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  1. That's right folks. My bicycle computer indicated my top speed was
    130kph. And it's not a wireless model. Strange ride today. First my
    front wheel almost collapses (see my other topic) and then this.
    On the return trip home from todays ride one of my riding buddies says
    to me "hey wonder how far we've ridden today?" I reply, "let me check
    my computer" as I button through my BC800's menu I see my top speed for
    the ride was 130kph!! I say to my other riding buddy who has a wireless
    Polar unit, "check this out my top speed for the trip is 130kph!!!" He
    says to me "that's nothing on one of today's climbs his heart rate was
    15 per minute." He told me that along today's route there was a
    military com unit that puts out some serious microwaves and who knows
    what. I said, "that's cool" I've heard of things that can cause strange
    reading on wireless bike computers. But mine is wired. Another first,
    for me. Explanations anyone?

    Kenny

  2. Kenny said:

    That's right folks. My bicycle computer indicated my top speed was
    130kph. And it's not a wireless model. Strange ride today. First my
    front wheel almost collapses (see my other topic) and then this.
    On the return trip home from todays ride one of my riding buddies says
    to me "hey wonder how far we've ridden today?" I reply, "let me check
    my computer" as I button through my BC800's menu I see my top speed for
    the ride was 130kph!! I say to my other riding buddy who has a wireless
    Polar unit, "check this out my top speed for the trip is 130kph!!!" He
    says to me "that's nothing on one of today's climbs his heart rate was
    15 per minute." He told me that along today's route there was a
    military com unit that puts out some serious microwaves and who knows
    what. I said, "that's cool" I've heard of things that can cause strange
    reading on wireless bike computers. But mine is wired. Another first,
    for me. Explanations anyone?

    Kenny

    No explainations but a suggestion, take the thing off and don't look
    back. Not worth the $ IMO.

  3. Qui si parla Campagnolo said:
    Kenny said:

    That's right folks. My bicycle computer indicated my top speed was
    130kph. And it's not a wireless model. Strange ride today. First my
    front wheel almost collapses (see my other topic) and then this.
    On the return trip home from todays ride one of my riding buddies says
    to me "hey wonder how far we've ridden today?" I reply, "let me check
    my computer" as I button through my BC800's menu I see my top speed for
    the ride was 130kph!! I say to my other riding buddy who has a wireless
    Polar unit, "check this out my top speed for the trip is 130kph!!!" He
    says to me "that's nothing on one of today's climbs his heart rate was
    15 per minute." He told me that along today's route there was a
    military com unit that puts out some serious microwaves and who knows
    what. I said, "that's cool" I've heard of things that can cause strange
    reading on wireless bike computers. But mine is wired. Another first,
    for me. Explanations anyone?

    Kenny

    No explainations but a suggestion, take the thing off and don't look
    back. Not worth the $ IMO.

    At the LBS the other day the wrench was pulling out his hair trying to
    get the cheapo chinese speedo somebody just bought to work. When I
    pointed out the two wheel magnets, he looked like he wanted to scream.

    Joseph

  4. "Kenny" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]
    :: That's right folks. My bicycle computer indicated my top
    :: speed was 130kph. And it's not a wireless model. Strange
    :: ride today. First my front wheel almost collapses (see
    :: my other topic) and then this.
    :: On the return trip home from todays ride one of my
    :: riding buddies says to me "hey wonder how far we've
    :: ridden today?" I reply, "let me check my computer" as I
    :: button through my BC800's menu I see my top speed for
    :: the ride was 130kph!! I say to my other riding buddy who
    :: has a wireless Polar unit, "check this out my top speed
    :: for the trip is 130kph!!!" He says to me "that's nothing
    :: on one of today's climbs his heart rate was 15 per
    :: minute." He told me that along today's route there was a
    :: military com unit that puts out some serious microwaves
    :: and who knows what. I said, "that's cool" I've heard of
    :: things that can cause strange reading on wireless bike
    :: computers. But mine is wired. Another first, for me.
    :: Explanations anyone?
    ::
    :: Kenny

    Just because a unit is wireless doesn't mean it's shielded. Strong radiated
    fields can induce currents on wires quite readily.

