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  1. Sunshine! Right, that's the TR over. Five consecutive days of clear blue skies and good visibility.
    Wastwater like a mirror Saturday morning. I have now had IIRC 14 consecutive days (for me) without
    rain. Makes up for the opposite in the past.

    Question for those with time on the hands:- Great Gable, Wrynose, Wasdale, Scawfell, Yewbarrow. A
    list placed in a logical order, but what is the logic?

    --
    Mike Reid "Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso UK walking "fellwalk.co.ukfellwalk.co.uk"
    <-- you can email us@ this site Spain,cuisines and walking "fell-walker.co.ukfell-walker.co.uk" <--
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  2. A shot in the dark - Wasdale Inn ales arranged in order of alcohol content perhaps ?

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    Peace !

    Steve Wilcox

    "If Whisky Don't Kill Me I'll Live 'Til I Die"

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    Quoted message said:

    Sunshine! Right, that's the TR over. Five consecutive days of
    clear blue skies and good visibility. Wastwater like a mirror
    Saturday morning. I have now had IIRC 14 consecutive days (for
    me) without rain. Makes up for the opposite in the past.

    Question for those with time on the hands:-
    Great Gable, Wrynose, Wasdale, Scawfell, Yewbarrow.
    A list placed in a logical order, but what is the logic?

    --
    Mike Reid
    "Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
    UK walking "fellwalk.co.ukfellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
    Spain,cuisines and walking "fell-walker.co.ukfell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@


    all, it's a spamtrap

  3. Reid© said:

    Sunshine! Right, that's the TR over. Five consecutive days of clear blue skies and good
    visibility. Wastwater like a mirror Saturday morning. I have now had IIRC 14 consecutive days (for
    me) without rain. Makes up for the opposite in the past.

    Question for those with time on the hands:- Great Gable, Wrynose, Wasdale, Scawfell, Yewbarrow. A
    list placed in a logical order, but what is the logic?


    Chronological order of the first moutain rescues?

  4. In article <[email hidden]>, Reid© <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    Following up to Chris Street

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Question for those with time on the hands:- Great Gable, Wrynose, Wasdale, Scawfell, Yewbarrow.
    A list placed in a logical order, but what is the logic?


    Chronological order of the first moutain rescues?

    Interesting thought. Unless there has been one since, "Gable" was the sight of the latest a couple
    of days ago.

    Anyone know where the first team was set up and what the first rescue was?

    From the MRC website "the first civilian teams not being formed until 1947 at Keswick and Coniston"

    mountain.rescue.org.ukhistory.html

    Obviously many rescues prior to that so that part of the question remains a mystery - to me
    at least...

    --

    dscs.demon.co.ukdscs.demon.co.uk

  5. Following up to Reid©

    Quoted message said:

    Sunshine! Right, that's the TR over. Five consecutive days of clear blue skies and good visibility

    got some evidence back from Fuji (OK you digital lot, so it takes weeks :-) ) Ist roll of 100ASA
    Velvia anyway (yes, thats f - i - l - m). I think I will be using it in future.

    "fellwalk.co.ukscafell2.htm" "fellwalk.co.ukwaspic350.htm"
    "fellwalk.co.ukwaspic370.htm" "fellwalk.co.ukwaspic340.htm"
    "fellwalk.co.ukwaspic360.htm"
    --
    Mike Reid "Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso UK walking "fellwalk.co.ukfellwalk.co.uk"
    <-- you can email us@ this site Spain,cuisines and walking "fell-walker.co.ukfell-walker.co.uk" <--
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  6. Following up to steve Wilcox

    Quoted message said:

    A shot in the dark - Wasdale Inn ales arranged in order of alcohol content perhaps ?

    Spot on! Yewbarrow (nee Yulebarrow strongest).
    --
    Mike Reid "Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso UK walking "fellwalk.co.ukfellwalk.co.uk"
    <-- you can email us@ this site Spain,cuisines and walking "fell-walker.co.ukfell-walker.co.uk" <--
    dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap

  7. Following up to Chris Street

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Question for those with time on the hands:- Great Gable, Wrynose, Wasdale, Scawfell, Yewbarrow. A
    list placed in a logical order, but what is the logic?


    Chronological order of the first moutain rescues?

    Interesting thought. Unless there has been one since, "Gable" was the sight of the latest a couple
    of days ago.

    Anyone know where the first team was set up and what the first rescue was?
    --
    Mike Reid "Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso UK walking "fellwalk.co.ukfellwalk.co.uk"
    <-- you can email us@ this site Spain,cuisines and walking "fell-walker.co.ukfell-walker.co.uk" <--
    dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap

  8. On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 13:28:24 +0100, Reid© <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Following up to Chris Street

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Question for those with time on the hands:- Great Gable, Wrynose, Wasdale, Scawfell, Yewbarrow.
    A list placed in a logical order, but what is the logic?


