Touring Trikes

BeeRich said:

Hello folks. Avid cyclist here. Love touring, but haven't done it in
a long time. I would like to get back into it, and saw that some
recumbents are super for touring.

I'm expecially interested in the Trikes (two front wheels, one rear
wheel).

Any recommendations for great touring trikes, or are they all somewhat
built to hold months worth of equipment?

No. While almost all trikes COULD be made to work (just add trailer)
the performance oriented models will have lower cargo carrying
capacity, will not come set up for touring, and are not designed for
heavy loads. Unlike bicycles, trikes are subject to high torsion
stresses in the frame, so durability when heavily loaded becomes an
issue. Get a dedicated touring trike.

Quoted message said:

I guess I'm looking to max out storage. More storage == greater
flexibility of the trip.

Is this enough storage: <http://www.greenspeed.com.au/GTEbags500.jpg>?
[1]

Here is a very high quality trike that is also designed to carry four
(4) panniers: <http://www.ice.hpv.co.uk/trikes_explorer.htm>.

Neither trike is inexpensive, but one should not be cutting corners
when it comes to extended self-supported touring.

[1]
<http://www.greenspeed.com.au/NewGSweb/web-content/australia/models/design/gtedesgn.html>.
--
Tom Sherman - Fox River Valley

Sunset Lowracer TM Fanatic said:

Is this enough storage: <http://www.greenspeed.com.au/GTEbags500.jpg>?
[1]

Here is a very high quality trike that is also designed to carry four
(4) panniers: <http://www.ice.hpv.co.uk/trikes_explorer.htm>.

Neither trike is inexpensive, but one should not be cutting corners
when it comes to extended self-supported touring.

--
Tom Sherman - Fox River Valley

Congratulations Tom for being the only "long time" poster on ARBR who
keeps on the subject. In times gone by I posted 3 to 5 times daily
about bents, yet people went off posting about everything other than
recumbent trikes. Now; personal or brand attacks- like all readers are
2 year olds. Just plain shows the lack of intelligence, experience;
and missing care for other "newbies".

Some people are not at all familiar with American slang and cannot
even try to understand what I wrote. I dwindled down to 1 post a day,
then 3 a week, now 1 a month- if that- on Sunday only. It's sort of
like ' now that I have my TerraTrike, my Sun tadpole, and my
velomobile- you can fend for yourselves' while I write about whatever I
want to . I eventually had to look elsewhere, but every once in a
while: reminise the good-ol-days on ARBR from 1999 to about 2004.

I sure appreciate people discussing 'bents to a newbie, as I once
was. I went all through delta versus tadpole design, power-assist
motors, steering geometry (and A.S.S. vs U.S.S., suspension, fairings,
velomobiles, trailers, panniers, drum vs. disk brakes, and much more.
Thanks to people like you I had a chance to follow my human powered
vehicle dreams!

Chris Jordan
Santa Cruz, CA.

ICE have reduced the price now so check out
http://www.ice.hpv.co.uk/trikes_t.htm
the ICE T its 1500 UK pounds and beautifully hand made.

SW

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Quoted message said:

BeeRich said:

Hello folks. Avid cyclist here. Love touring, but haven't done it in
a long time. I would like to get back into it, and saw that some
recumbents are super for touring.

I'm expecially interested in the Trikes (two front wheels, one rear
wheel).

Any recommendations for great touring trikes, or are they all somewhat
built to hold months worth of equipment?

No. While almost all trikes COULD be made to work (just add trailer)
the performance oriented models will have lower cargo carrying
capacity, will not come set up for touring, and are not designed for
heavy loads. Unlike bicycles, trikes are subject to high torsion
stresses in the frame, so durability when heavily loaded becomes an
issue. Get a dedicated touring trike.

Quoted message said:

I guess I'm looking to max out storage. More storage == greater
flexibility of the trip.

Is this enough storage: <http://www.greenspeed.com.au/GTEbags500.jpg>?
[1]

Here is a very high quality trike that is also designed to carry four
(4) panniers: <http://www.ice.hpv.co.uk/trikes_explorer.htm>.

Neither trike is inexpensive, but one should not be cutting corners
when it comes to extended self-supported touring.

