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  1. Thought I'd better write this as pretty soon it'll be very old news.

    Last weekend a group of 17 and a dog set out for Scotland. I've only
    ever been to Scotland a few times before and that was on business so I
    didn't get to see much of it. And what bit I did see didn't prepare me
    for Glencoe. It is truly awesome - it's like driving through the valley
    of the giants.

    The day of the climb seemed dry enough but there were ominous clouds up
    above. I was expecting a gentle start and then some steeper stuff but
    for a flatland walker like me it all seemed steep. Still the training
    I'd done was paying off and I wasn't the slowest by any means.

    I had been told that during the climb you can't actually see the summit.
    You wouldn't have been able to on this day anyway but you could see
    large quantities of cloud rolling off the top. I could well see how Ben
    Nevis got its name form 'neimheas,' meaning venomous or evil one.

    As we climbed higher we faced very strong headwinds. We had plenty of
    stops because it was a very mixed ability group and I don't /remember/
    it being particularly hard. There certainly wasn't a point where I was
    hurting, unlike Snowdon the week before.

    During one of the stops I was amazed to see a young girl in a flimsy
    top, jeans and lightweight fashion trainers go past. She had in her
    hand a can of Irn Bru. Shortly after that the wind got stronger and it
    began to rain. We were pleased to see the girl and her boyfriend
    heading back down. I remarked that this was probably the most sensible
    thing they had done that day. We also saw a young woman and a small boy
    of about 8 or 9 similarly equipped. Steve advised her of her folly and
    they obviously turned back too. I was truly amazed that people would
    venture out with so little preparation.

    As we climbed higher we started to enter the cloud and I started
    thinking of the Jimi Hendrix song Purple Haze. "Scuse me while I kiss
    the sky".

    It got darker and darker as we entered the cloud and the path
    disappeared into the snow field. The rain turned torrential and the
    wind was incredible. Visibility was variable. Steve decided that it was
    too dangerous to continue and called off the attempt. I was so cold and
    wet I was glad. The only thing I could think of was getting out of that
    wind. Two of the party had taken it upon themselves to get to the trig
    point anyway and we had to wait for them. We later found that we had
    been just 50 metres short.

    I didn't care. I had made the serious mistake of not putting on my
    waterproof trousers and was very cold. But the further down I went the
    worse the feeling got. 50 metres. So close. I was gutted and bitter. I
    understood why Steve had made the decision and accepted it, but still
    the feeling of failure would not go away.

    Later as we were descending I got a phone call. I heard that a body had
    been found on the Ben. The evil one had claimed another life. It must
    have been a very hard decision to turn the group back when we were so
    close. But lives are more important than touching trig points and I'm
    still here to tell the tale. So thanks Steve.

    The Ben isn't going anywhere. I will get to the top another day.

    http://www.ckdog.co.uk/htdocs/thumbs.php?gallery=g2
    --
    Geoff Berrow (put thecat out to email)
    It's only Usenet, no one dies.
    My opinions, not the committee's, mine.
    Simple RFDs http://www.ckdog.co.uk/rfdmaker/

  2. Geoff Berrow said:

    Thought I'd better write this as pretty soon it'll be very old news.

    Quoted message said:

    The Ben isn't going anywhere. I will get to the top another day.

    http://www.ckdog.co.uk/htdocs/thumbs.php?gallery=g2

    Great pictures and a great achievement. 50 Metres is only one brown line on
    a map, after a thousand who, except you, is going to care. You made it to
    the top and back again in one piece, and 'enjoyed' the expierience, that is
    the main thing.

    --

    Don`t Worry, Be Happy
    Sandy
    --
    E-Mail:- [email hidden]
    Website:- http://www.ftscotland.co.uk
    Looking for a webhost? Try http://www.1and1.co.uk/?k_id=2966019

  3. Geoff Berrow said:

    Thought I'd better write this as pretty soon it'll be very old news.

    Last weekend a group of 17 and a dog set out for Scotland. I've only
    ever been to Scotland a few times before and that was on business so I
    didn't get to see much of it. And what bit I did see didn't prepare me
    for Glencoe. It is truly awesome - it's like driving through the valley
    of the giants.

