TOPS week two, and OA chatline

Why do you bother with these?

Cubit wrote:
:: OA:
:: I discovered that Overeater's Anonymous does regular meeting
:: sessions by telephone conference call. Monday morning I got to be a
:: fly-on-the-wall during one of their meetings. (Use of a
:: speakerphone helps.) The schedule, phone numbers, and access codes
:: are listed publicly on their website. They had callers from Europe,
:: as well as from the US.
::
:: TOPS:
:: Yesterday, I attended my second TOPS meeting. I found the weigh-in
:: process to be fun. Of course, it helped that I was down 3 pounds on
:: their scale. My low carb eating was totally alien to most of them.
:: As prizes for weightloss, they like to give fruit! Fortunately,
:: they don't care how you lose, as long as it is "sensible."

Quoted message said:

: OA:
: TOPS:

Quoted message said:

Why do you bother with these?

If he has found something that works for him, who are we to
judge? Suport comes in many forms and cannot necessarily be
achieved through a single source. When you find something that
works, hold onto it for as long as you can. It may or may not
be fleeting.

Cheers!

Alex

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VirtualGuy said:

Quoted message said:

: OA:
: TOPS:

Quoted message said:

Why do you bother with these?

If he has found something that works for him, who are we to
judge? Suport comes in many forms and cannot necessarily be
achieved through a single source. When you find something that
works, hold onto it for as long as you can. It may or may not
be fleeting.

Well, he already has found something that works for him....it is not clear
to me what this does for him.

In article <[email hidden]>, VirtualGuy

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

: OA:
: TOPS:

Quoted message said:

Why do you bother with these?

If he has found something that works for him, who are we to
judge? Suport comes in many forms and cannot necessarily be
achieved through a single source. When you find something that
works, hold onto it for as long as you can. It may or may not
be fleeting.

Sharing our own impressions or experiences is not judging. TOPS and OA
suck. ASD rules!

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Diva
*****
The Best Man For The Job Is A Woman

Carol Frilegh wrote:
:: In article <[email hidden]>, VirtualGuy
:: <[email hidden]> wrote:
::
::::: OA:
::::: TOPS:
:::
:::: Why do you bother with these?
:::
::: If he has found something that works for him, who are we to
::: judge? Suport comes in many forms and cannot necessarily be
::: achieved through a single source. When you find something that
::: works, hold onto it for as long as you can. It may or may not
::: be fleeting.
::
:: Sharing our own impressions or experiences is not judging. TOPS and
:: OA suck. ASD rules!

I just want to know what he gets from it. I've never been to either TOPS or
OA meetings. Cubit seems successful without those, to me. And given that
they *seem* to promote some unnecessary eating, it *seems* potentially
hurtful to me.

::
:: --
:: Diva
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:: The Best Man For The Job Is A Woman

In article <[email hidden]>, Roger Zoul

Quoted message said:

Carol Frilegh wrote:
:: In article <[email hidden]>, VirtualGuy
:: <[email hidden]> wrote:
::
::::: OA:
::::: TOPS:
:::
:::: Why do you bother with these?
:::
::: If he has found something that works for him, who are we to
::: judge? Suport comes in many forms and cannot necessarily be
::: achieved through a single source. When you find something that
::: works, hold onto it for as long as you can. It may or may not
::: be fleeting.
::
:: Sharing our own impressions or experiences is not judging. TOPS and
:: OA suck. ASD rules!

I just want to know what he gets from it. I've never been to either TOPS or
OA meetings. Cubit seems successful without those, to me. And given that
they *seem* to promote some unnecessary eating, it *seems* potentially
hurtful to me.

Well, my upstairs neighbor never misses Benny Hin. I just saw an NBC
documentary on how he spends contributions. I have a distrust of
evangelical organizations in general even low cost ones like TOPS and
OA. ( And it contradicts that I had a very successful ten years from
1969 to 1979 working for Weight Watchers where we stood up and gave
testimonials)

Maybe this comes of liking to challenge myself with my own creative
programs for getting back in the groove. The latest is setting out to
lose just one pound before setting other goals. It seems so do-able.
I don't have to commit to anything longer term than today and maybe
tomorrow.

--
Diva
*****
The Best Man For The Job Is A Woman

Quoted message said:

Sharing our own impressions or experiences is not judging.
TOPS and OA suck. ASD rules!