    Chronological order of the first moutain rescues?

    Interesting thought. Unless there has been one since, "Gable" was the sight of the latest a couple
    of days ago.

    Anyone know where the first team was set up and what the first rescue was?

    There is some archive transcript on the LAMRT site, from the 30s I think, that's quite good. Things
    must have been very basic in those days. lamrt.org.uklamrt.org.uk then follow the links down the
    right of the page.

    --
    Paul My Lake District walking site (updated 29th September 2003): paulrooney.netfirms.compaulrooney.netfirms.com 114
    Wainwrights

    Please sponsor me for the London Marathon at: justgiving.comlondon2004

  9. Paul Rooney said:

    There is some archive transcript on the LAMRT site, from the 30s I think, that's quite good. Things
    must have been very basic in those days. lamrt.org.uklamrt.org.uk then follow the links down the
    right of the page.

    Click on history ayt the top on that page then the links down the right of the "history" page.
    javascript don't yer just love it? :-)
    --
    Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"

  10. Phil Cook said:
    Paul Rooney said:

    There is some archive transcript on the LAMRT site, from the 30s I think, that's quite good.
    Things must have been very basic in those days. lamrt.org.uklamrt.org.uk then follow the links
    down the right of the page.

    Click on history ayt the top on that page then the links down the right of the "history" page.
    javascript don't yer just love it? :-)

    Ooops - that's it, Phil. Thanks. This, btw, is the best of all the MRT sites, imo. Nick Owen writes
    some very funny rescue reports. Well worth browsing.

    --
    Paul My Lake District walking site (updated 29th September 2003): paulrooney.netfirms.compaulrooney.netfirms.com 114
    Wainwrights

    Please sponsor me for the London Marathon at: justgiving.comlondon2004

  11. Following up to Phil Cook

    Quoted message said:

    Click on history ayt the top on that page then the links down the right of the "history" page.
    javascript don't yer just love it? :-)

    I liked the policeman standing on the runningboard using his torch to light the road for the fused
    lights ambulance at full speed of 18 mph.
    --
    Mike Reid "Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso UK walking "fellwalk.co.ukfellwalk.co.uk"
    <-- you can email us@ this site Spain,cuisines and walking "fell-walker.co.ukfell-walker.co.uk" <--
    dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap

  12. Reid said:

    got some evidence back from Fuji (OK you digital lot, so it takes weeks :-) ) Ist roll of 100ASA
    Velvia anyway (yes, thats f - i - l - m). I think I will be using it in future.

    Currently experimenting with Astia. Not claimed to be as sharp as Velvia, but I'm wondering how much
    that has to do with the lower contrast. High contrast tends to make an image look sharper, so I
    wonder how they actually measure sharpness. In the Fuji Data Guide, the "resolving power" mentions
    "chart contrast", which makes me wonder if boosting the contrast would actually boost sharpness (or
    apparent sharpness). I like the lower contrast of Astia, since it's closer to digital and allows me
    more leeway in post-processing, but I'd end up boosting the contrast for the final result. More on
    film below.

    Quoted message said:

    "fellwalk.co.ukscafell2.htm"

    Very nice, rocky, barren, lichens. Good low light giving interesting relief.

    Quoted message said:

    "fellwalk.co.ukwaspic350.htm"

    Very pretty, nice crop. A slight pity that the tops of the trees touch the background shadow.

    Quoted message said:

    "fellwalk.co.ukwaspic370.htm"

    Good, well-balanced composition. Although I don't normally like man-made stuff in a photo, the fence
    posts in the foreground make the picture. Very well composed. But are some of those fence-posts
    overexposed? Or did that happen during post-processing?

    Quoted message said:

    "fellwalk.co.ukwaspic340.htm"

    Very nice minimalist composition, and again a nice crop. I'd like to have seen a little bit more
    water on the left hand side of the shot though.

    Quoted message said:

    "fellwalk.co.ukwaspic360.htm"

    Not overly keen on this one, but nice low light and diagonals. Perhaps this could do with a teeny
    bit of extra saturation to lift the colours? It looks a bit dull for morning colours.

