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  1. I'm not sure whether it's right to post this here as there wasn't a
    great deal of walking on my latest trip.

    I took Friday afternoon off work and left the house at about 2:15pm to
    catch a bus and three trains to the Dolgarrog Halt on the Llandudno to
    Blaenau Ffestiniog line. I was carrying my 35 litre rucksack
    containing everything I needed for a night under the stars.

    My intention had been to reach the Dulyn bothy before nightfall but my
    planning had been wildly optimistic. I think I would have had to walk
    about 6 miles to the bothy, but I can't have done more than three
    before I found I couldn't see well enough to read the lay of the land.
    Also, I spent a fair bit of time going in and out of wooded areas and
    I kept tripping over roots (and barbed wire; hence the hole in my
    Paramo trousers).

    Eventually I decided that it was pointless pushing on and that I
    should use the last available light to choose a flatish bit of ground,
    facing East for the morning sun, out of sight of the unknown buildings
    I could see just below me.

    This is where bivi bags are brilliant. Within 2 minutes my bijou
    residence was complete. I had taken my down sleeping bag, as it has a
    small pack size, and I had packed it inside the bivi bag so that there
    was no chance of it getting wet whilst taking it out of my rucksack.
    A quick shake and it was spread out on my roll-mat.

    Unfortunately, I had not found any decent looking drinking water on my
    walk in. This was slightly ironic as there's a flipping hydro power
    station at Dolgarrog and I kept bumping into a HUGE black pipeline
    presumably carrying water down to the power station.

    I only had 500ml of water to last the evening so I did not have a hot
    meal or drink, I just sipped the water and had an early night. I had
    a weird dream that I kept filling my mug with cool fresh water and
    drinking it, then refilling the mug and drinking it. I woke up, just
    after that dream, with a slight thirst but resisted the temptation to
    gulp down all my water and just had another sip. Luckily I did not
    have to go far, in the morning, before I found a trustworthy water
    supply - otherwise I would have had to head back to Dolgarrog village.

    I awoke a couple of times in the night and was amazed at how many
    stars there were. It was hard to pick out the constellations as there
    were just so many bright stars, I couldn't identify the few I see at
    home. I saw a few shooting stars which made me want to keep my eyes
    open all night......but I drifted off again.

    This is only the second time I have used my bivi bag and I was very
    pleased with it. Last time I used it I was cold and I also suffered
    from terrible condensation in the bag. This time, I was careful to
    keep my mouth outside the bag (so as not to breath on the inside of
    the bag) and I also chose a site that was slightly raised and had a
    good breeze blowing over it. Maybe that made a difference, or maybe I
    was just lucky with the weather this time.

    I awoke at ten past six and it was still night-time, but when I woke
    again at 7am it was dawn and I could see perfectly. I could see the
    rock and the mole-hill that had been my bed.

    By 7:25 I was on the move and looking for water. Breakfast (at about
    9:30) was a lazy affair sitting on a rocky hillock, in the sun,
    drinking hot chocolate and wishing I could stay there all day. I
    decided that I'd visit the bothy some other time, so there was no need
    to rush now.

    I hadn't allowed much spare time to find my way back to Dolgarrog Halt
    and I was glad of my GPS on occasion. My Outdoor Leisure Snowdonia
    map does not appear to show the pipe-line at all so I could not use it
    as a navigation feature. I'll have to see if the Explorer map does
    have it marked on.

    I was back home by 3:30pm having completed my aim of having a quick
    dash to the hills and a night "camping". Total distance: About 11
    miles.

    Judith

  2. Judith said:

    I'm not sure whether it's right to post this here as there wasn't a
    great deal of walking on my latest trip.

    Quoted message said:

    Total distance: About 11 miles.

    I think that qualifies! This isn't uk.rec.long.distance.walking! ;-)

    Quoted message said:

    I awoke a couple of times in the night and was amazed at how many
    stars there were. It was hard to pick out the constellations as there
    were just so many bright stars,

    That's October for you! Partly due to the clear skies (instead of summer
    haze) and partly due to the nights getting darker.

    I've been getting the urge to go camping again. Autumn always has this
    effect on me, in spite of it getting colder, or maybe *because* of it
    getting colder! October is a brilliant time of year for wild camping,
    especially if you camp up high and wake up to a temperature inversion in the
    valley below you.

    Paul
    --
    http://www.wilderness-wales.co.uk/

  3. Judith said:

    I'm not sure whether it's right to post this here as there wasn't a
    great deal of walking on my latest trip.

    Quoted message said:

    Total distance: About 11 miles.

    I think that qualifies! This isn't uk.rec.long.distance.walking! ;-)

    Quoted message said:

    I awoke a couple of times in the night and was amazed at how many
    stars there were. It was hard to pick out the constellations as there
    were just so many bright stars,

    That's October for you! Partly due to the clear skies (instead of summer
    haze) and partly due to the nights getting darker.

