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  1. Hi, I'm currently planning a bike trip this May to June
    through France and Italy. I want to camp while travelling so
    this means I will be travelling quite heavy (stove, tent,
    sleeping bag, etc.). I want to go about 100 km a day
    although it's possible that somedays I could go further. The
    majority of my biking experience to date is on a triathlon
    bike. I know that touring is a slower and steady trip but I
    enjoy speed on a bike and so I'm hesitant to use a mountain
    bike. However, in July I'm planning on going to Iceland and
    I'll probably bring the bike I end up buying which means
    getting something a little more solid. If anyone has a
    recommendation on a faster bike that can endure gravel as
    well I would love to hear it.

    Currently I have been recommended the Devinci Caribou, but
    apparently it is limited to the skinnier tires and can't be
    fitted with knobby tires, etc. The other Devinci bike I was
    recommended was the Amsterdam, which is a performance
    hybrid. I've seen a few Cannondale models, and the Trek 520
    and XO and I am uncertain which of these (or others) would
    be optimal for the uses I want.

    Also, regarding the use of straight vs. drop-down, does
    anyone who has toured out there have a suggestion on what is
    preferable. I realize drop-down has more options on hand
    positions, but I've also heard most people with drop-downs
    just end up keeping there hands positioned as if they were
    straight bars.

    Any advice that touring bikers have to share would be much
    appreciated. Thanks a lot. Matt, [email hidden]

  2. "Matt Murphy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Hi, I'm currently planning a bike trip this May to June
    through France and Italy. I want to camp while travelling
    so this means I will be travelling quite heavy (stove,
    tent, sleeping bag, etc.). I want to go about 100 km a day
    although it's possible that somedays I could go further.
    The majority of my biking experience to date is on a
    triathlon bike. I know that touring is a slower and steady
    trip but I enjoy speed on a bike and so I'm hesitant to
    use a mountain bike. However, in July I'm planning on
    going to Iceland and I'll probably bring the bike I end up
    buying which means getting something a little more solid.
    If anyone has a recommendation on a faster bike that can
    endure gravel as well I would love to hear it.

    Currently I have been recommended the Devinci Caribou, but
    apparently it is limited to the skinnier tires and can't
    be fitted with knobby tires, etc. The other Devinci bike I
    was recommended was the Amsterdam, which is a performance
    hybrid. I've seen a few Cannondale models, and the Trek
    520 and XO and I am uncertain which of these (or others)
    would be optimal for the uses I want.

    Also, regarding the use of straight vs. drop-down, does
    anyone who has toured out there have a suggestion on what
    is preferable. I realize drop-down has more options on
    hand positions, but I've also heard most people with drop-
    downs just end up keeping there hands positioned as if
    they were straight bars.

    Any advice that touring bikers have to share would be much
    appreciated. Thanks a lot. Matt, [email hidden]

    A few bikes you may want to look at:

    Rivendell Romulus:
    rivbike.combikes romulusframes.html

    Rivendell Atlantis:
    rivbike.combikes atlantisframes.html

    Bruce Gordon's BLT: bgcycles.comblt.html

  3. (Matt Murphy) said:

    Hi, I'm currently planning a bike trip this May to June
    through France and Italy. I want to camp while travelling
    so this means I will be travelling quite heavy (stove,
    tent, sleeping bag, etc.). I want to go about 100 km a day
    although it's possible that somedays I could go further.

    Conceivably much further, unless you're getting off the bike
    frequently to sight-see. After all, on tour you may ride 10
    hours a day quite frequently, and at a very modest average
    of 15 km/h you can still cover 150 km in a day.

    Have you checked out the Trento Bike Pages? There is a
    wealth of information about touring- IMHO the best starting
    point for touring on the Web:

    www-math.science.unitn.itBike

    Quoted message said:

    The majority of my biking experience to date is on a
    triathlon bike. I know that touring is a slower and steady
    trip but I enjoy speed on a bike and so I'm hesitant to
    use a mountain bike.

