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  1. Hi, I'm currently planning a bike trip this May to June through France
    and Italy. I want to camp while travelling so this means I will be
    travelling quite heavy (stove, tent, sleeping bag, etc.). I want to
    go about 100 km a day although it's possible that somedays I could go
    further. The majority of my biking experience to date is on a
    triathlon bike. I know that touring is a slower and steady trip but I
    enjoy speed on a bike and so I'm hesitant to use a mountain bike.
    However, in July I'm planning on going to Iceland and I'll probably
    bring the bike I end up buying which means getting something a little
    more solid. If anyone has a recommendation on a faster bike that can
    endure gravel as well I would love to hear it.

    Currently I have been recommended the Devinci Caribou, but apparently
    it is limited to the skinnier tires and can't be fitted with knobby
    tires, etc. The other Devinci bike I was recommended was the
    Amsterdam, which is a performance hybrid. I've seen a few Cannondale
    models, and the Trek 520 and XO and I am uncertain which of these (or
    others) would be optimal for the uses I want.

    Also, regarding the use of straight vs. drop-down, does anyone who has
    toured out there have a suggestion on what is preferable. I realize
    drop-down has more options on hand positions, but I've also heard most
    people with drop-downs just end up keeping there hands positioned as
    if they were straight bars.

    Any advice that touring bikers have to share would be much
    appreciated. Thanks a lot. Matt, [email hidden]

  2. "Matt Murphy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Hi, I'm currently planning a bike trip this May to June through France
    and Italy. I want to camp while travelling so this means I will be
    travelling quite heavy (stove, tent, sleeping bag, etc.). I want to
    go about 100 km a day although it's possible that somedays I could go
    further. The majority of my biking experience to date is on a
    triathlon bike. I know that touring is a slower and steady trip but I
    enjoy speed on a bike and so I'm hesitant to use a mountain bike.
    However, in July I'm planning on going to Iceland and I'll probably
    bring the bike I end up buying which means getting something a little
    more solid. If anyone has a recommendation on a faster bike that can
    endure gravel as well I would love to hear it.

    Currently I have been recommended the Devinci Caribou, but apparently
    it is limited to the skinnier tires and can't be fitted with knobby
    tires, etc. The other Devinci bike I was recommended was the
    Amsterdam, which is a performance hybrid. I've seen a few Cannondale
    models, and the Trek 520 and XO and I am uncertain which of these (or
    others) would be optimal for the uses I want.

    Also, regarding the use of straight vs. drop-down, does anyone who has
    toured out there have a suggestion on what is preferable. I realize
    drop-down has more options on hand positions, but I've also heard most
    people with drop-downs just end up keeping there hands positioned as
    if they were straight bars.

    Any advice that touring bikers have to share would be much
    appreciated. Thanks a lot. Matt, [email hidden]

    A few bikes you may want to look at:

    Rivendell Romulus:
    http://www.rivbike.com/html/bikes_romulusframes.html

    Rivendell Atlantis:
    http://www.rivbike.com/html/bikes_atlantisframes.html

    Bruce Gordon's BLT:
    http://www.bgcycles.com/blt.html

  3. (Matt Murphy) said:

    Hi, I'm currently planning a bike trip this May to June through
    France and Italy. I want to camp while travelling so this means I
    will be travelling quite heavy (stove, tent, sleeping bag, etc.). I
    want to go about 100 km a day although it's possible that somedays I
    could go further.

    Conceivably much further, unless you're getting off the bike
    frequently to sight-see. After all, on tour you may ride 10 hours a
    day quite frequently, and at a very modest average of 15 km/h you can
    still cover 150 km in a day.

    Have you checked out the Trento Bike Pages? There is a wealth of
    information about touring- IMHO the best starting point for touring
    on the Web:

    http://www-math.science.unitn.it/Bike

    Quoted message said:

    The majority of my biking experience to date is on a triathlon bike.
    I know that touring is a slower and steady trip but I enjoy speed on
    a bike and so I'm hesitant to use a mountain bike.