  5. "Roger Zoul" wrote: Just because a unit is wireless doesn't mean it's
    shielded. (clip)
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    Roger, your poofreading could stand improvement. <G>

  6. "Leo Lichtman" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    message
    news:[email hidden]
    :: "Roger Zoul" wrote: Just because a unit is wireless
    :: doesn't mean it's shielded. (clip)
    :: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    :: Roger, your poofreading could stand improvement. <G>

    Thanks, Leo. p/r nonexistance.

    Just because a unit is wired doesn't mean it's shielded.

    Damn! 🙂

  7. I got ya beat, I got my computer to read 139.8mph
    http://s27.photobucket.com/albums/c163/earlwb/Organized%20Rides/Muenster%20TX%20%202006/?action=view&current=bfba232f.jpg
    This was going down the big hill at Muesnter at the 2006 Germanfest ride. it
    is a good hill, as you sort of dive over a cliff and to think they actually
    paved it too. :-)
    Actually my computer does this weird stuff when the batteries are getting
    weak. New batteries generally correct the problem.

    "Kenny" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    That's right folks. My bicycle computer indicated my top speed was
    130kph. And it's not a wireless model. Strange ride today. First my
    front wheel almost collapses (see my other topic) and then this.
    On the return trip home from todays ride one of my riding buddies says
    to me "hey wonder how far we've ridden today?" I reply, "let me check
    my computer" as I button through my BC800's menu I see my top speed for
    the ride was 130kph!! I say to my other riding buddy who has a wireless
    Polar unit, "check this out my top speed for the trip is 130kph!!!" He
    says to me "that's nothing on one of today's climbs his heart rate was
    15 per minute." He told me that along today's route there was a
    military com unit that puts out some serious microwaves and who knows
    what. I said, "that's cool" I've heard of things that can cause strange
    reading on wireless bike computers. But mine is wired. Another first,
    for me. Explanations anyone?

    Kenny

  8. "Kenny" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:1166367131.111612.38390
    @f1g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

    Quoted message said:

    He told me that along today's route there was a
    military com unit that puts out some serious microwaves and who knows
    what. I said, "that's cool" I've heard of things that can cause strange
    reading on wireless bike computers. But mine is wired. Another first,
    for me. Explanations anyone?

    While I suppose it's possible that it's due to the military microwave
    comm., I would be surprised. You might be able to test that theory by
    placing your bike in the kitchen when you are reheating leftovers in your
    microwave oven.

    I would try replacing the battery in the cyclocomputer and see if it
    happens again. When the voltage goes low, strange things can happen to
    digital circuits.

    Cheers,
    David

  9. Kenny said:

    That's right folks. My bicycle computer indicated my top speed
    was 130kph. And it's not a wireless model. Strange ride today.
    First my front wheel almost collapses (see my other topic) and
    then this. On the return trip home from todays ride one of my
    riding buddies says
    to me "hey wonder how far we've ridden today?" I reply, "let
    me check my computer" as I button through my BC800's menu I
    see my top speed for the ride was 130kph!! I say to my other
    riding buddy who has a wireless Polar unit, "check this out my
    top speed for the trip is 130kph!!!" He says to me "that's
    nothing on one of today's climbs his heart rate was 15 per
    minute." He told me that along today's route there was a
    military com unit that puts out some serious microwaves and
    who knows what. I said, "that's cool" I've heard of things
    that can cause strange reading on wireless bike computers. But
    mine is wired. Another first, for me. Explanations anyone?

    130 km/h might be a first, but I've previously discussed my
    maximum trip speed of 369 km/h on a wired VDO C10.

    To find the frequency of the "interference" which caused the
    anomolous reading, multiply the wheel circumference in metres
    by 3.6, and divide that into your km/h reading.

    In my case, the C10 was set to a wheel circumference of 2050 mm.
    369 / (3.6 * 2.05) = 50 Hertz, which is mains frequency where I
    live.

    Another poster recorded 565.65 km/h with a wheel circumference
    of 2095 mm (wireless unit this time). That 75 Hertz turned out
    to be the signalling frequency used on the European railway he
    was riding alongside.

    John

  10. My bike speedo stops working when I turn on the Cygo Dualcross LED light
    that I have. It indicates a constant 63kph regardless of actual speed...