    Fuji Data
    ***********

    Granularity

    Provia: 8 (highest standard of grain quality in the ISO 100 class) Velvia: 9 (extremely fine grain)
    Astia: 10 (very fine grain)

    Resolving Power (Chart Contrast 1.6:1 - 1000:1)

    Velvia: 80-160 lines/mm (high sharpness) Provia: 60-140 lines/mm (highest standard of sharpness in
    the ISO 100 class) Astia: 55-135 lines/mm (enhanced sharpness)

    I'm still not sure of the relationship between grain and sharpness. I used to think that finer grain
    equalled greater sharpness, so why is Velvia sharper than Provia if Provia has the finest grain? Is
    it to do with the way sharpness (resolving power) is measured? What does "chart contrast" mean
    exactly? Is the resolving power a measure of sharpness or of contrast, or both? Perhaps it's not a
    coincidence that Velvia is rated as being the sharpest, since it's the most contrasty. Perhaps
    sharpness is defined by contrast? In which case, wouldn't boosting the sharpness on Astia change the
    numbers above?

    FUJICHROME VELVIA 50 Professional-quality, medium-speed, daylight-type reversal film with extremely
    fine grain, high sharpness and enhanced colors. Suited to landscape photography and commercial uses
    such as fashion, product and advertising photography, and the production of greatly enlarged high-
    quality printed material such as posters, etc. Provides the highest sharpness of all FUJICHROME
    films along with full gray scale response, greatly improved color reproduction, enhanced feeling of
    depth and high suitability for pushprocessing up to one stop.

    FUJICHROME PROVIA 100 Professional-quality, medium-speed, daylight-type color reversal film with the
    highest standard of grain quality and sharpness in the ISO 100 class. Suited to a wide range of
    photographic work, making it ideal for commercial, fashion, portrait and landscape applications.
    Provides exceptionally fine grain equalling that of ISO 25-50 film, vivid color reproduction, rich
    tones and well-controlled gradation balance, has improved reciprocity characteristics and maintains
    high image quality even when push-/pull-processed.

    FUJICHROME ASTIA 100 Professional-quality, medium-speed, daylight-type color reversal film with very
    fine grain, enhanced sharpness and high image quality for universal applications. Suited
    particularly to fashion photography, but also excellent for commercial and other photographic
    applications where original images are intended for reproduction by printing. Provides beautiful
    skin tones, faithful color reproduction, rich tone reproduction, enhanced color temperature-related
    characteristics and good push-/pull-processing (minus one-half to plus one stop) suitability.

    Paul
    --
    The October Project 2003
    wildwales.fsnet.co.ukoctober.html
    wilderness-wales.co.ukwilderness-wales.co.uk
    photosig.comuserphotos

  13. Following up to Paul Saunders

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    "fellwalk.co.ukscafell2.htm"

    Very nice, rocky, barren, lichens. Good low light giving interesting relief.

    reward for getting up in middle of night, if there had been any clouds the sunrise shot would have
    been good.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    "fellwalk.co.ukwaspic350.htm"

    Very pretty, nice crop. A slight pity that the tops of the trees touch the background shadow.

    I had to lay down to get the reflection, also standing up for higher viewpoint would be hard to
    combine :-)

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    "fellwalk.co.ukwaspic370.htm"

    Good, well-balanced composition. Although I don't normally like man-made stuff in a photo, the
    fence posts in the foreground make the picture. Very well composed. But are some of those fence-
    posts overexposed? Or did that happen during post-processing?

    I'm getting easier going on man made, the ELD landscape is partially man made, after all.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    "fellwalk.co.ukwaspic340.htm"

    Very nice minimalist composition, and again a nice crop. I'd like to have seen a little bit more
    water on the left hand side of the shot though.

    I wish I had the Pentax 15mm!

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    "fellwalk.co.ukwaspic360.htm"

    Not overly keen on this one, but nice low light and diagonals. Perhaps this could do with a teeny
    bit of extra saturation to lift the colours? It looks a bit dull for morning colours.

    I like it, nobody else does it seems.

    Quoted message said:

    Fuji Data
    ***********

    Granularity

    Provia: 8 (highest standard of grain quality in the ISO 100 class) Velvia: 9 (extremely fine grain)
    Astia: 10 (very fine grain)

    Resolving Power (Chart Contrast 1.6:1 - 1000:1)

    Velvia: 80-160 lines/mm (high sharpness) Provia: 60-140 lines/mm (highest standard of sharpness in
    the ISO 100 class) Astia: 55-135 lines/mm (enhanced sharpness)

    I'm still not sure of the relationship between grain and sharpness. I used to think that finer
    grain equalled greater sharpness, so why is Velvia sharper than Provia if Provia has the finest
    grain? Is it to do with the way sharpness (resolving power) is measured? What does "chart contrast"
    mean exactly? Is the resolving power a measure of sharpness or of contrast, or both? Perhaps it's
    not a coincidence that Velvia is rated as being the sharpest, since it's the most contrasty.
    Perhaps sharpness is defined by contrast? In which case, wouldn't boosting the sharpness on Astia
    change the numbers above?

