Tour of Utah

It'll never work. I've yet to meet a cyclist who doesn't enjoy a hearty
beer. And 3.2% (even if it's <a
href="http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,335007968,00.html">by
weight</a>😉 just ain't gonna cut it.

Quoted message said:

It'll never work. I've yet to meet a cyclist who doesn't enjoy a hearty
beer. And 3.2% (even if it's <a
href="http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,335007968,00.html">by
weight</a>😉 just ain't gonna cut it.

That's just the beer you get in stores and restaurants without a hard
liquor license. There are plenty (literally) of places to get real beer,
and real drinks, here.

Kudos to Jason for getting Larry Miller on the case. Miller is a very
active promoter of sports of many kinds, has very deep pockets and
provides instant credibility to the rednecks around here.

--
--
Lynn Wallace http://www.xmission.com/~lawall

Conservative dictionary:
Judicial Activist: n. A judge who tends to rule against your wishes.

Raptor said:

Quoted message said:

It'll never work. I've yet to meet a cyclist who doesn't enjoy a hearty
beer. And 3.2% (even if it's <a
href="http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,335007968,00.html">by
weight</a>😉 just ain't gonna cut it.

That's just the beer you get in stores and restaurants without a hard
liquor license. There are plenty (literally) of places to get real beer,
and real drinks, here.

Kudos to Jason for getting Larry Miller on the case. Miller is a very
active promoter of sports of many kinds, has very deep pockets and
provides instant credibility to the rednecks around here.

Miller is also a bigot and homophobe.

--
Steven L. Sheffield
stevens at veloworks dot com
bellum pax est libertas servitus est ignoratio vis est
ess ay ell tea ell ay kay ee sea eye tee why you ti ay aitch
aitch tee tea pea colon [for word] slash [four ward] slash double-you
double-yew double-ewe dot veloworks dot com [foreword] slash

"Steven L. Sheffield" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

On 01/25/2006 10:53 PM, in article [email hidden],
"Raptor"

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

It'll never work. I've yet to meet a cyclist who doesn't enjoy a hearty
beer. And 3.2% (even if it's <a
href="http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,335007968,00.html">by
weight</a>😉 just ain't gonna cut it.

That's just the beer you get in stores and restaurants without a hard
liquor license. There are plenty (literally) of places to get real beer,
and real drinks, here.

Kudos to Jason for getting Larry Miller on the case. Miller is a very
active promoter of sports of many kinds, has very deep pockets and
provides instant credibility to the rednecks around here.

Miller is also a bigot and homophobe.

Are you suggesting that we should deny race licenses for promoters whose
opinions you disagree with?

That nasty "free speech" thing seems to bother Liberals when it's exercised.

Tom Kunich said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Kudos to Jason for getting Larry Miller on the case. Miller is a very
active promoter of sports of many kinds, has very deep pockets and
provides instant credibility to the rednecks around here.

Miller is also a bigot and homophobe.

Are you suggesting that we should deny race licenses for promoters whose
opinions you disagree with?

That nasty "free speech" thing seems to bother Liberals when it's exercised.

Dumbass -

Miller pulled a movie (the one that affected you so much) from his
theaters.

Pulling movies because you don't agree with their content is more
censorship than free speech.

thanks,

K. Gringioni.

Kurgan Gringioni said:

Dumbass -

Miller pulled a movie (the one that affected you so much) from his
theaters.

Pulling movies because you don't agree with their content is more
censorship than free speech.

thanks,

K. Gringioni.

Not unless he did it on orders from the government. When a private
individual refuses to distribute something he disagrees with, it is more
like free speech than censorship. If the government forced him to show the
film even though he didn't want to, that would be more like censorship than
free speech.

It's a mixed up mumbled up shook up world.

--
Bill Asher

Tom Kunich said:

"Steven L. Sheffield" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

On 01/25/2006 10:53 PM, in article [email hidden],
"Raptor"

Quoted message said:

[email hidden] wrote:

>It'll never work. I've yet to meet a cyclist who doesn't enjoy a hearty
>beer. And 3.2% (even if it's <a
>href="http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,335007968,00.html">by
>weight</a>😉 just ain't gonna cut it.