    It's more exciting from the top! But beware of Clachaig Gully on the
    descent.

    Quoted message said:

    The day of the climb seemed dry enough but there were ominous clouds up
    above. I was expecting a gentle start and then some steeper stuff but
    for a flatland walker like me it all seemed steep. Still the training
    I'd done was paying off and I wasn't the slowest by any means.

    I had been told that during the climb you can't actually see the summit.
    You wouldn't have been able to on this day anyway but you could see
    large quantities of cloud rolling off the top. I could well see how Ben
    Nevis got its name form 'neimheas,' meaning venomous or evil one.

    I thought the name meant 'mountain with its head in the clouds'.

    Quoted message said:

    As we climbed higher we faced very strong headwinds. We had plenty of
    stops because it was a very mixed ability group and I don't /remember/
    it being particularly hard. There certainly wasn't a point where I was
    hurting, unlike Snowdon the week before.

    During one of the stops I was amazed to see a young girl in a flimsy
    top, jeans and lightweight fashion trainers go past. She had in her
    hand a can of Irn Bru. Shortly after that the wind got stronger and it
    began to rain. We were pleased to see the girl and her boyfriend
    heading back down. I remarked that this was probably the most sensible
    thing they had done that day. We also saw a young woman and a small boy
    of about 8 or 9 similarly equipped. Steve advised her of her folly and
    they obviously turned back too. I was truly amazed that people would
    venture out with so little preparation.

    I've seen people like that on Ben Nevis before. I suspect the vast
    majority set out for a walk along the path and turn back well before
    the summit.

    Quoted message said:

    As we climbed higher we started to enter the cloud and I started
    thinking of the Jimi Hendrix song Purple Haze. "Scuse me while I kiss
    the sky".

    It got darker and darker as we entered the cloud and the path
    disappeared into the snow field. The rain turned torrential and the
    wind was incredible. Visibility was variable. Steve decided that it was
    too dangerous to continue and called off the attempt. I was so cold and
    wet I was glad. The only thing I could think of was getting out of that
    wind. Two of the party had taken it upon themselves to get to the trig
    point anyway and we had to wait for them. We later found that we had
    been just 50 metres short.

    Overshooting the trig point by 50m could mean a 1000ft drop. You were
    right to turn back if anyone had doubts.

    Quoted message said:

    I didn't care. I had made the serious mistake of not putting on my
    waterproof trousers and was very cold. But the further down I went the
    worse the feeling got. 50 metres. So close. I was gutted and bitter. I
    understood why Steve had made the decision and accepted it, but still
    the feeling of failure would not go away.

    It's not failure.

    Quoted message said:

    Later as we were descending I got a phone call. I heard that a body had
    been found on the Ben. The evil one had claimed another life. It must
    have been a very hard decision to turn the group back when we were so
    close. But lives are more important than touching trig points and I'm
    still here to tell the tale. So thanks Steve.

    In February I camped just south of the summit of Aonach Mor intending
    a traverse the Grey Corries the next day. I had such a rotten night,
    so that after summiting Aonach Beag I re-ascended Aonach Mor and took
    the ski lift back down. I was content to have camped at 4000ft in
    winter.

    (Some in this group slated me at the time for taking the lift up in
    the first place and claimed the two Munroes don't count at ticks as I
    hadn't 'flogged up from the valley'. Nonsense say I, I descended
    Aonach Mor to the bealach then ascended Aonach Beag, descended to the
    bealach again then re-ascended Aonach Mor, therefore I 'flogged up'
    both mountains from the low point between them.)

    Quoted message said:

    The Ben isn't going anywhere. I will get to the top another day.

    Good attitude.

    Quoted message said:

    http://www.ckdog.co.uk/htdocs/thumbs.php?gallery=g2

  4. "Geoff Berrow" <[email hidden]> schreef in bericht
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Thought I'd better write this as pretty soon it'll be very old news.