[1]

<http://www.greenspeed.com.au/NewGSweb/web-content/australia/models/design/g
tedesgn.html>.

Quoted message said:

--
Tom Sherman - Fox River Valley

Steve W said:

ICE have reduced the price now so check out
http://www.ice.hpv.co.uk/trikes_t.htm
the ICE T its 1500 UK pounds and beautifully hand made.

I hope that 1,500 pounds refers to the price of the ICE T and not the
weight! 😉

It should be noted that the ICE T has drum brakes instead of discs.
While I suspect that the drums are adequate in most situations, there
relative lack of fade resistance compared to disc brakes would be of
concern when descending roads such as this one:
<http://www.omniplan.hu/2003-SuedTirol/Stelvio/6260-RoadToPassoDiStelvio.jpg>.

If there was a reasonable probability of riding in the mountains with a
touring load, I would consider have custom wide rear dropout spacing
(if available) and an Arai drag brake installed.
--
Tom Sherman - Fox River Valley

Quoted message said:

I hope that 1,500 pounds refers to the price of the ICE T and not the
weight! 😉

It should be noted that the ICE T has drum brakes instead of discs.
While I suspect that the drums are adequate in most situations, there
relative lack of fade resistance compared to disc brakes would be of
concern when descending roads such as this one:

<http://www.omniplan.hu/2003-SuedTirol/Stelvio/6260-RoadToPassoDiStelvio.jpg

Quoted message said:

.

If there was a reasonable probability of riding in the mountains with a
touring load, I would consider have custom wide rear dropout spacing
(if available) and an Arai drag brake installed.
--
Tom Sherman - Fox River Valley

Well i suppose if you load it up to 1500lbs you will need the drag brake!!
But I feel that the drums are sufficent for most all touring but if in doubt
ask the guys at ICE. I know you will get an honest answer.

SW in the UK

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I hope that 1,500 pounds refers to the price of the ICE T and not the
weight! 😉

It should be noted that the ICE T has drum brakes instead of discs.
While I suspect that the drums are adequate in most situations, there
relative lack of fade resistance compared to disc brakes would be of
concern when descending roads such as this one:

<http://www.omniplan.hu/2003-SuedTirol/Stelvio/6260-RoadToPassoDiStelvio.jpg

Quoted message said:

.

If there was a reasonable probability of riding in the mountains with a
touring load, I would consider have custom wide rear dropout spacing
(if available) and an Arai drag brake installed.
--
Tom Sherman - Fox River Valley

Well i suppose if you load it up to 1500lbs you will need the drag brake!!
But I feel that the drums are sufficent for most all touring but if in doubt
ask the guys at ICE. I know you will get an honest answer.

SW in the UK

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Congratulations Tom for being the only "long time" poster on ARBR who
keeps on the subject. In times gone by I posted 3 to 5 times daily
about bents, yet people went off posting about everything other than
recumbent trikes. Now; personal or brand attacks- like all readers are
2 year olds. Just plain shows the lack of intelligence, experience;
and missing care for other "newbies".

Some people are not at all familiar with American slang and cannot
even try to understand what I wrote. I dwindled down to 1 post a day,
then 3 a week, now 1 a month- if that- on Sunday only. It's sort of
like ' now that I have my TerraTrike, my Sun tadpole, and my
velomobile- you can fend for yourselves' while I write about whatever I
want to . I eventually had to look elsewhere, but every once in a
while: reminise the good-ol-days on ARBR from 1999 to about 2004.

I sure appreciate people discussing 'bents to a newbie, as I once
was. I went all through delta versus tadpole design, power-assist
motors, steering geometry (and A.S.S. vs U.S.S., suspension, fairings,
velomobiles, trailers, panniers, drum vs. disk brakes, and much more.
Thanks to people like you I had a chance to follow my human powered
vehicle dreams!

Well, yes, Tom Sherman has always been very good about posting solid
information to newbies here on ARBR, at least when he is not trying to be a
smart aleck. Hells Bells, I listen to what he has to say about recumbents
myself. That has never been my bone of contention with him. It has always
been on off topic subjects where I regard him as crazy as a loony bird.

