Tour de France Scoring

phoenixar said:

Hello everyone!
I'm new to cycling and would like to understand how the scoring works
in the Tour de France. Is there an web site/page that explains stuff
like how TT works and all?

My local paper ran a review of a book called something like Beginner's
Guide to the TdF. Bob Roll is a co-author. Last week they held it up
and showed something out of the FAQ, something like "how come LA can
retain the MJ although he's not 'winning' every stage?"

Bet it also contains that new 3k-from-the-finish rule.

FWIW, if you haven't already posted this to rec.bicycles.racing, don't.
You'll be called "dumbass" and worse.

HTH

--Karen M.

phoenixar said:

I'm new to cycling and would like to understand how the scoring works in the Tour de France. Is there an web site/page that explains stuff like how TT works and all?

I think you need a PhD in Math to understand how the Team Time Trial is
scored these days...

For most of the other stages, it's elapsed time (except that the top
three(?) finishers get time bonuses). See:
http://www.letour.fr/2005/TDF/LIVE/us/900/r1_enjeux.html

Art Harris

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Quoted message said:

phoenixar said:

Hello everyone!
I'm new to cycling and would like to understand how the scoring works
in the Tour de France. Is there an web site/page that explains stuff
like how TT works and all?

My local paper ran a review of a book called something like Beginner's
Guide to the TdF. Bob Roll is a co-author. Last week they held it up
and showed something out of the FAQ, something like "how come LA can
retain the MJ although he's not 'winning' every stage?"

Bet it also contains that new 3k-from-the-finish rule.

FWIW, if you haven't already posted this to rec.bicycles.racing, don't.
You'll be called "dumbass" and worse.

HTH

--Karen M.

Karen,

Everyone in rbr calls everyone else "dumbass." It's weird. Even if someone
has something nice to say (rare), they address the person as "dumbass."

For example, you might very well read, "Dumbass, you're exactly right and
that's an excellent point you raise."

But as a general rule, it's good to have a very thick skin of you venture
into rbr.

But so as not to hijack the thread, here are some tidbits for the original
poster.

There are four main competitions within the Tour de France. The overall
competition, also known as the GC for General Classification, is what Lance
is going for. The leader wears the yellow jersey. It's for the rider with
the fastest overall cumulative time. This is pretty much a simple
calculation of each rider's elapsed time. However, there are also "time
bonuses" awarded for the first three finishers on most (not all) stages. If
I recall correctly, time bonuses are 20 seconds for first, 12 seconds for
second and 8 seconds for third. Time bonuses are deducted from the riders
elapsed time, improving the elapsed time for which he is credited.

The best young rider competition is just like the GC competition, except
it's just for riders under 25 (I think). The leader of this competition
wears the white jersey.

Then there's the points competition. This is mostly to make things
interesting for the sprinters and to spice up the action along the route on
the otherwise long and boring stages. There are designated sprint lines
where points are awarded based on who reaches them first, second and so-on.
Some are "intermediate sprints" in towns along the route. Others are at the
finishes -- usually of flat stages that favor the sprintes. The leader of
this competition wears the green jersey.

Finally, there's the "King of the Mountains" competition. It's another
competition for points awarded at the tops of all the major climbs along the
route -- excluding climbs that are at the end of stages with mountaintop
finishes. The leader of this competition wears the polka dot jersey. This
person is commonly referred to as the "best climber." However, there are
some damn good climbers who don't care about intermediate climbs so much,
but who tear it up on mountaintop finishes in order to do best on the GC
competition (Lance, for instance).

I hope this helps you somewhat. (I also hope I got most of it right.)

--
Bob C.

"Of course it hurts. The trick is not minding that it hurts."
T. E. Lawrence (of Arabia)

"phoenixar" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Hello everyone!
I'm new to cycling and would like to understand how the scoring works
in the Tour de France. Is there an web site/page that explains stuff
like how TT works and all?

Thanks in advance 😄

Have a look at this:
http://www.letour.fr/2005/TDF/LIVE/us/100/r1_enjeux.html

Art Harris said:

phoenixar said:

I'm new to cycling and would like to understand how the scoring works in the Tour de France. Is there an web site/page that explains stuff like how TT works and all?

I think you need a PhD in Math to understand how the Team Time Trial is
scored these days...

For most of the other stages, it's elapsed time (except that the top
three(?) finishers get time bonuses). See:
http://www.letour.fr/2005/TDF/LIVE/us/900/r1_enjeux.html

Art Harris

So is it considered better to win the yellow jersey, or to win a
stage? Jens Voigt was/is in this position after Stage 10.