    Last weekend a group of 17 and a dog set out for Scotland. I've only
    ever been to Scotland a few times before and that was on business so I
    didn't get to see much of it. And what bit I did see didn't prepare me
    for Glencoe. It is truly awesome - it's like driving through the valley
    of the giants.

    Like Sandy says : you should be on top of them sometime but take someone who
    knows the Aonach Eagach with you.

    Quoted message said:

    During one of the stops I was amazed to see a young girl in a flimsy
    top, jeans and lightweight fashion trainers go past. She had in her
    hand a can of Irn Bru. Shortly after that the wind got stronger and it
    began to rain. We were pleased to see the girl and her boyfriend
    heading back down. I remarked that this was probably the most sensible
    thing they had done that day. We also saw a young woman and a small boy
    of about 8 or 9 similarly equipped. Steve advised her of her folly and
    they obviously turned back too. I was truly amazed that people would
    venture out with so little preparation.

    Every day and every time of the year.

    Quoted message said:

    It got darker and darker as we entered the cloud and the path
    disappeared into the snow field. The rain turned torrential and the
    wind was incredible. Visibility was variable. Steve decided that it was
    too dangerous to continue and called off the attempt. I was so cold and
    wet I was glad. The only thing I could think of was getting out of that
    wind. Two of the party had taken it upon themselves to get to the trig
    point anyway and we had to wait for them. We later found that we had
    been just 50 metres short.

    Me too :-(

    Quoted message said:

    I didn't care. I had made the serious mistake of not putting on my
    waterproof trousers and was very cold.

    Me too :-((

    Quoted message said:

    But the further down I went the
    worse the feeling got. 50 metres. So close. I was gutted and bitter. I
    understood why Steve had made the decision and accepted it, but still
    the feeling of failure would not go away.

    Later as we were descending I got a phone call. I heard that a body had
    been found on the Ben. The evil one had claimed another life. It must
    have been a very hard decision to turn the group back when we were so
    close. But lives are more important than touching trig points and I'm
    still here to tell the tale. So thanks Steve.

    The Ben isn't going anywhere. I will get to the top another day.

    I did. One year later I saw how far the summit was from my *turning-back*
    point. It was *nothing*. But still no views from the top.

    --
    Theo
    www.theosphotos.fotopic.net

  5. "Geoff Berrow" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Thought I'd better write this as pretty soon it'll be very old news.
    During one of the stops I was amazed to see a young girl in a flimsy
    top, jeans and lightweight fashion trainers go past. She had in her
    hand a can of Irn Bru. Shortly after that the wind got stronger and


    it

    Quoted message said:

    began to rain. We were pleased to see the girl and her boyfriend
    heading back down. I remarked that this was probably the most


    sensible

    Quoted message said:

    thing they had done that day. We also saw a young woman and a small


    boy

    Quoted message said:

    of about 8 or 9 similarly equipped. Steve advised her of her folly


    and

    Quoted message said:

    they obviously turned back too. I was truly amazed that people


    would

    Quoted message said:

    venture out with so little preparation.

    Firstly, Well Done Geoff on a good attempt. it is the whole journey
    that counts, not just the last 50m. On the note above Myself, walking
    partner and son climbed Nevis in April 1999 via the snow and ice
    covered Carn Mor Dearg arrete. I was a tough and difficult day and a
    real feeling of achievement as we reached the plateau in crampons,
    axes and full winter kit. It took the edge of a bit to be greeted by
    a German in a yellow Ralph Lauren Polo shirt, cream slacks, and black
    town shows. Don't know how he made it up but there he was.

    Cheers
    Graham

  6. On Sun, 8 May 2005 08:21:54 +0100, Roger <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    On your head be it.

    Count what you like but in my eyes you are nothing more than a cheat and
    a cheat who is both arrogant and stupid. Arrogant for insulting those
    who accept the normal rules of the game and stupid for bragging about
    how clever you are to make Munro bagging so easy.

    I like that description: an arrogant and stupid cheat.

    I don't suppose you take summit bagging seriously - do you?

