive back at the car there is a merc
    parked behind me, they must have had the same idea about parking.
    We both agree that it is a "must return" place as there are there are a few
    other places we need to get to - I have the idea to perhaps do a linear
    route from the quarries to Ystradfelte taking in Fan Nedd and Fan LLia,
    (knee permitting) thing is we would need two cars and I is the only one with
    transport at the moment.

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  2. In article <[email hidden]>, AC
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    Quoted message said:

    I am still anxious to record a Red Kite on a
    walk.

    When you're in this area, you'll see one sooner or later. The last two
    times I visited the Mountain centre, I saw one on each occasion - that
    was last week and yesterday.

    Quoted message said:

    I stop at some rocks to take a look down the valley noticing the paths
    through the forest. You can't easily make out Swansea Bay today, which was a
    pity. I am sure on a better day the views are tremendous. You can make out
    some things - notably a block of flats to the NW of Swansea and a Power
    Station to the East - between two hills, or is this Port Talbot Works?

    Quoted message said:

    (Experts please) :o)

    It could well be - Kilvey Hill being on the right and Mynydd Dinas
    possibly on the left. - You my well be looking at BP Chemicals at Baglan
    Bay. They do have cooling towers and may resemble a power station.

    Quoted message said:

    Moving up we find a path that leads to the trig point in the distance and in
    no time we are on top of Fan Gyhirych. I point out to Alan our next visit to
    this area - Fan Brycheiniog and we take a few snaps - I am getting a habit
    of wanting me and a photo of a trig point in my collection - takes all sorts
    I suppose!

    Why not - you've earned a snap ;-)

    When you decide to go let me know which route you're going to take and
    if it is appropriate I'll send you a list of waypoints that will get you
    tol Lyn-y-Fan Fawr on a "dry" route.

    Quoted message said:


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  3. The message <[email hidden]>
    from "AC" <[email hidden]> contains these words:

    Quoted message said:

    We head down towards
    the row of cottages that is obviously the Caving club and on arrival can now
    see where I perhaps could have parked. I did not expect the club to be a row
    of houses

    ISTR that the PROW originally went through a covered passageway in the
    middle of the terrace so the road in front of the caving club is in all
    probability still a public road after you pass through the gate.

    --
    Roger Chapman so far this year 39 summits
    New - 22 (Marilyns 8, Sweats 5, Outlying Fells 11)
    Repeats - 17( Marilyns 6, Sweats 12, Wainwrights 11)
    Knackered knee - 4 times

  4. Roger said:


    ISTR that the PROW originally went through a covered passageway in the
    middle of the terrace so the road in front of the caving club is in all
    probability still a public road after you pass through the gate.

    I believe that the public road ends where the tarmac stops - at the
    cattle grid where you enter the quarry and cross the old railway line.
    However, the public are granted vehicular access to park on the large
    flat area just to the north of the caving club cottages for the purposes
    of walking and visiting the Ogof Ffynnon Ddu nature reserve.

    Rhys

  5. The message <[email hidden]>
    from Rhys <[email hidden]> contains these words:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    ISTR that the PROW originally went through a covered passageway in the
    middle of the terrace so the road in front of the caving club is in all
    probability still a public road after you pass through the gate.

    Quoted message said:

    I believe that the public road ends where the tarmac stops - at the
    cattle grid where you enter the quarry and cross the old railway line.
    However, the public are granted vehicular access to park on the large
    flat area just to the north of the caving club cottages for the purposes
    of walking and visiting the Ogof Ffynnon Ddu nature reserve.

    I don't recall ever seeing any signs to that effect and surely a hamlet
    without a public road would be unusual to say the least. The 1:25000
    shows a PROW avoiding the the actual road between the level crossing and
    the caving club but although I have walked that way within the last year
    I can't remember if it is actually on the line of the railway (and thus
    a modern invention) or beside the railway. The 1" of the area is of
    little use because it doesn't distinguish ROWs and the small scale might
    explain why it doesn't show that path.

    ISTR that there was once a brickworks at some point past the caving club
    so the road would have served that in addition to the 10 cottages and
    any other premises that might have since been demolished like the
    brickworks.

    --
    Roger Chapman so far this year 39 summits
    New - 22 (Marilyns 8, Sweats 5, Outlying Fells 11)
    Repeats - 17( Marilyns 6, Sweats 12, Wainwrights 11)
    Knackered knee - 4 times

  6. AC said:

    We arrived at the Penwyllt Quarries around 8.30am and not having been
    here before I was unsure where to park

    Further on.

    Quoted message said:

    - plenty of space but there
    was a private property sign on the entrance

    On the left? That's a new thing. Some [censored] has moved in and thinks
    he owns the place. I always used to park in that area without any
    problems. Never saw another car there.

    Quoted message said:

    We then climbed the stile and headed alongside the railway track for a
    little while before arriving at the edge of the forest. Difference of
    opinion here as I was sure we should carry on the track for a while
    but my mate who says he is better at reading maps than me (that's not
    hard mind!) says we should walk up the right hand edge of the forest.

    Very little in it.

    Quoted message said:

    I give in and we move up the edge of the forest on a thin path
    looking for an opening. Much to my relief we find one - marked on the
    map as starting a little way in?

    I'm not sure that's an opening, I think that's just a break in the line
    because of the adjacent text. Just as well you got into the forest
    before the nasty little boggy section. My brother tried to walk through
    that once and sunk in almost up to his waist. It was quite a struggle
    pulling him out.