    "Kenny" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    That's right folks. My bicycle computer indicated my top speed was
    130kph. And it's not a wireless model. Strange ride today. First my
    front wheel almost collapses (see my other topic) and then this.
    On the return trip home from todays ride one of my riding buddies says
    to me "hey wonder how far we've ridden today?" I reply, "let me check
    my computer" as I button through my BC800's menu I see my top speed for
    the ride was 130kph!! I say to my other riding buddy who has a wireless
    Polar unit, "check this out my top speed for the trip is 130kph!!!" He
    says to me "that's nothing on one of today's climbs his heart rate was
    15 per minute." He told me that along today's route there was a
    military com unit that puts out some serious microwaves and who knows
    what. I said, "that's cool" I've heard of things that can cause strange
    reading on wireless bike computers. But mine is wired. Another first,
    for me. Explanations anyone?

  11. Kenny said:

    That's right folks. My bicycle computer indicated my top speed was
    130kph. And it's not a wireless model. Strange ride today. First my
    front wheel almost collapses (see my other topic) and then this.
    On the return trip home from todays ride one of my riding buddies says
    to me "hey wonder how far we've ridden today?" I reply, "let me check
    my computer" as I button through my BC800's menu I see my top speed for
    the ride was 130kph!! I say to my other riding buddy who has a wireless
    Polar unit, "check this out my top speed for the trip is 130kph!!!" He
    says to me "that's nothing on one of today's climbs his heart rate was
    15 per minute." He told me that along today's route there was a
    military com unit that puts out some serious microwaves and who knows
    what. I said, "that's cool" I've heard of things that can cause strange
    reading on wireless bike computers. But mine is wired. Another first,
    for me. Explanations anyone?

    A sufficiently strong radio signal on the right frequency to resonate
    on the length of the conductor in your sensor lead will cause the lead
    to become an antenna, coupling the RF signal into the comp. It may
    just be ignored, or it might result in a spurious reading, or it could
    temporarily disable or permanently damage the device, depending on the
    signal's strength and characteristics.

    The fact that this is possible (for many types of electronic device,
    not just bike comps) is behind a number of military and a few civilian
    police devices that are designed specifically to produce RF-coupled
    (and sometimes raw EM pulse) interference signals in various types of
    device. One of them is a radio signal generator that is intended to
    shut down the electronic drivetrain control systems of an automobile.
    It is not widely deployed for a number of reasons.

    --
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    Some gardening required to reply via email.
    Words processed in a facility that contains nuts.

  12. On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 22:47:46 GMT, Werehatrack <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    The fact that this is possible (for many types of electronic device,
    not just bike comps) is behind a number of military and a few civilian
    police devices that are designed specifically to produce RF-coupled
    (and sometimes raw EM pulse) interference signals in various types of
    device. One of them is a radio signal generator that is intended to
    shut down the electronic drivetrain control systems of an automobile.
    It is not widely deployed for a number of reasons.

    Gobs of power, giant projecting machinery, hugely expensive, hard to tune
    to any given make and model of car, and if you do succeed, you're left
    with a completely out of control car without brakes which might just be
    worse than when the methhead is behind the wheel?

    Jasper

  13. "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    Just because a unit is wired doesn't mean it's shielded.

    That's true, but a wired unit uses a reed switch that provides a solid
    closed circuit when the sensor is actuated. So it would take a far greater
    level of interference to overwhelm such a sensor than for a wireless
    computer.

    Cheers,
    David

  14. Werehatrack <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    A sufficiently strong radio signal on the right frequency to resonate
    on the length of the conductor in your sensor lead will cause the lead
    to become an antenna, coupling the RF signal into the comp. It may
    just be ignored, or it might result in a spurious reading, or it could
    temporarily disable or permanently damage the device, depending on the
    signal's strength and characteristics.

    While true in theory, I doubt this happens too often in practice.

    As I noted in my previous post here, the use of a reed switch allows for
    a much stronger signal than for a wireless pickup. Also, a low pass
    filter would be easy to apply, whereas a wireless would need to accept a
    certain RF band used by its transmitter.

    I think that most of the wired computer glitches are due to weak
    batteries.

    Cheers,
    David

  15. On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 23:22:45 GMT, Jasper Janssen <[email hidden]>

    may have said:

    On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 22:47:46 GMT, Werehatrack <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    The fact that this is possible (for many types of electronic device,
    not just bike comps) is behind a number of military and a few civilian
    police devices that are designed specifically to produce RF-coupled
    (and sometimes raw EM pulse) interference signals in various types of
    device. One of them is a radio signal generator that is intended to
    shut down the electronic drivetrain control systems of an automobile.
    It is not widely deployed for a number of reasons.