  7. Graham Ingram said:

    It took the edge of a bit to be greeted by
    a German in a yellow Ralph Lauren Polo shirt, cream slacks, and black
    town shows. Don't know how he made it up but there he was.

    Imagine finding someone with a piano on the summit!

    http://www.visit-fortwilliam.co.uk/ben_nevis/footpath.htm

    End of third paragraph.

  8. "Roger" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    The message <[email hidden]>
    from C L Imber <[email hidden]> contains these words:

    Quoted message said:

    (Some in this group slated me at the time for taking the lift up in
    the first place and claimed the two Munroes don't count at ticks as I
    hadn't 'flogged up from the valley'. Nonsense say I, I descended
    Aonach Mor to the bealach then ascended Aonach Beag, descended to the
    bealach again then re-ascended Aonach Mor, therefore I 'flogged up'
    both mountains from the low point between them.)

    On your head be it.

    Count what you like but in my eyes you are nothing more than a cheat and
    a cheat who is both arrogant and stupid. Arrogant for insulting those
    who accept the normal rules of the game and stupid for bragging about
    how clever you are to make Munro bagging so easy.

    --
    Roger Chapman so far this year 34 summits
    New - 15 (Marilyns 4, Sweats 1, Outlying Fells 10)
    Repeats - 19 (Marilyns 5, Sweats 10, Wainwrights 12, Outlying Fells
    0)

    Roger Darling

    How refreshing to see an enthusiastic Roderick Spode-ite posting away,
    avoiding in your own posting any tendency to arrogance or stupidity. Do we
    take it from your wording you are of the butch, bold, forward type, and the
    eyes you refer to are blue, clear and true.

    So, only 34 summits this year --- what have you been ill with that has kept
    you off the hill? It couldn't of course be Hospital with nerves or some
    social disease of course.

    Some say the only person "counting" is yourself, but your comments appear to
    have indicate such a raw nerve with you. We can be confident you have not
    uncovered a guilty little secret in your exploits.

    Yours aye

    Rab..

    (5 miles from the summit of the Ben)

  9. "Roger" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    The message <[email hidden]>
    from C L Imber <[email hidden]> contains these words:

    Quoted message said:


    On your head be it.

    Count what you like but in my eyes you are nothing more than a cheat and
    a cheat who is both arrogant and stupid. Arrogant for insulting those
    who accept the normal rules of the game and stupid for bragging about
    how clever you are to make Munro bagging so easy.

    What a numpty.

  10. "Geoff Berrow" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    During one of the stops I was amazed to see a young girl in a flimsy
    top, jeans and lightweight fashion trainers go past. She had in her
    hand a can of Irn Bru. Shortly after that the wind got stronger and


    it

    Quoted message said:

    began to rain. We were pleased to see the girl and her boyfriend
    heading back down. I remarked that this was probably the most


    sensible

    Quoted message said:

    thing they had done that day.

    What, and she didn't slap you?

  11. Geoff Berrow said:

    The Ben isn't going anywhere. I will get to the top another day.

    Good attitude, IMO.

    Great TR, Geoff. I enjoyed reading it and appreciated the honesty. I
    often change my plans en route based on weather, tiredness or just a
    spur-of-the-moment desire to go somewhere else and reckon that getting
    home safely is the mark of a successful trip!

    Magic looks like he had a good day out.

    Judith

  12. Roger said:

    The message <[email hidden]>
    from C L Imber <[email hidden]> contains these words:

    Quoted message said:

    (Some in this group slated me at the time for taking the lift up in
    the first place and claimed the two Munroes don't count at ticks as I
    hadn't 'flogged up from the valley'. Nonsense say I, I descended
    Aonach Mor to the bealach then ascended Aonach Beag, descended to the
    bealach again then re-ascended Aonach Mor, therefore I 'flogged up'
    both mountains from the low point between them.)

    On your head be it.

    Count what you like but in my eyes you are nothing more than a cheat and
    a cheat who is both arrogant and stupid. Arrogant for insulting those
    who accept the normal rules of the game and stupid for bragging about
    how clever you are to make Munro bagging so easy.