    Why would you use a mountain bike for touring? Use a
    touring bike; there are many to choose from and a Google
    search will help you find them. IMHO your best starting
    point for loaded touring like this is
    bgcycles.combgcycles.com which is Bruce Gordon.

    Quoted message said:

    However, in July I'm planning on going to Iceland and I'll
    probably bring the bike I end up buying which means
    getting something a little more solid. If anyone has a
    recommendation on a faster bike that can endure gravel as
    well I would love to hear it.

    Friends of mine have done Iceland. Twice. "Gravel" is a
    generous description for the roads covered in golf-ball
    to tennis-ball-sized rocks. They found much of the roads
    unrideable as a result, not to mention the winds. In this
    case a mountain bike or a bike that will take 40+ mm
    tires would be helpful- again, Bruce Gordon is the guy to
    go to, IMHO.

    Quoted message said:

    Currently I have been recommended the Devinci Caribou, but
    apparently it is limited to the skinnier tires and can't
    be fitted with knobby tires, etc. The other Devinci bike I
    was recommended was the Amsterdam, which is a performance
    hybrid. I've seen a few Cannondale models, and the Trek
    520 and XO and I am uncertain which of these (or others)
    would be optimal for the uses I want.

    From your limited description, it's hard to say what might
    be best to suit you. You can tour the French and Italian
    Alps on a "race" bike with a saddlebag quite well.

    Quoted message said:

    Also, regarding the use of straight vs. drop-down, does
    anyone who has toured out there have a suggestion on what
    is preferable. I realize drop-down has more options on
    hand positions, but I've also heard most people with drop-
    downs just end up keeping there hands positioned as if
    they were straight bars.

    Then they're not making use of their equipment for one
    reason or another. IMHO the most common being that their
    drop bars are in the usual road racer position- low and far
    away. If the bars are up high enough, all positions are
    comfortable and useful (although not particularly aero,
    which is an issue for road racers). It's odd, probably less
    than 1% of bicyclists race, yet racing bikes for road and
    dirt dominate the market perception of cycling.

    Personally, I hate flat bars with a passion. My hands go
    numb almost immediately and having only one position (unless
    bar ends are added) annoys me. When there's a stiff
    headwind, I like to get down in the drops and ya can't do
    that with flat bars. I was out for a calm, quite ride today
    with 30+ mph winds out of the north. I spotted a large club
    ride (75+ riders) broken up into groups, and noticed how
    unhappy the riders on flat bars looked as they struggled
    much harder into the wind than the riders with drop bars. On
    days like that, flat bars are a major disadvantage. OTOH,
    some people just prefer flat bars, or have back or other
    problems that necessitate their use.

  4. Matt,

    Try this website. Great information. Great Organization.

    adventurecycling.orgadventurecycling.org

    This one might help too.

    crazyguyonabike.comcrazyguyonabike.com

    Have a great trip!

    [email hidden] (Matt Murphy) wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Hi, I'm currently planning a bike trip this May to June
    through France and Italy. I want to camp while travelling
    so this means I will be travelling quite heavy (stove,
    tent, sleeping bag, etc.). I want to go about 100 km a day
    although it's possible that somedays I could go further.
    The majority of my biking experience to date is on a
    triathlon bike. I know that touring is a slower and steady
    trip but I enjoy speed on a bike and so I'm hesitant to
    use a mountain bike. However, in July I'm planning on
    going to Iceland and I'll probably bring the bike I end up
    buying which means getting something a little more solid.
    If anyone has a recommendation on a faster bike that can
    endure gravel as well I would love to hear it.

    Currently I have been recommended the Devinci Caribou, but
    apparently it is limited to the skinnier tires and can't
    be fitted with knobby tires, etc. The other Devinci bike I
    was recommended was the Amsterdam, which is a performance
    hybrid. I've seen a few Cannondale models, and the Trek
    520 and XO and I am uncertain which of these (or others)
    would be optimal for the uses I want.