That's just the beer you get in stores and restaurants without a hard
liquor license. There are plenty (literally) of places to get real beer,
and real drinks, here.

Kudos to Jason for getting Larry Miller on the case. Miller is a very
active promoter of sports of many kinds, has very deep pockets and
provides instant credibility to the rednecks around here.

Miller is also a bigot and homophobe.

Are you suggesting that we should deny race licenses for promoters whose
opinions you disagree with?

That nasty "free speech" thing seems to bother Liberals when it's exercised.

i think maybe steven is just exercising his freedom of speech to provide
more information about the man. is that bothering you?

h

h squared said:

Tom Kunich said:

"Steven L. Sheffield" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

On 01/25/2006 10:53 PM, in article [email hidden],
"Raptor"
<[email hidden]> wrote:

>[email hidden] wrote:
>
>>It'll never work. I've yet to meet a cyclist who doesn't enjoy a hearty
>>beer. And 3.2% (even if it's <a
>>href="http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,335007968,00.html">by
>>weight</a>😉 just ain't gonna cut it.
>
>That's just the beer you get in stores and restaurants without a hard
>liquor license. There are plenty (literally) of places to get real beer,
>and real drinks, here.
>
>Kudos to Jason for getting Larry Miller on the case. Miller is a very
>active promoter of sports of many kinds, has very deep pockets and
>provides instant credibility to the rednecks around here.

Miller is also a bigot and homophobe.

Are you suggesting that we should deny race licenses for promoters whose
opinions you disagree with?

That nasty "free speech" thing seems to bother Liberals when it's exercised.

i think maybe steven is just exercising his freedom of speech to provide
more information about the man. is that bothering you?

h

He didn't provide information about him, he expressed his unfounded
opinion about him. BIIIIG difference.

Scott said:

h squared wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

i think maybe steven is just exercising his freedom of speech to provide
more information about the man. is that bothering you?

h

He didn't provide information about him, he expressed his unfounded
opinion about him. BIIIIG difference.

that isn't something i really want to argue about, and i'm sorry for
kinda putting words into steven's mouth before.

it's tom's logic that confuses me, and i would rather see a reply from
him that isn't about "liberals". (although i'm sure he'll be happy to
know that he can still troll me after all these years, even with obvious
bait 🙂

heather

h squared said:

Scott wrote:

<snip>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

He didn't provide information about him, he expressed his unfounded
opinion about him. BIIIIG difference.

that isn't something i really want to argue about, and i'm sorry for
kinda putting words into steven's mouth before.

<snip>

What would you really like to argue about? I'm sure people here could be
flexible.

--
Bill Asher

h squared said:

it's tom's logic that confuses me, and i would rather see a reply from
him that isn't about "liberals".

Dumbass -

This is the problem with ideologues like Kunich, be they from the right
or the left:

From:
http://www.sci-tech-today.com/story.xhtml?story_id=121000I3BW0C

Emory Study Reveals the Political Brain

"We did not see any increased activation of the parts of the brain
normally engaged during reasoning," said Drew Westen, director of
clinical psychology at Emory who led the study. "What we saw instead
was a network of emotion circuits lighting up."

Emory University scientists say political partisans of both parties
apparently don't let facts interfere with their judgments on political
issues.
The researchers wanted to discover why Democrats and Republicans can
hear the same information, but reach opposite conclusions.

The investigators used functional magnetic resonance imaging, or fMRI,
to study a sample of committed Democrats and Republicans immediately
prior to the 2004 U.S. presidential election.

The participants were asked to evaluate threatening information about
their own candidate while undergoing fMRI. The scientists say what they
found was striking.

"We did not see any increased activation of the parts of the brain
normally engaged during reasoning," said Drew Westen, director of
clinical psychology at Emory who led the study. "What we saw instead
was a network of emotion circuits lighting up."