If you win the stage you're in the record books. Winning the Yellow
could be a bit of a denoument, say if someone just struggled in and
got the time via bonuses in the GC to put them briefly in yellow.
Winning a stage is an awesome event, but I suspect wearing the Yellow
jersey is deemed more noteworthy. (sorry for the dumb question) ;-)

jj

jj <[email hidden]> wrote:
:> On 11 Jul 2005 12:34:07 -0700, "Art Harris" <[email hidden]> wrote:
:>
:> >phoenixar wrote:
:> >
:> >> I'm new to cycling and would like to understand how the scoring
:> >> works in the Tour de France. Is there an web site/page that
:> >> explains stuff like how TT works and all?
:> >
:> >I think you need a PhD in Math to understand how the Team Time
:> >Trial is
:> >scored these days...
:> >
:> >For most of the other stages, it's elapsed time (except that the top
:> >three(?) finishers get time bonuses). See:
:> >http://www.letour.fr/2005/TDF/LIVE/us/900/r1_enjeux.html
:> >
:> >Art Harris
:>
:> So is it considered better to win the yellow jersey, or to win a
:> stage? Jens Voigt was/is in this position after Stage 10.
:>
:> If you win the stage you're in the record books. Winning the Yellow
:> could be a bit of a denoument, say if someone just struggled in and
:> got the time via bonuses in the GC to put them briefly in yellow.
:> Winning a stage is an awesome event, but I suspect wearing the Yellow
:> jersey is deemed more noteworthy. (sorry for the dumb question) ;-)

I doubt someone could win yellow without winning a single stage. Winning
just a single stage is a big deal for a cyclist, though. It is definitely
better to be the overall winner than to win a single stage.

:>
:> jj

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Quoted message said:

I doubt someone could win yellow without winning a single

stage. Winning

Quoted message said:

just a single stage is a big deal for a cyclist, though. It

is definitely

Quoted message said:

better to be the overall winner than to win a single stage.

You can not only wear the yellow jersey, you can win the
entire tour without winning a single stage.

"LeMond is one of the few cyclists to win the Tour de France
without winning a single stage."
http://www.answers.com/topic/greg-lemond

Mike Kruger <[email hidden]> wrote:
:> "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
:> news:[email hidden]...
:> >
:> > I doubt someone could win yellow without winning a single
:> stage. Winning
:> > just a single stage is a big deal for a cyclist, though. It
:> is definitely
:> > better to be the overall winner than to win a single stage.
:> >
:> You can not only wear the yellow jersey, you can win the
:> entire tour without winning a single stage.
:>
:> "LeMond is one of the few cyclists to win the Tour de France
:> without winning a single stage."
:> http://www.answers.com/topic/greg-lemond

So you confirmed my statement - I *doubt* someone could win yellow without
winning a single stage. Only a few have done so.

jj said:

So is it considered better to win the yellow jersey, or to win a

stage? Jens Voigt was/is in this position after Stage 10.

Quoted message said:

If you win the stage you're in the record books. Winning the Yellow

could be a bit of a denoument, say if someone just struggled in and
got the time via bonuses in the GC to put them briefly in yellow.
Winning a stage is an awesome event, but I suspect wearing the Yellow
jersey is deemed more noteworthy.

Depends. If you take the yellow jersey the day before Paris, you've
probably won the Tour de France. As for stage wins, the prestige would
depend on the particular stage and how you won it. A long solo
breakaway win on l'Alpe d'huez would be far better than winning a bunch
sprint on a flat stage.

Quoted message said:

From a crass monetary perspective, I think there is something like a

$1000 prize for winning a stage. A person who holds the yellow jersey
for just one day gets to keep the jersey.

Art Harris

Art Harris said:

jj said:

So is it considered better to win the yellow jersey, or to win a

stage? Jens Voigt was/is in this position after Stage 10.

Quoted message said:

If you win the stage you're in the record books. Winning the Yellow

could be a bit of a denoument, say if someone just struggled in and
got the time via bonuses in the GC to put them briefly in yellow.
Winning a stage is an awesome event, but I suspect wearing the Yellow
jersey is deemed more noteworthy.

Depends. If you take the yellow jersey the day before Paris, you've
probably won the Tour de France. As for stage wins, the prestige would
depend on the particular stage and how you won it. A long solo
breakaway win on l'Alpe d'huez would be far better than winning a bunch
sprint on a flat stage.

Quoted message said:

From a crass monetary perspective, I think there is something like a

$1000 prize for winning a stage. A person who holds the yellow jersey
for just one day gets to keep the jersey.

Art Harris

How do you people know all this? I am an avid news watcher and if I
did not know about this Newsgroup, I would not know the TdF was going
on right now. I never hear anything about it. What station covers
it. I have about 600 0r more channels. Darn if I can find it.

Maggie

Maggie <[email hidden]> wrote:
:> Art Harris wrote:
:> > jj wrote:
:> >
:> > > So is it considered better to win the yellow jersey, or to win a
:> > stage? Jens Voigt was/is in this position after Stage 10.
:> >
:> > > If you win the stage you're in the record books. Winning the
:> > > Yellow
:> > could be a bit of a denoument, say if someone just struggled in and
:> > got the time via bonuses in the GC to put them briefly in yellow.
:> > Winning a stage is an awesome event, but I suspect wearing the
:> > Yellow jersey is deemed more noteworthy.
:> >
:> > Depends. If you take the yellow jersey the day before Paris, you've
:> > probably won the Tour de France. As for stage wins, the prestige
:> > would depend on the particular stage and how you won it. A long
:> > solo breakaway win on l'Alpe d'huez would be far better than
:> > winning a bunch sprint on a flat stage.
:> >
:> > >From a crass monetary perspective, I think there is something
:> > >like a
:> > $1000 prize for winning a stage. A person who holds the yellow
:> > jersey for just one day gets to keep the jersey.
:> >
:> > Art Harris
:>
:>
:> How do you people know all this? I am an avid news watcher and if I
:> did not know about this Newsgroup, I would not know the TdF was going
:> on right now. I never hear anything about it. What station covers
:> it. I have about 600 0r more channels. Darn if I can find it.