    Why would you use a mountain bike for touring? Use a touring bike;
    there are many to choose from and a Google search will help you find
    them. IMHO your best starting point for loaded touring like this is
    http://www.bgcycles.com which is Bruce Gordon.

    Quoted message said:

    However, in July I'm planning on going to Iceland and I'll probably
    bring the bike I end up buying which means getting something a
    little more solid. If anyone has a recommendation on a faster bike
    that can endure gravel as well I would love to hear it.

    Friends of mine have done Iceland. Twice. "Gravel" is a generous
    description for the roads covered in golf-ball to tennis-ball-sized
    rocks. They found much of the roads unrideable as a result, not to
    mention the winds. In this case a mountain bike or a bike that will
    take 40+ mm tires would be helpful- again, Bruce Gordon is the guy to
    go to, IMHO.

    Quoted message said:

    Currently I have been recommended the Devinci Caribou, but
    apparently it is limited to the skinnier tires and can't be fitted
    with knobby tires, etc. The other Devinci bike I was recommended
    was the Amsterdam, which is a performance hybrid. I've seen a few
    Cannondale models, and the Trek 520 and XO and I am uncertain which
    of these (or others) would be optimal for the uses I want.

    From your limited description, it's hard to say what might be best to
    suit you. You can tour the French and Italian Alps on a "race" bike
    with a saddlebag quite well.

    Quoted message said:

    Also, regarding the use of straight vs. drop-down, does anyone who
    has toured out there have a suggestion on what is preferable. I
    realize drop-down has more options on hand positions, but I've also
    heard most people with drop-downs just end up keeping there hands
    positioned as if they were straight bars.

    Then they're not making use of their equipment for one reason or
    another. IMHO the most common being that their drop bars are in the
    usual road racer position- low and far away. If the bars are up high
    enough, all positions are comfortable and useful (although not
    particularly aero, which is an issue for road racers). It's odd,
    probably less than 1% of bicyclists race, yet racing bikes for road
    and dirt dominate the market perception of cycling.

    Personally, I hate flat bars with a passion. My hands go numb almost
    immediately and having only one position (unless bar ends are added)
    annoys me. When there's a stiff headwind, I like to get down in the
    drops and ya can't do that with flat bars. I was out for a calm,
    quite ride today with 30+ mph winds out of the north. I spotted a
    large club ride (75+ riders) broken up into groups, and noticed how
    unhappy the riders on flat bars looked as they struggled much harder
    into the wind than the riders with drop bars. On days like that,
    flat bars are a major disadvantage. OTOH, some people just prefer
    flat bars, or have back or other problems that necessitate their use.

  4. Matt,

    Try this website. Great information. Great Organization.

    http://www.adventurecycling.org

    This one might help too.

    http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/

    Have a great trip!

    [email hidden] (Matt Murphy) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Hi, I'm currently planning a bike trip this May to June through France
    and Italy. I want to camp while travelling so this means I will be
    travelling quite heavy (stove, tent, sleeping bag, etc.). I want to
    go about 100 km a day although it's possible that somedays I could go
    further. The majority of my biking experience to date is on a
    triathlon bike. I know that touring is a slower and steady trip but I
    enjoy speed on a bike and so I'm hesitant to use a mountain bike.
    However, in July I'm planning on going to Iceland and I'll probably
    bring the bike I end up buying which means getting something a little
    more solid. If anyone has a recommendation on a faster bike that can
    endure gravel as well I would love to hear it.

    Currently I have been recommended the Devinci Caribou, but apparently
    it is limited to the skinnier tires and can't be fitted with knobby
    tires, etc. The other Devinci bike I was recommended was the
    Amsterdam, which is a performance hybrid. I've seen a few Cannondale
    models, and the Trek 520 and XO and I am uncertain which of these (or
    others) would be optimal for the uses I want.

    Also, regarding the use of straight vs. drop-down, does anyone who has
    toured out there have a suggestion on what is preferable. I realize
    drop-down has more options on hand positions, but I've also heard most
    people with drop-downs just end up keeping there hands positioned as
    if they were straight bars.