Once partisans reached completely biased conclusions -- essentially
ignoring information that couldn't be rationally discounted -- they
then got a blast of activation in circuits involved in reward.

"None of the circuits involved in conscious reasoning were particularly
engaged," he said.

The findings are to be presented during this week's annual meeting of
the Society for Personality and Social Psychology in Palm Springs,
Calif.

Steven L. Sheffield said:

Raptor said:

Kudos to Jason for getting Larry Miller on the case. Miller is a very
active promoter of sports of many kinds, has very deep pockets and
provides instant credibility to the rednecks around here.

Miller is also a bigot and homophobe.

Well, he's a native Utahn and LDS.

--
--
Lynn Wallace http://www.xmission.com/~lawall

Conservative dictionary:
Judicial Activist: n. A judge who tends to rule against your wishes.

William Asher said:

Kurgan Gringioni said:

Dumbass -

Miller pulled a movie (the one that affected you so much) from his
theaters.

Pulling movies because you don't agree with their content is more
censorship than free speech.

thanks,

K. Gringioni.

Not unless he did it on orders from the government. When a private
individual refuses to distribute something he disagrees with, it is more
like free speech than censorship. If the government forced him to show the
film even though he didn't want to, that would be more like censorship than
free speech.

He apparently has no problem with movies depicting drug use, abuse of
spouses and children, and other gratuitous, graphic violence.

--
--
Lynn Wallace http://www.xmission.com/~lawall

Conservative dictionary:
Judicial Activist: n. A judge who tends to rule against your wishes.

Raptor <[email hidden]> wrote in
news:[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

William Asher said:

Kurgan Gringioni said:

Dumbass -

Miller pulled a movie (the one that affected you so much) from his
theaters.

Pulling movies because you don't agree with their content is more
censorship than free speech.

thanks,

K. Gringioni.

Not unless he did it on orders from the government. When a private
individual refuses to distribute something he disagrees with, it is
more like free speech than censorship. If the government forced him
to show the film even though he didn't want to, that would be more
like censorship than free speech.

He apparently has no problem with movies depicting drug use, abuse of
spouses and children, and other gratuitous, graphic violence.

I'm not saying he (the movie chain owner) isn't a complete dirtbag or
that it isn't wrong, just that his choosing to not show any particular
isn't censorship.

--
Bill Asher

William Asher said:

Kurgan Gringioni wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Pulling movies because you don't agree with their content is more
censorship than free speech.

Quoted message said:

Not unless he did it on orders from the government. When a private
individual refuses to distribute something he disagrees with, it is more
like free speech than censorship. If the government forced him to show the
film even though he didn't want to, that would be more like censorship than
free speech.

Because he's a distributor, it's both a legal exercise of his
opinion, and still censorship. If the local newspaper decided
it would only run articles about public high school basketball
teams, and not Catholic League b-ball teams, it would be
legal, and still censorship. (And bad business, but censorship
is usually bad business.) If they decided to accept only ads
from Democratic but not Republican political candidates, it
would be legal, and still censorship.

Now if government were to discriminate in the same way,
that would be illegal, and censorship, as you state.

I think there should be a philosophical distinction between
speech that expresses an opinion, and "speech" that
suppresses an expression, which is what censorship
does, like not showing a movie or refusing to sell a book
or withdrawing it from a library. However, I'm not arguing
there should be a legal distinction.

IMO, Miller pulled the movie perhaps because he disagrees
with its content, but also because he feared public reaction.
That makes him both a censor and a coward. I bet that if it
were the biggest blockbuster of the year he wouldn't have
pulled it.

Quoted message said:

It's a mixed up mumbled up shook up world.

Yes, but only for people in the reality based community.

Anyway, the real question for me is whether this means
the Tour of Utah will have even stiffer penalties for deviating
from the right side of the centerline. Can't have anyone
going the "wrong way" ...

William Asher said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Not unless he did it on orders from the government. When a private
individual refuses to distribute something he disagrees with, it is
more like free speech than censorship. If the government forced him
to show the film even though he didn't want to, that would be more
like censorship than free speech.