Try reading.

Maggie said:

Art Harris said:

jj said:

So is it considered better to win the yellow jersey, or to win a

stage? Jens Voigt was/is in this position after Stage 10.

Quoted message said:

If you win the stage you're in the record books. Winning the Yellow

could be a bit of a denoument, say if someone just struggled in and
got the time via bonuses in the GC to put them briefly in yellow.
Winning a stage is an awesome event, but I suspect wearing the Yellow
jersey is deemed more noteworthy.

Depends. If you take the yellow jersey the day before Paris, you've
probably won the Tour de France. As for stage wins, the prestige would
depend on the particular stage and how you won it. A long solo
breakaway win on l'Alpe d'huez would be far better than winning a bunch
sprint on a flat stage.

Quoted message said:

From a crass monetary perspective, I think there is something like a

$1000 prize for winning a stage. A person who holds the yellow jersey
for just one day gets to keep the jersey.

Art Harris

How do you people know all this? I am an avid news watcher and if I
did not know about this Newsgroup, I would not know the TdF was going
on right now. I never hear anything about it. What station covers
it. I have about 600 0r more channels. Darn if I can find it.

Maggie

OLN has good coverage. www.olntv.com

"Maggie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

How do you people know all this? I am an avid news watcher and if I
did not know about this Newsgroup, I would not know the TdF was going
on right now. I never hear anything about it. What station covers
it. I have about 600 0r more channels. Darn if I can find it.

OLN [Outdoor Life Network] has extensive coverage, showing the days action
with repeats, four times a day: 08:30 - 11:30 , 12:00 - 14:00 , 20:00 -
23:00 , and 12:00 - 02:30

Go to: http://www.olntv.com/ for details.

--
'What we've got hee-yuh,
is a fail-yuh, to communicate' -captain

Beverly said:

Maggie said:

Quoted message said:

How do you people know all this? I am an avid news watcher and if I
did not know about this Newsgroup, I would not know the TdF was going
on right now. I never hear anything about it. What station covers
it. I have about 600 0r more channels. Darn if I can find it.

Maggie

OLN has good coverage. www.olntv.com

Thank you. I appreciate you help. I'm really interested in watching
some of it. Just to see what it's like. Thanks

Maggie.

"Art Harris" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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A long solo breakaway win on l'Alpe d'huez would be far better than
winning a bunch
sprint on a flat stage.

I believe that you forgot to put the IMO in front of your statement. For
many riders winning the final stage in Paris is their highest goal.

Maggie wrote:
:: Beverly wrote:
::: Maggie wrote:
:::::
:::: How do you people know all this? I am an avid news watcher and if
:::: I did not know about this Newsgroup, I would not know the TdF was
:::: going on right now. I never hear anything about it. What
:::: station covers it. I have about 600 0r more channels. Darn if I
:::: can find it.
::::
:::: Maggie
:::
::: OLN has good coverage. www.olntv.com
::
::
:: Thank you. I appreciate you help. I'm really interested in watching
:: some of it. Just to see what it's like. Thanks

Read this too...it will give you an ideal of tactics.

http://msn.foxsports.com/cycling/story/3749754

Maggie said:

How do you people know all this?

Well, you can follow the TdF on OLN TV, or www.cyclingnews.com
or (last resort) one hour weekly summaries in CBS-TV on Sunday
afternoons (different times each week!).

Art Harris

Art said:

Well, you can follow the TdF on OLN TV, or www.cyclingnews.com
or (last resort) one hour weekly summaries in CBS-TV on Sunday
afternoons (different times each week!).

Also, the Austin Herald-Statesman has extensive coverage. Drawback: the
registration page keeps poinking back up. (I am not a subscriber. I do
not buy their paper. I have no intention of changing that. Stupid
dumbass pop-up keeps inviting me to subscribe.)

statesman.com

HTH

--Karen M.

psycholist said:

Everyone in rbr calls everyone else "dumbass." It's weird. Even if someone
has something nice to say (rare), they address the person as "dumbass."

Au contraire! Most of the "dumbass" posts seem to come from one person.
The rest of the regulars whine about how July in r.b.r is sooooo awful
(due to TdF coverage and folks like the OP dropping in to ask stuff of
the experts).

Sometimes the "dumbass" hurl is pretty funny.

I like it here better, where *I* am an expert. 🙂

HTH

--Karen M.
who cringed last night during the recap, after explaining team racing
to a neighbor who rejoined, "so LA isn't the world's best cyclist, if
he were he wouldn;t need a team." Dumbass!