    Roger

    You forgot to add a smiley after your post. A simple mistake like this
    could lead people to think that you are an arrogant pillock.

    druidh

  13. Judith said:

    Great TR, Geoff. I enjoyed reading it and appreciated the
    honesty. I often change my plans en route based on weather,
    tiredness or just a spur-of-the-moment desire to go somewhere else
    and reckon that getting home safely is the mark of a successful
    trip!

    It can be /very/ hard 🙂

    Some years ago, I was walking in the Abruzzo mountains (central Italy)
    together with a friend.

    One day, we walked up a long valley and stayed at its top end overnight
    to do the steep final ascent (about 500 metres in height) to the ridge
    (2000 m) next morning.

    Next day, we did so as planned, until merely 50 metres (in height)
    below the top there was (in July!) still a narrow but very steep strip
    of snow in a shady crack which our path led across, but we had no
    proper equipment for snow-walking, nor ropes.

    After some minutes of decision we turned and walked back the entire
    previous day's walk (there was no other exit from the valley) :-(

    There was no more than 10 metres of snow to cross, but it would have
    been too dangerous.

    vG

    --
    ~~~~~~ Volker Gringmuth ~~~~~~~~~~~ http://einklich.net/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    "Ich bitte Sie, zwei Millionen Mark in sechs Jahren,
    das ist doch keine Bestechung!" (Helmut Kohl im Juni 2000)

  14. I noticed that Message-ID: <[email hidden]> from
    AndyP contained the following:

    Quoted message said:

    I remarked that this was probably the most
    sensible

    Quoted message said:

    thing they had done that day.

    What, and she didn't slap you?

    Not to her. I'm not stupid...

    --
    Geoff Berrow (put thecat out to email)
    It's only Usenet, no one dies.
    My opinions, not the committee's, mine.
    Simple RFDs http://www.ckdog.co.uk/rfdmaker/

  15. On Sun, 08 May 2005 10:25:31 GMT, druidh <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Roger said:

    The message <[email hidden]>
    from C L Imber <[email hidden]> contains these words:

    Quoted message said:

    (Some in this group slated me at the time for taking the lift up in
    the first place and claimed the two Munroes don't count at ticks as I
    hadn't 'flogged up from the valley'. Nonsense say I, I descended
    Aonach Mor to the bealach then ascended Aonach Beag, descended to the
    bealach again then re-ascended Aonach Mor, therefore I 'flogged up'
    both mountains from the low point between them.)

    On your head be it.

    Count what you like but in my eyes you are nothing more than a cheat and
    a cheat who is both arrogant and stupid. Arrogant for insulting those
    who accept the normal rules of the game and stupid for bragging about
    how clever you are to make Munro bagging so easy.


    Roger

    You forgot to add a smiley after your post. A simple mistake like this
    could lead people to think that you are an arrogant pillock.

    druidh

    It depends on what we're talking about, doesn't it? Roger is talking
    about doing a particular challenge/task according to specific rules.
    Other people approach it differently. Bit like the 3 peaks.....
    --
    R
    o
    o
    n
    e
    y

    "I always knew the entire Green party were nutters" - Ken Livingstone

  16. Rooney said:

    On Sun, 08 May 2005 10:25:31 GMT, druidh <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Roger said:

    The message <[email hidden]>
    from C L Imber <[email hidden]> contains these words:

    >(Some in this group slated me at the time for taking the lift up in
    >the first place and claimed the two Munroes don't count at ticks as I
    >hadn't 'flogged up from the valley'. Nonsense say I, I descended
    >Aonach Mor to the bealach then ascended Aonach Beag, descended to the
    >bealach again then re-ascended Aonach Mor, therefore I 'flogged up'
    >both mountains from the low point between them.)

    On your head be it.

    Count what you like but in my eyes you are nothing more than a cheat and
    a cheat who is both arrogant and stupid. Arrogant for insulting those
    who accept the normal rules of the game and stupid for bragging about
    how clever you are to make Munro bagging so easy.