    Any advice that touring bikers have to share would be much
    appreciated. Thanks a lot. Matt, [email hidden]

  5. [email hidden] (Matt Murphy) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    Currently I have been recommended the Devinci Caribou, but apparently
    it is limited to the skinnier tires and can't be fitted with knobby
    tires, etc. The other Devinci bike I was recommended was the
    Amsterdam, which is a performance hybrid. I've seen a few Cannondale
    models, and the Trek 520 and XO and I am uncertain which of these (or
    others) would be optimal for the uses I want.

    Quoted message said:

    Also, regarding the use of straight vs. drop-down, does anyone who has
    toured out there have a suggestion on what is preferable. I realize
    drop-down has more options on hand positions, but I've also heard most
    people with drop-downs just end up keeping there hands positioned as
    if they were straight bars.

    Neither of the Devinci models you mention are suitable for touring.

    Take a look at the Bicycle Recommendation Short List, at
    "http://nordicgroup.us/bikerec" and click on touring.

    Not sure how much money you're planning to spend here, but the
    Koga-Miyata is awesome.

    I'd avoid the Trek 520 due to the threadless headset. I'd avoid the
    Cannondale because you don't want an aluminum frame if you want
    something solid for loaded touring.

    You're correct about the drop versus upright bars. Yesterday I made a
    point of noticing all the road bikers out on a popular bicycling road
    near me (Foothill Expressway), and even the roadies mostly keep their
    hands positioned as if they were straight bars. I toured on a classic
    touring bicycle and I'm sure that I rarely was in the drop position;
    it's uncomfortable on your neck. Amusingly, there was once an
    accessory that solved this problem; a wide mirror that went between
    the handlebar sides, and acted kind of as periscope.

    Read the section on touring bicycles on
    "http://nordicgroup.us/bikerec"

    "Touring bikes will have a full complement of braze-ons for racks,
    bottles, and pumps. Most touring bicycles have chromolloy steel frames
    for durability (aluminum frames won't stand up to the rigors of fully
    loaded touring). Avoid threadless headsets on touring bicycles, but
    this is not that hard to do, as most touring bicycles still use quill
    headsets (alas, the classic Trek 520 went over to the dark side, as
    did the REI Novara Randonee). Touring bicycles will usually have 40
    spoke rear wheels (sometimes 48 spoke wheels), to stand up to the
    heavier loads placed on them by loaded panniers."

    Very good advice. Especially since I wrote it.

  6. "bfd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    "Matt Murphy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    more solid. If anyone has a recommendation on a faster bike that can
    endure gravel as well I would love to hear it.

    Quoted message said:

    A few bikes you may want to look at:

    Rivendell Romulus:
    http://www.rivbike.com/html/bikes_romulusframes.html

    Rivendell Atlantis:
    http://www.rivbike.com/html/bikes_atlantisframes.html

    Bruce Gordon's BLT:
    http://www.bgcycles.com/blt.html

    The Rivendell's are a good choice for what he wants, "a faster bike
    that can endure gravel." The Romulus is a total classic, and at $1450
    is fairly priced, though that doesn't include saddle or pedals. I'm
    not a fan on bar-end shifters, and Shimano 105 brifters add $250 if
    the bike shop puts them on, $150 if you do it yourself.

    For a true touring bicycle, I'd opt for the Koga-Miyata over the BLT,
    because by the time you add all the accessories to a BLT, that come
    standard with the the Koga-Miyata Randonneur, you're at about the same
    price and the Randonneur is more suitable for touring. The Koga-Miyata
    Randonneur is heavy, but much of that is due to the racks, kickstand,
    lock, dynamo hub, lights, cages, etc., which are all included, and are
    included in the total weight. The Randonneur has a lugged frame and a
    40 spoke rear wheel; the BLT has neither.