    I've been getting the urge to go camping again. Autumn always has this
    effect on me, in spite of it getting colder, or maybe *because* of it
    getting colder! October is a brilliant time of year for wild camping,
    especially if you camp up high and wake up to a temperature inversion in the
    valley below you.

    Paul
    --
    http://www.wilderness-wales.co.uk/

  4. Judith said:

    By 7:25 I was on the move and looking for water.  Breakfast (at about
    9:30) was a lazy affair sitting on a rocky hillock, in the sun,
    drinking hot chocolate and wishing I could stay there all day.  I
    decided that I'd visit the bothy some other time, so there was no need
    to rush now.

    Love this, beautiful, any chance of a kit list Judith?

    jimf

  5. Judith said:

    I'm not sure whether it's right to post this here as there wasn't a
    great deal of walking on my latest trip.

    I have a Goretex bivvy bag which I am planning on trying out in the
    New Forest soon, it's not allowed to wild camp there of course.
    Luckily mine is ex-army issue (camouflage ) so I can just hide under
    the trees some where ! Have you got a water filter or do you boil it ?
    There are campsites and PC's in the New Forest, but I would like to
    have a go wild camping in the Lakes at some point, so I might get a
    filter perhaps.

    Simon

  6. On Oct 8, 6:21 am, mr p <[email hidden]> wrote:
    ..>....Have you got a water filter or do you boil it ?

    Quoted message said:

    There are campsites and PC's in the New Forest, but I would like to
    have a go wild camping in the Lakes at some point, so I might get a
    filter perhaps.

    no need to filter in the lakes
    boil if you want to cook or for tea
    but to drink just gulp it out of a stream
    (dont know about NF water quality)

  7. Jim Farrow said:


    Quoted message said:

    By 7:25 I was on the move and looking for water.  Breakfast (at about
    9:30) was a lazy affair sitting on a rocky hillock, in the sun,
    drinking hot chocolate and wishing I could stay there all day.  I
    decided that I'd visit the bothy some other time, so there was no need
    to rush now.

    Love this, beautiful, any chance of a kit list Judith?

    Off the top of my head, I took:

    - Rab Survival Zone bivi bag
    - Rab Quantum 400 down sleeping bag. It was a cool breezy night; not
    sure whether I'd fancy bivi-ing in this bag in the rain.
    - Decent thickness foam roll-mat. I prefer this to my Thermarest
    Ultralite 3/4 when using the bivi bag as the Rab SZ is designed to be
    used on top of the mat (ie it does not have a reinforced/waterproof
    bottom).
    - Karrimor Trail 35 rucksack. This was my first "proper" rucksack and
    must be about 15 years old. I love it.

    - MSR Pocket Rocket stove
    - MSR Titanium 400ml mug
    - Titanium spork
    I'd taken loads of sandwiches to eat, so I only used my stove for a
    hot drink. Nowadays I tend to use the titanium mug for all my meals
    as it's big enough for couscous or chunky cupasoup and saves me
    carrying a pan.

    - Shoes: Montrail Continental Divide. Yes, I got wet feet but they
    were comfortable.
    - Socks: SmartWool Adrenaline (Light mini crew, I think)

    - Pyjamas: Ron Hills, Berghaus longsleeve ACL, Polar Buff. The Buff,
    worn as a beany hat, made a big difference to how warm I felt. I was
    glad I wore the (thin) Ron Hills but I reckon I could have managed
    with a short sleeved top. I had the sleeping bag neck baffle loosely
    drawn in and I did not tighten the bivi bag drawstring at all. The
    weather forecast had predicted lows of 2degC but my tiny (not very
    accurate) thermometer didn't seem to get down below about 8degC
    whenever I checked it.

    Walking clothes.
    - Paramo Viento trousers with the side zips completely unzipped for
    all but 20 minutes first thing on Saturday morning. It was too warm
    for these trousers and I zipped off the legs on the way home.
    - Paramo Velez Adventure smock - tied to rucksack for all but 20
    minutes on Saturday morning.
    - Berghaus ACL top. I've had this for years and find it very
    comfortable.

    Other stuff :
    - Thin fleece pullover - not required.
    - Sealskinz socks - not worn as I was comfortable with occasional wet
    feet
    - Change of socks and t-shirt in case I got soaked.
    - Headtorch - Petzl Zipka, I think
    - Leatherman
    - 500ml plastic bottle. ie one that I bought water in (at Prague
    airport if I recall correctly!)
    - 1 litre Platypus. Would have been used for camping/dinner water if
    I could have found any.

    Something I did NOT take was my walking poles. I only realised on the
    train and was slightly concerned that I would hurt my knees, but my
    pack was not heavy and I was not walking far or over really rough
    ground so I didn't really miss them.