Carol:

With all due respect, you are judging. The definition from m-
w.com, which I'm sure you're familiar with, is as follows:

Main Entry: judge
1 : to form an opinion about through careful weighing of
evidence and testing of premises
5 : to form an estimate or evaluation of; especially : to form
a negative opinion about <shouldn't judge him because of his
accent>
6 : to hold as an opinion : GUESS, THINK <I judge she knew
what she was doing>

If stating that TOPS and OA suck isn't judging, I don't know
what is. Not to mention, if I didn't know you better, I would
think that you're going to mention that your father can beat
up my father. 🙂

Cheers!

Alex

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VirtualGuy - Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
VirtualGuy.at.shaw.dot.ca
Website: http://members.shaw.ca/virtualguy
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Quoted message said:

I just want to know what he gets from it. I've never been
to either TOPS or OA meetings. Cubit seems successful
without those, to me. And given that they *seem* to
promote some unnecessary eating, it *seems* potentially
hurtful to me.

I've been to both TOPS and oA over the years. Personally
speaking, they were ports in a storm to, say the least. They
are not for everyone. However, if one chooses to attend, then
that's their perogative.

If I had to venture a guess, I would assume that Cubit is just
exploring different options to assist in his continued efforts
of weight loss and maintenance. If nothing else, just going to
a place of pople with like minds and talking face to face can be
of benefit.

Cheers!

Alex

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VirtualGuy - Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
VirtualGuy.at.shaw.dot.ca
Website: http://members.shaw.ca/virtualguy
*******************************************************

In article <[email hidden]>, VirtualGuy

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Sharing our own impressions or experiences is not judging.
TOPS and OA suck. ASD rules!

Carol:

With all due respect, you are judging. The definition from m-
w.com, which I'm sure you're familiar with, is as follows:

I specified that my opinion was personal and based on attending
meetings of both groups, TOPS and OA. I specified that I like to think
out of the box and devise my own creative approaches. When being
subjective on a topic, I usually qualify same. Sometimes I post links
when quoting from other sources, and as Jay jay has pointed out,
sometimes not.

If I ever have the ability to inhabit someone else's body for a time,
perhaps I can base my "personal" opinions on someone else's experience.
I tend to not be a groupie unless joining something very aavant garde
or trendy. Example: I got very excited about raw food but never planned
it to be my entire diet.

My most positive lifetime group weight loss commercial organization
experiences were with Weight Watchers 1968-1970. It was simply
fantastic! Believe it or not I have run into three or four people from
the classes and lecturing staff in those days and they have kept or
gotten back to their old WW ideal weights.

Of course when I mention that old original WW program from the mid
1960's, with 5 fish and one liver meal a week, 1200 calories a day and
low fat, it almost always gets dissed here. It was a damn good diet but
commercial ventures need new selling points to attract not only new
members but fallen angels back to the tent.

--
Diva
*****
The Best Man For The Job Is A Woman

In article <[email hidden]>, VirtualGuy

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I just want to know what he gets from it. I've never been
to either TOPS or OA meetings. Cubit seems successful
without those, to me. And given that they *seem* to
promote some unnecessary eating, it *seems* potentially
hurtful to me.

I've been to both TOPS and oA over the years. Personally
speaking, they were ports in a storm to, say the least. They
are not for everyone. However, if one chooses to attend, then
that's their perogative.

If I had to venture a guess, I would assume that Cubit is just
exploring different options to assist in his continued efforts
of weight loss and maintenance. If nothing else, just going to
a place of pople with like minds and talking face to face can be
of benefit.

Cheers!

Alex

Alex IN MY OPINION, the greatest strength is when we know enough to be
able to rely on ourselves. Gathering information from informed sources
and research enables us to be creative and independent. Sharing
experiences and information with others is also a natural thing as we
are social creatures. It is more helpful to many it to subscribe to
group mentality and entrust forming opinions to other authorities or
"higher" authorities as in the case of OA. I would not criticize or
deny others the right to do this or judge THEM.

I believe in moving ahead and trying new things. I try to learn
something new or do something differnently every day. It keeps life
exciting and increases my sense of being competent. This has worked
wonders for me especially in the past five years. When something works,
it makes sense to use it or do it.

Example. I have a backround as a writer. When there were no computers
and I had to rely on a typewriter, I got so caught up in corrections
that I lost my train of thought in piles of discarded attempts. The
computer enables me to make changes and corrections quickly without
losing ideas. I have many friends who are confounded by computers and
are missing an entire world of information and communication by not
having them. But they are content, so I just Google on and don't impose
my way on them.

So for those who find the aforementioned groups a help and haven, that
is what matters for them.

Meanwhile I assume when we are in a discussion on a specific topic, an
opposing view is not precluded.

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Diva
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The Best Man For The Job Is A Woman