He apparently has no problem with movies depicting drug use, abuse of
spouses and children, and other gratuitous, graphic violence.

I'm not saying he (the movie chain owner) isn't a complete dirtbag or
that it isn't wrong, just that his choosing to not show any particular
isn't censorship.

Dumbass -

See bjw's post.

thanks.

On 01/26/2006 02:37 PM, in article
[email hidden], "Tom Kunich"

Quoted message said:

"Steven L. Sheffield" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

On 01/25/2006 10:53 PM, in article [email hidden],
"Raptor"

Quoted message said:

[email hidden] wrote:
> It'll never work. I've yet to meet a cyclist who doesn't enjoy a hearty
> beer. And 3.2% (even if it's <a
> href="http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,335007968,00.html">by
> weight</a>😉 just ain't gonna cut it.

That's just the beer you get in stores and restaurants without a hard
liquor license. There are plenty (literally) of places to get real beer,
and real drinks, here.

Kudos to Jason for getting Larry Miller on the case. Miller is a very
active promoter of sports of many kinds, has very deep pockets and
provides instant credibility to the rednecks around here.

Miller is also a bigot and homophobe.

Are you suggesting that we should deny race licenses for promoters whose
opinions you disagree with?

No. I'm saying that Larry H. Miller is a bigot and homophobe. Nothing
more, nothing less.

If I was suggesting that we should deny race licenses, then I'd say it.

Quoted message said:

That nasty "free speech" thing seems to bother Liberals when it's exercised.

I fully recognize LHM's right to believe what he does. I also fully
recognize my right to express my belief that LHM is a bigot and a homophobe.

Just like I recognize your sad attempt to mischaracterize what I said.

Celebrate the First Amendment, baby.

--
Steven L. Sheffield
stevens at veloworks dot com
bellum pax est libertas servitus est ignoratio vis est
ess ay ell tea ell ay kay ee sea eye tee why you ti ay aitch
aitch tee tea pea colon [for word] slash [four ward] slash double-you
double-yew double-ewe dot veloworks dot com [foreword] slash

On 01/26/2006 02:37 PM, in article
[email hidden], "Tom Kunich"

Quoted message said:

"Steven L. Sheffield" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

On 01/25/2006 10:53 PM, in article [email hidden],
"Raptor"

Quoted message said:

[email hidden] wrote:
> It'll never work. I've yet to meet a cyclist who doesn't enjoy a hearty
> beer. And 3.2% (even if it's <a
> href="http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,335007968,00.html">by
> weight</a>😉 just ain't gonna cut it.

That's just the beer you get in stores and restaurants without a hard
liquor license. There are plenty (literally) of places to get real beer,
and real drinks, here.

Kudos to Jason for getting Larry Miller on the case. Miller is a very
active promoter of sports of many kinds, has very deep pockets and
provides instant credibility to the rednecks around here.

Miller is also a bigot and homophobe.

Are you suggesting that we should deny race licenses for promoters whose
opinions you disagree with?

No. I'm saying that Larry H. Miller is a bigot and homophobe. Nothing
more, nothing less.

If I was suggesting that we should deny race licenses, then I'd say it.

Quoted message said:

That nasty "free speech" thing seems to bother Liberals when it's exercised.

I fully recognize LHM's right to believe what he does. I also fully
recognize my right to express my belief that LHM is a bigot and a homophobe.

Just like I recognize your sad attempt to mischaracterize what I said.

Celebrate the First Amendment, baby.

--
Steven L. Sheffield
stevens at veloworks dot com
bellum pax est libertas servitus est ignoratio vis est
ess ay ell tea ell ay kay ee sea eye tee why you ti ay aitch
aitch tee tea pea colon [for word] slash [four ward] slash double-you
double-yew double-ewe dot veloworks dot com [foreword] slash

email hidden said:

If they decided to accept only ads
from Democratic but not Republican political candidates, it
would be legal, and still censorship.

Depends on thetype of campaign and location and market size of the
media outlet and, in some cases, what court it falls under.

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...