    Also, regarding the use of straight vs. drop-down, does
    anyone who has toured out there have a suggestion on what
    is preferable. I realize drop-down has more options on
    hand positions, but I've also heard most people with drop-
    downs just end up keeping there hands positioned as if
    they were straight bars.

    Any advice that touring bikers have to share would be much
    appreciated. Thanks a lot. Matt, [email hidden]

  5. [email hidden] (Matt Murphy) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    Currently I have been recommended the Devinci Caribou, but
    apparently it is limited to the skinnier tires and can't
    be fitted with knobby tires, etc. The other Devinci bike I
    was recommended was the Amsterdam, which is a performance
    hybrid. I've seen a few Cannondale models, and the Trek
    520 and XO and I am uncertain which of these (or others)
    would be optimal for the uses I want.

    Quoted message said:

    Also, regarding the use of straight vs. drop-down, does
    anyone who has toured out there have a suggestion on what
    is preferable. I realize drop-down has more options on
    hand positions, but I've also heard most people with drop-
    downs just end up keeping there hands positioned as if
    they were straight bars.

    Neither of the Devinci models you mention are suitable
    for touring.

    Take a look at the Bicycle Recommendation Short List, at
    "nordicgroup.usbikerec" and click on touring.

    Not sure how much money you're planning to spend here, but
    the Koga-Miyata is awesome.

    I'd avoid the Trek 520 due to the threadless headset. I'd
    avoid the Cannondale because you don't want an aluminum
    frame if you want something solid for loaded touring.

    You're correct about the drop versus upright bars. Yesterday
    I made a point of noticing all the road bikers out on a
    popular bicycling road near me (Foothill Expressway), and
    even the roadies mostly keep their hands positioned as if
    they were straight bars. I toured on a classic touring
    bicycle and I'm sure that I rarely was in the drop position;
    it's uncomfortable on your neck. Amusingly, there was once
    an accessory that solved this problem; a wide mirror that
    went between the handlebar sides, and acted kind of as
    periscope.

    Read the section on touring bicycles on
    "nordicgroup.usbikerec"

    "Touring bikes will have a full complement of braze-ons for
    racks, bottles, and pumps. Most touring bicycles have
    chromolloy steel frames for durability (aluminum frames
    won't stand up to the rigors of fully loaded touring). Avoid
    threadless headsets on touring bicycles, but this is not
    that hard to do, as most touring bicycles still use quill
    headsets (alas, the classic Trek 520 went over to the dark
    side, as did the REI Novara Randonee). Touring bicycles will
    usually have 40 spoke rear wheels (sometimes 48 spoke
    wheels), to stand up to the heavier loads placed on them by
    loaded panniers."

    Very good advice. Especially since I wrote it.

  6. "bfd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    "Matt Murphy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    more solid. If anyone has a recommendation on a faster
    bike that can endure gravel as well I would love to
    hear it.

    Quoted message said:

    A few bikes you may want to look at:

    Rivendell Romulus:
    rivbike.combikes romulusframes.html

    Rivendell Atlantis:
    rivbike.combikes atlantisframes.html

    Bruce Gordon's BLT: bgcycles.comblt.html

    The Rivendell's are a good choice for what he wants, "a
    faster bike that can endure gravel." The Romulus is a total
    classic, and at $1450 is fairly priced, though that doesn't
    include saddle or pedals. I'm not a fan on bar-end shifters,
    and Shimano 105 brifters add $250 if the bike shop puts them
    on, $150 if you do it yourself.

    For a true touring bicycle, I'd opt for the Koga-Miyata over
    the BLT, because by the time you add all the accessories to
    a BLT, that come standard with the the Koga-Miyata
    Randonneur, you're at about the same price and the
    Randonneur is more suitable for touring. The Koga-Miyata
    Randonneur is heavy, but much of that is due to the racks,
    kickstand, lock, dynamo hub, lights, cages, etc., which are
    all included, and are included in the total weight. The
    Randonneur has a lugged frame and a 40 spoke rear wheel; the
    BLT has neither.