    Quoted message said:

    We disturb a bird of prey ahead of us but it was only a fleeting
    glance so couldn't identify it - shame, I am still anxious to record
    a Red Kite on a walk.

    You will. They're getting quite common now.

    Quoted message said:

    As we walk upwards I am
    amazed that such a well laid track should be leading this way up

    It's used by the farmers on the Cnewr estate.

    Quoted message said:

    You can't easily make out Swansea Bay today,
    which was a pity.

    No it wasn't! ;-)

    Quoted message said:

    I am sure on a better day the views are tremendous.

    Well you can see the whole of the Gower on a good day, and even as far
    as Lundy Island.

    Quoted message said:

    You can make out some things - notably a block of flats to the NW of
    Swansea

    Block of Flats!!! That's the DVLA. Ugly monstrosity.

    Quoted message said:

    and a Power Station to the East - between two hills, or is
    this Port Talbot Works? (Experts please) :o)

    Probably Baglan Bay Petrochemical Plant.

    Quoted message said:

    I
    am getting a habit of wanting me and a photo of a trig point in my
    collection - takes all sorts I suppose!

    A common pastime. Good for verifying all your bagged summits!

    Quoted message said:

    What surprised me was how wide the area on the
    summit was

    Yes, it's one of those big flat summits!

    Quoted message said:

    Fab Boys oatcakes, on offer in Tescos at the moment, buy one get one
    free - 10 bars for a £1, lovely stuff.

    Must keep an eye out for those.

    Quoted message said:

    arrival can now see where I perhaps could have parked.

    Yep.

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  7. Roger said:


    I don't recall ever seeing any signs to that effect and surely a hamlet
    without a public road would be unusual to say the least. The 1:25000
    shows a PROW avoiding the the actual road between the level crossing and
    the caving club but although I have walked that way within the last year
    I can't remember if it is actually on the line of the railway (and thus
    a modern invention) or beside the railway. The 1" of the area is of
    little use because it doesn't distinguish ROWs and the small scale might
    explain why it doesn't show that path.

    ISTR that there was once a brickworks at some point past the caving club
    so the road would have served that in addition to the 10 cottages and
    any other premises that might have since been demolished like the
    brickworks.

    I won't get embroiled too deep into this, as I'm not positive of the
    precise facts and it's probably not very interesting to most people! I'm
    just commenting because I happen to be a member of the caving club.

    As I understand it, strictly there is a "right of access" for vehicles
    along that track (across the quarry owner's land) but not a "right of
    way". However, it is effectively open to the public and no-one really
    cares so the end result is the same!

    As you say, there is indeed a footpath (right of way) which runs from
    the cattle grid to the caving club. It runs kind of parallel and in
    between the railway line and the current vehicle track (the route of
    which has only been fixed in recent years by the quarry fencing off
    their
    stock yard).

    Rhys

  8. The message <[email hidden]>
    from Rhys <[email hidden]> contains these words:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I don't recall ever seeing any signs to that effect and surely a hamlet
    without a public road would be unusual to say the least. The 1:25000
    shows a PROW avoiding the the actual road between the level crossing and
    the caving club but although I have walked that way within the last year
    I can't remember if it is actually on the line of the railway (and thus
    a modern invention) or beside the railway. The 1" of the area is of
    little use because it doesn't distinguish ROWs and the small scale might
    explain why it doesn't show that path.

    ISTR that there was once a brickworks at some point past the caving club
    so the road would have served that in addition to the 10 cottages and
    any other premises that might have since been demolished like the
    brickworks.

    Quoted message said:

    I won't get embroiled too deep into this, as I'm not positive of the
    precise facts and it's probably not very interesting to most people! I'm
    just commenting because I happen to be a member of the caving club.

    In which case we might just have some mutual friends although I think
    only one of mine (Elsie) is still active. I was never a member but used
    to visit the club in the late 60s/early 70s.

    Quoted message said:

    As I understand it, strictly there is a "right of access" for vehicles
    along that track (across the quarry owner's land) but not a "right of
    way". However, it is effectively open to the public and no-one really
    cares so the end result is the same!

    Quoted message said:

    As you say, there is indeed a footpath (right of way) which runs from
    the cattle grid to the caving club. It runs kind of parallel and in
    between the railway line and the current vehicle track (the route of
    which has only been fixed in recent years by the quarry fencing off
    their stock yard).

    FWIW the 1" doesn't show the level crossing. What is does show is a
    white unfenced road running parallel to the railway as far as the bridge
    before coming back through the quarry area and extending as far as the
    HQ, probably closer to the line than the current depiction on the
    1:25000 and quite possibly on the line of that footpath from the level
    crossing onwards.

    --
    Roger Chapman so far this year 39 summits
    New - 22 (Marilyns 8, Sweats 5, Outlying Fells 11)
    Repeats - 17( Marilyns 6, Sweats 12, Wainwrights 11)
    Knackered knee - 4 times

  9. Roger said:


    In which case we might just have some mutual friends although I think
    only one of mine (Elsie) is still active. I was never a member but used
    to visit the club in the late 60s/early 70s.

    She is still in the area.

    Quoted message said:

    FWIW the 1" doesn't show the level crossing. What is does show is a
    white unfenced road running parallel to the railway as far as the bridge
    before coming back through the quarry area and extending as far as the
    HQ, probably closer to the line than the current depiction on the
    1:25000 and quite possibly on the line of that footpath from the level
    crossing onwards.

    The route over the bridge has not been negotiable for many years and
    things have changed as and when the quarry felt like shifting their
    buildings and stone around.

    Rhys

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