    Roger

    You forgot to add a smiley after your post. A simple mistake like this
    could lead people to think that you are an arrogant pillock.

    druidh

    It depends on what we're talking about, doesn't it? Roger is talking
    about doing a particular challenge/task according to specific rules.
    Other people approach it differently. Bit like the 3 peaks.....

    Oh - where are these rules?

    druidh

  17. On Sun, 08 May 2005 13:01:48 GMT, druidh <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Rooney said:

    On Sun, 08 May 2005 10:25:31 GMT, druidh <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Roger wrote:

    >The message <[email hidden]>
    >from C L Imber <[email hidden]> contains these words:
    >
    >
    >
    >>(Some in this group slated me at the time for taking the lift up in
    >>the first place and claimed the two Munroes don't count at ticks as I
    >>hadn't 'flogged up from the valley'. Nonsense say I, I descended
    >>Aonach Mor to the bealach then ascended Aonach Beag, descended to the
    >>bealach again then re-ascended Aonach Mor, therefore I 'flogged up'
    >>both mountains from the low point between them.)
    >
    >
    >On your head be it.
    >
    >Count what you like but in my eyes you are nothing more than a cheat and
    >a cheat who is both arrogant and stupid. Arrogant for insulting those
    >who accept the normal rules of the game and stupid for bragging about
    >how clever you are to make Munro bagging so easy.
    >

    Roger

    You forgot to add a smiley after your post. A simple mistake like this
    could lead people to think that you are an arrogant pillock.

    druidh

    It depends on what we're talking about, doesn't it? Roger is talking
    about doing a particular challenge/task according to specific rules.
    Other people approach it differently. Bit like the 3 peaks.....

    Oh - where are these rules?

    A deeply philosophical question! Where do rules exist? Do they have an
    existence separately from their written or oral expression?
    --
    R
    o
    o
    n
    e
    y

    "I always knew the entire Green party were nutters" - Ken Livingstone

  18. In article <[email hidden]>, Graham Ingram
    <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:


    Firstly, Well Done Geoff on a good attempt. it is the whole journey
    that counts, not just the last 50m.

    I agree with you Graham.

    Think of it as a five course meal. Leaving a little of the dessert on
    the plate is good manners and polite.
    --
    Bill Grey
    http://www.billboy.co.uk

  19. Quoted message said:

    It depends on what we're talking about, doesn't it? Roger is talking
    about doing a particular challenge/task according to specific rules.
    Other people approach it differently. Bit like the 3 peaks.....

    Yes, I am sure people know there are rules, but why should Roger use such
    inflammatory words against some else who goes about the Munroes in is own
    (and believing correct) way. He would appear to be the only person who can
    'bag' - something I thing is a stupid word anyway - a peak. Is he the
    holder and proficient summiteer in the land!

    Perhaps Roger needs a 'chill out' pill.

    --
    sandy saunders @ www.thewalkzone.co.uk
    email: saunders.sandy at ntlworld.com

    'Mountains or Mole Hills ... summiting still
    brings the same excitement'

  20. sandy saunders said:

    Perhaps Roger needs a 'chill out' pill.

    I can see his point.

    When I cycled the Raid Pyrenean (a cycle ride in ten days or fewer,
    from the Atlantic to Mediterranean along the Pyrenees) I did so
    carrying a tent and camping gear. Every night I camped.

    There are those who cycle it in ten days or fewer with a motorised
    support vehicle ferrying their gear from one hotel to the next.

    I'd claim that my method was purer - but of course objectives are
    different. There may be those who claim that you have to do it on a
    mountain bike and ride the Haute Route Pyrenees rather than using
    roads.

    My challenge on Aonach Mor was camping out at 4000ft in winter
    conditions and then a traverse of the Grey Corries. I achieved the
    first but the second was a non-starter. The bagging on the two
    munroes is, to me, an insignificant detail. However, I do still
    intend a traverse of the Grey Corries - but I'd quite like to start
    from Ben Nevis, Carn Mor Dearg, Aonoch Mor, Aonach Beag and onward.
    In my current state it'd probably take me three days with two nights
    out.

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