  7. [email hidden] (Steven Scharf) wrote in
    :"]news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    Read the section on touring bicycles on
    "nordicgroup.usbikerec"

    <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    Avoid threadless headsets on touring bicycles, but this is
    not that hard to do, as most touring bicycles still use
    quill headsets (alas, the classic Trek 520 went over to
    the dark side, as did the REI Novara Randonee).

    Why should one avoid threadless headsets on a touring
    bike? Will the weight of the front rack and panniers
    cause problems?

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    [email hidden] (Steven Scharf) wrote in
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    Quoted message said:

    Read the section on touring bicycles on
    "nordicgroup.usbikerec"

    <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    Avoid threadless headsets on touring bicycles, but this
    is not that hard to do, as most touring bicycles still
    use quill headsets (alas, the classic Trek 520 went over
    to the dark side, as did the REI Novara Randonee).

    Why should one avoid threadless headsets on a touring bike?
    Will the weight of the front rack and panniers cause
    problems?

    _ Yes, I don't understand this either. All I can think of is
    that you can't easily adjust height on the road.

    _ Booker C. Bense

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  9. I have a tandem set up for touring, using a threadless
    headset. With two people, and four fully-loaded panniers
    plus additional equipment, it carries much more weight than
    the average single bike ever will. Never had a problem with
    the headset. In fact, I think the threadless headset is
    easier to field-maintain than a threaded headset (all you
    really need is a hex wrench, vs. big open-end wrenches for
    the threaded headset). That being said, invest in a good
    threadless headset. We have a Chris King, but there are
    other less-expensive, but good ones out there.

    Flat or dropped bars are largely personal preference. In
    Europe, most folks ride "trekking" bikes that have flat or
    riser-type bars. Dropped bars are usually considered to be
    for racing or fast day rides. As far as I'm concerned,
    though, dropped bars provide many more hand positions and
    the ability to match your riding posture to the conditions
    (wind, etc.). The key to using drop bars for touring is to
    get a stem with a good amount of rise, rather than the
    regular racing-type stem with a negative rise. A wider drop
    bar (like 44cm) also helps. This setup gives you the best of
    both worlds: a wide, flat bar surface for when you want to
    sit straight up and look around, and the multiple hand
    positions inherent in a drop bar. When you are riding all
    day, it's key to be able to change hand positions to
    alleviate numbness.

    With regards to aluminum frames vs. steel, pick what feels
    best. Aluminum frames, like steel frames, have been ridden
    hundreds of thousands of miles around the world. My
    Cannondale T700 touring bike is ten years old and a veteran
    of many tours. Never a problem, and it rides great with and
    without bags (I actually think it handles better with a
    load, a trait of good touring frames).

    Quoted message said:

    [email hidden] (Steven Scharf) wrote in
    :"]news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    Avoid threadless headsets on touring bicycles, but this
    is not that hard to do, as most touring bicycles still
    use quill headsets (alas, the classic Trek 520 went over
    to the dark side, as did the REI Novara Randonee).

    Why should one avoid threadless headsets on a touring
    bike? Will the weight of the front rack and panniers cause
    problems?

  10. Somebody said:
    Quoted message said:

    Why should one avoid threadless headsets on a touring
    bike? Will the weight of the front rack and panniers cause
    problems?


    bbense+rec.bicycl- said:

    _ Yes, I don't understand this either. All I can think of
    is that you can't easily adjust height on the road.

    Actually, that's not even an issue. A single allen wrench
    combined with some repositioning of spacers and/or flipping
    of stem takes care of it easily.

    Servicing/adjusting the headset is easier, same allen wrench
    is all that's necessary...and I suspect most people set the
    height once and leave it, but some may need to adjust the
    headset later, especially on a tour.

    Creative handlebar height options good for tourers who need
    constant height changes:
    - Adjustable stem
    - Threadless stem height extension
    nashbar.comprofile.cfm
    - Threadless adapter in threaded headset (best of all
    worlds and some extra height too) performanc-performanc-
    ebike.com/shop/Profile.cfm?SKU=1594
    --
    Rick Onanian

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