    Judith

  8. mr p said:

    Have you got a water filter or do you boil it ?

    No, I don't have a filter. It is something I keep considering but
    haven't got round to buying.

    I'm not sure my approach to selecting safe drinking water would stand
    up to scrutiny. It's mainly based on a "feeling" rather than any
    scientific approach. On Saturday I filled my Platypus with water
    from a fast-flowing stream but added iodine tablets as I felt that I
    was still quite near human habitation and farm-land. Only an hour
    later I found another stream which just "felt" better in some way and
    I drank a cup of untreated water from it.

    I can never remember how long you are supposed to boil water for and I
    can also never remember exactly what nasties are killed/filtered by
    various water-treatment processes, so I just try to select my drinking
    water carefully and drop some iodine in it if I am at all concerned.

    Judith

  9. Judith said:
    Jim Farrow said:


    Quoted message said:

    By 7:25 I was on the move and looking for water.  Breakfast (at about
    9:30) was a lazy affair sitting on a rocky hillock, in the sun,
    drinking hot chocolate and wishing I could stay there all day.  I
    decided that I'd visit the bothy some other time, so there was no need
    to rush now.

    Love this, beautiful, any chance of a kit list Judith?

    Off the top of my head, I took:

    - Rab Survival Zone bivi bag
    - Rab Quantum 400 down sleeping bag. It was a cool breezy night; not
    sure whether I'd fancy bivi-ing in this bag in the rain.
    - Decent thickness foam roll-mat. I prefer this to my Thermarest
    Ultralite 3/4 when using the bivi bag as the Rab SZ is designed to be
    used on top of the mat (ie it does not have a reinforced/waterproof
    bottom).
    - Karrimor Trail 35 rucksack. This was my first "proper" rucksack and
    must be about 15 years old. I love it.

    - MSR Pocket Rocket stove
    - MSR Titanium 400ml mug
    - Titanium spork
    I'd taken loads of sandwiches to eat, so I only used my stove for a
    hot drink. Nowadays I tend to use the titanium mug for all my meals
    as it's big enough for couscous or chunky cupasoup and saves me
    carrying a pan.

    - Shoes: Montrail Continental Divide. Yes, I got wet feet but they
    were comfortable.
    - Socks: SmartWool Adrenaline (Light mini crew, I think)

    - Pyjamas: Ron Hills, Berghaus longsleeve ACL, Polar Buff. The Buff,
    worn as a beany hat, made a big difference to how warm I felt. I was
    glad I wore the (thin) Ron Hills but I reckon I could have managed
    with a short sleeved top. I had the sleeping bag neck baffle loosely
    drawn in and I did not tighten the bivi bag drawstring at all. The
    weather forecast had predicted lows of 2degC but my tiny (not very
    accurate) thermometer didn't seem to get down below about 8degC
    whenever I checked it.

    Walking clothes.
    - Paramo Viento trousers with the side zips completely unzipped for
    all but 20 minutes first thing on Saturday morning. It was too warm
    for these trousers and I zipped off the legs on the way home.
    - Paramo Velez Adventure smock - tied to rucksack for all but 20
    minutes on Saturday morning.
    - Berghaus ACL top. I've had this for years and find it very
    comfortable.

    Other stuff :
    - Thin fleece pullover - not required.
    - Sealskinz socks - not worn as I was comfortable with occasional wet
    feet
    - Change of socks and t-shirt in case I got soaked.
    - Headtorch - Petzl Zipka, I think
    - Leatherman
    - 500ml plastic bottle. ie one that I bought water in (at Prague
    airport if I recall correctly!)
    - 1 litre Platypus. Would have been used for camping/dinner water if
    I could have found any.

    Something I did NOT take was my walking poles. I only realised on the
    train and was slightly concerned that I would hurt my knees, but my
    pack was not heavy and I was not walking far or over really rough
    ground so I didn't really miss them.

    Judith

    Thanks Judith, no matter how wet or cold, clean dry socks make all the
    difference (to me anyway)
    have fun

    jimf

  10. kimilseung said:

    On Oct 8, 6:21 am, mr p <[email hidden]> wrote:
    .>....Have you got a water filter or do you boil it ?

    Quoted message said:

    There are campsites and PC's in the New Forest, but I would like to
    have a go wild camping in the Lakes at some point, so I might get a
    filter perhaps.

    no need to filter in the lakes
    boil if you want to cook or for tea
    but to drink just gulp it out of a stream
    (dont know about NF water quality)

    In The Lakes I introduced The Lass to drinking direct from streams, i.e.
    not getting wet, cold hands, and also my generic name for such 'suitable'
    sources: Eweswater.
    --
    Peter.
    You don't understand Newton's Third Law of Motion?
    It's not rocket science, you know.

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