One other area where I have had the most profound disagreement with him is
on his tolerance for criminal vandal trolls. He mistakes truly harmless
satire and parody for the other kind which is anything but harmless. How an
otherwise intelligent man can have such a blind spot when it comes to
criminal behavior here on ARBR is beyond me.

Chris Jordan has been fairly good over the years, but he just ups and leaves
when things get heated. That is OK for him to do this as he is not a
mainstay of the group like Tom Sherman is. However, it is NOT OK for Tom
Sherman to just get up and leave when things get heated. More is expected of
him.

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

BeeRich said:

I'm expecially interested in the Trikes (two front wheels, one rear
wheel).

I'm in Toronto, so anything based in North America would be great.
However, if my first trip is in England/Scotland/Wales, I might just
get one there when I decide to go over.

www.wizwheelz.com is in the US, near canada.

Rich

Rich said:

BeeRich said:

I'm expecially interested in the Trikes (two front wheels, one rear
wheel).

I'm in Toronto, so anything based in North America would be great.
However, if my first trip is in England/Scotland/Wales, I might just
get one there when I decide to go over.

www.wizwheelz.com is in the US, near [C]anada.

WizWheelz is located on the west side of Hastings, Michigan,
approximately 4-1/2 miles from Podunk and about 92 miles from Hell [1].

However, <http://www.wizwheelz.com/> is an Internet address, not a
physical location.

[1] Roadway distance, not shortest distance along the surface of the
geoid.
--
Tom Sherman - Fox River Valley

Thanks for the reply. After some further investigation, it showed me
the same things as you have said. I like the ICE trikes. I'm not
worried about cost, as I know about the relationship between cost and
reliability (still own my '92 Ironhorse).

Seems I'm now expecting at least 4 panniers on the [censored] of the trike,
as well as a top bag, and anything I could possibly fit on the sides or
behind the top of the seat. That's a lot of gear.

Cheers

Canada is near the US?

j/k

Cheers

BeeRich said:

Canada is near the US?

very

go have a chat with Carey Chen at Urbane Cyclist, 160 John Street. Even if
he does not carry one you like, he can refer you to a place that has
tadpoles.

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Quoted message said:

Hello folks. Avid cyclist here. Love touring, but haven't done it in
a long time. I would like to get back into it, and saw that some
recumbents are super for touring.

I'm expecially interested in the Trikes (two front wheels, one rear
wheel).

Any recommendations for great touring trikes, or are they all somewhat
built to hold months worth of equipment?

I guess I'm looking to max out storage. More storage == greater
flexibility of the trip.

I'm in Toronto, so anything based in North America would be great.
However, if my first trip is in England/Scotland/Wales, I might just
get one there when I decide to go over.

Cheers

Hi Joshua. I know they are probably the most experienced in the city.
Don't know what they have on display though.

If I'm downtown I'll give them a visit.

Cheers

Joshua aka Wile E. Coyote said:

go have a chat with Carey Chen at Urbane Cyclist, 160 John Street. Even if
he does not carry one you like, he can refer you to a place that has
tadpoles.

Here is what Carey Chen does in his spare time with a drill, brazing
torch and steel tubing: <http://webhome.idirect.com/~outlander/>.

--
Tom Sherman - Fox River Valley

Best use a trailer like the Burley Nomad, makes life so much easier. See
pics of mine at http://www.ice.hpv.co.uk/reference_picture_gallery.htm
Classic---owners

SW

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Quoted message said:

Thanks for the reply. After some further investigation, it showed me
the same things as you have said. I like the ICE trikes. I'm not
worried about cost, as I know about the relationship between cost and
reliability (still own my '92 Ironhorse).

Seems I'm now expecting at least 4 panniers on the [censored] of the trike,
as well as a top bag, and anything I could possibly fit on the sides or
behind the top of the seat. That's a lot of gear.

Cheers

Great pics. Probably gives more flexibility to the design of the trike
after all. Works with any trike / rear hub assembly?

Cheers

Yes the Q/R is replaced with a special one that has the attachment point on
it.
See
http://www.burley.com/products/trailers/default.aspx?p=Alternative+Hitch&i=1
1

SW

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Quoted message said:

Great pics. Probably gives more flexibility to the design of the trike
after all. Works with any trike / rear hub assembly?

Cheers