    Thanks for the info, I don't know the answers, I'm rather confused by the data Fuji give, there
    seems no obvious winner although i'm happy to take the extra stop with Velvia 100

    What has cheered me up is the next roll finally did turn up after 3 weeks in the post strike! Of
    course while it was missing I convinced myself it was full of masterpieces. Here they are:-

    --
    Mike Reid "Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso UK walking & photos
    "fellwalk.co.ukfellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site Spain,cuisines and walking "fell-fell-
    walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap

  14. Paul Saunders said:


    Quoted message said:

    "fellwalk.co.ukscafell2.htm"

    Very nice, rocky, barren, lichens. Good low light giving interesting relief.


    I like this one too. What time of day is it?

    Bernie

  15. Following up to Bernie Hughes

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    "fellwalk.co.ukscafell2.htm"

    Very nice, rocky, barren, lichens. Good low light giving interesting relief.


    I like this one too. What time of day is it?

    about 7.30 am IIRC, a few weeks back.
    --
    Mike Reid "Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso Wasdale, Thames path, London, landscapes
    "fellwalk.co.ukfellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site Spain,cuisines and walking "fell-fell-
    walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap

  16. Reid said:

    I had to lay down to get the reflection, also standing up for higher viewpoint would be hard to
    combine :-)

    A common problem...

    Quoted message said:

    I wish I had the Pentax 15mm!

    There's a Sigma 12mm now I believe, and a 12-24mm zoom.

    Quoted message said:

    What has cheered me up is the next roll finally did turn up after 3 weeks in the post strike! Of
    course while it was missing I convinced myself it was full of masterpieces. Here they are:-

    Just like the masterpieces on my roll of Tryfan that was lost I suspect. No, actually, I'm pretty
    sure those shots weren't the best, but still, I don't photograph Tryfan that often so it's still
    really annoying to lose them. Some of them may have been usable, I vaguely recall a shot of dark
    brooding clouds above Tryfan, that may have had some potential.

    One of the advantages of digital is that your shots can't get lost in the post, and if you use
    multiple cameras and shoot the same subjects with each (even if different compositions) then losing
    one roll of film at least won't mean losing all records of the trip.

    Paul
    --
    wildwales.fsnet.co.ukoctober.html
    wilderness-wales.co.ukwilderness-wales.co.uk
    photosig.comuserphotos

  17. Following up to Paul Saunders

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I wish I had the Pentax 15mm!

    There's a Sigma 12mm now I believe, and a 12-24mm zoom.

    I'll have a look
    --
    Mike Reid "Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso Walking-food-photos, Wasdale, Thames,
    London etc "fellwalk.co.ukfellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site and same for Spain at "fell-fell-
    walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap

  18. Reid said:
    Quoted message said:

    There's a Sigma 12mm now I believe, and a 12-24mm zoom.

    I'll have a look

    Almost as wide as my panoramic camera! I'd expect vignetting to be a problem though, have to keep it
    stopped right down. Probably useful mainly for digital SLRs where the darker lens edges wouldn't be
    included in the picture - equivalent to 20-30mm. sigmaphoto.com12 24.htm

    Their widest non fish-eye is only 14mm. sigmaphoto.comFixed.htm

    The 12-24mm is £570 according to this site.
    cameraworld.co.ukDisplayProduct1.asp
    =38

    Take a look at some of the other lenses on this page. Some are designed exclusively for digital
    SLRs, with a smaller image circle. The sizes and prices of the lenses are correspondingly smaller,
    for example the 55-200mm for just £130, weight only 310g (10.9oz), equivalent to 92-333mm.

    Probably not the best quality in the world, but ideal as a cheap, light telephoto for a 300D for
    example, until you could afford something better.

    Paul
    --
    wildwales.fsnet.co.ukoctober.html
    wilderness-wales.co.ukwilderness-wales.co.uk
    photosig.comuserphotos

  19. Following up to Reid

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    There's a Sigma 12mm now I believe, and a 12-24mm zoom.

    I'll have a look

    there was a 14 and the zoom, both with AF motors, but I suppose I can ignore that?
    --
    Mike Reid "Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso Walking-food-photos, Wasdale, Thames,
    London etc "fellwalk.co.ukfellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site and same for Spain at "fell-fell-
    walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap

  20. Paul Saunders said:

    One of the advantages of digital is that your shots can't get lost in the post,

    They just get lost in the digital black hole of a HDD or CF card crash :-(

    I've had puter problems recently, thankfully just a blown motherboard.

    Quoted message said:

    and if you use multiple cameras and shoot the same subjects with each (even if different
    compositions) then losing one roll of film at least won't mean losing all records of the trip.

    One of the reasons that pros take so many shots is so they have some redundancy in case of
    mechanical or chemical mishap.
    --
    Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"

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