  7. [email hidden] (Steven Scharf) wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    Read the section on touring bicycles on
    "http://nordicgroup.us/bikerec"

    <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    Avoid threadless headsets on touring bicycles, but this is not that
    hard to do, as most touring bicycles still use quill headsets (alas,
    the classic Trek 520 went over to the dark side, as did the REI
    Novara Randonee).

    Why should one avoid threadless headsets on a touring bike? Will the
    weight of the front rack and panniers cause problems?

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    [email hidden] (Steven Scharf) wrote in
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    Quoted message said:

    Read the section on touring bicycles on
    "http://nordicgroup.us/bikerec"

    <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    Avoid threadless headsets on touring bicycles, but this is not that
    hard to do, as most touring bicycles still use quill headsets (alas,
    the classic Trek 520 went over to the dark side, as did the REI
    Novara Randonee).

    Why should one avoid threadless headsets on a touring bike? Will the
    weight of the front rack and panniers cause problems?

    _ Yes, I don't understand this either. All I can think of is that
    you can't easily adjust height on the road.

    _ Booker C. Bense

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  9. I have a tandem set up for touring, using a threadless headset. With
    two people, and four fully-loaded panniers plus additional equipment,
    it carries much more weight than the average single bike ever will.
    Never had a problem with the headset. In fact, I think the threadless
    headset is easier to field-maintain than a threaded headset (all you
    really need is a hex wrench, vs. big open-end wrenches for the
    threaded headset). That being said, invest in a good threadless
    headset. We have a Chris King, but there are other less-expensive, but
    good ones out there.

    Flat or dropped bars are largely personal preference. In Europe, most
    folks ride "trekking" bikes that have flat or riser-type bars. Dropped
    bars are usually considered to be for racing or fast day rides. As far
    as I'm concerned, though, dropped bars provide many more hand
    positions and the ability to match your riding posture to the
    conditions (wind, etc.). The key to using drop bars for touring is to
    get a stem with a good amount of rise, rather than the regular
    racing-type stem with a negative rise. A wider drop bar (like 44cm)
    also helps. This setup gives you the best of both worlds: a wide, flat
    bar surface for when you want to sit straight up and look around, and
    the multiple hand positions inherent in a drop bar. When you are
    riding all day, it's key to be able to change hand positions to
    alleviate numbness.

    With regards to aluminum frames vs. steel, pick what feels best.
    Aluminum frames, like steel frames, have been ridden hundreds of
    thousands of miles around the world. My Cannondale T700 touring bike
    is ten years old and a veteran of many tours. Never a problem, and it
    rides great with and without bags (I actually think it handles better
    with a load, a trait of good touring frames).

    Quoted message said:

    [email hidden] (Steven Scharf) wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    Avoid threadless headsets on touring bicycles, but this is not that
    hard to do, as most touring bicycles still use quill headsets (alas,
    the classic Trek 520 went over to the dark side, as did the REI
    Novara Randonee).

    Why should one avoid threadless headsets on a touring bike? Will the
    weight of the front rack and panniers cause problems?

  10. Somebody said:
    Quoted message said:

    Why should one avoid threadless headsets on a touring bike? Will the
    weight of the front rack and panniers cause problems?


    On Tue, 6 Apr 2004 15:01:41 +0000 (UTC),
    <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    _ Yes, I don't understand this either. All I can think of is that
    you can't easily adjust height on the road.

    Actually, that's not even an issue. A single allen wrench combined
    with some repositioning of spacers and/or flipping of stem takes
    care of it easily.

    Servicing/adjusting the headset is easier, same allen wrench is all
    that's necessary...and I suspect most people set the height once and
    leave it, but some may need to adjust the headset later, especially
    on a tour.

    Creative handlebar height options good for tourers who need constant
    height changes:
    - Adjustable stem
    - Threadless stem height extension
    http://www.nashbar.com/profile.cfm?&sku=4264
    - Threadless adapter in threaded headset (best of all worlds and
    some extra height too)
    http://www.performancebike.com/shop/Profile.cfm?SKU=1594
    --
    Rick Onanian

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