    Gobs of power, giant projecting machinery, hugely expensive, hard to tune
    to any given make and model of car,

    Actually, no. About 70% of the vehicles on the road have drivetrain
    control systems that are susceptible to being disabled by the device,
    which weighs about 15 pounds. Proximity is a problem, though; the
    range is limited. The cost, and the difficulty of ensuring that it
    will be in the place where it's needed, is the main stumbling block
    that prevents it from being more widely used. Part of the cost is in
    armoring the electrical system of the delivery vehicle so that *it*
    will not be rendered powerless by the same effect, though there is
    also a second deployment method that requires far more training and
    skill to use which overcomes this objection to a limited extent. In
    either case, however, the problem is that the average police officer
    will not encounter the need for such a device often enough to merit
    the expense of acquiring one for each patrol unit, and unless a
    vehicle that can be brought to bear has the device, it can't be used.

    Quoted message said:

    and if you do succeed, you're left
    with a completely out of control car without brakes

    WRONG! Zero cars now on the road in the US will be left without
    brakes at all subsequent to loss off engine power and/or electrical
    system operation. Some will experience reduced brake effectiveness,
    but even those should have ample braking capability to perform two or
    three hard full stops.

    Quoted message said:

    which might just be
    worse than when the methhead is behind the wheel?

    Having seen the results of both failing to halt the progress of a
    fleeing vehicle and of failing to pursue it, I do not believe that it
    is conscionable to leave such drivers at large. Unfortunately, it has
    also been demonstrated that unless the road can be emptied of other
    drivers, it is not safe to use sniping methods either. Like the
    average person in such circumstances, even the methhead will try to
    survive and continue the escape, and most fleeing drivers are not
    methheads anyway.

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  16. "Solvang Cyclist" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]
    :: "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    :: news:[email hidden]:
    ::
    ::: Just because a unit is wired doesn't mean it's shielded.
    :::
    :::
    ::
    :: That's true, but a wired unit uses a reed switch that
    :: provides a solid closed circuit when the sensor is
    :: actuated. So it would take a far greater level of
    :: interference to overwhelm such a sensor than for a
    :: wireless computer.
    ::

    We aren't making any comparison between wired and wireless....we're simply
    acknowledging that wired computers aren't immune to interference. And for
    all you know, such fields could be loose in the environment.

  17. Solvang Cyclist said:

    As I noted in my previous post here, the use of a reed switch allows for
    a much stronger signal than for a wireless pickup. Also, a low pass
    filter would be easy to apply, whereas a wireless would need to accept a
    certain RF band used by its transmitter.

    I think that most of the wired computer glitches are due to weak
    batteries.

    Cheers,
    David

    you don't think maybe the reed switch got jiggled when the wheel went
    over a bump ?

  18. [email hidden] wrote in news:1166555844.661505.64500
    @f1g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

    Quoted message said:

    you don't think maybe the reed switch got jiggled when the wheel went
    over a bump ?

    No. The reed arms have very little mass so I don't think they would touch
    based on the G-forces of going over bumps.

    I think that most of the strange readings seen on wired computers are due
    to weak batteries.

    Cheers,
    David

  19. Solvang Cyclist said:

    I think that most of the strange readings seen on wired computers are due
    to weak batteries.

    My wired triple digit speeds were both purely mechanical.
    1) rear sensor, locked the rear wheel, suspect I got the timing
    exactly right for the magnet to trip the sensor twice.
    2) front sensor, lost both wheels at slow speed on damp concrete,
    the front wheel accelerated as I fell, hence the high reading.

  20. Werehatrack said:

    On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 23:22:45 GMT, Jasper Janssen <[email hidden]>
    may have said:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    and if you do succeed, you're left
    with a completely out of control car without brakes

    WRONG! Zero cars now on the road in the US will be left without
    brakes at all subsequent to loss off engine power and/or electrical
    system operation. Some will experience reduced brake effectiveness,
    but even those should have ample braking capability to perform two or
    three hard full stops.

    Without ABS, traction control, and servo assist (at least eventually for
    the latter), though. And then there's those computerised electric brakes
    that were being touted right here a few days ago.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    which might just be
    worse than when the methhead is behind the wheel?

    Having seen the results of both failing to halt the progress of a
    fleeing vehicle and of failing to pursue it, I do not believe that it
    is conscionable to leave such drivers at large.

    My experience with high speed pursuits is mainly from occasionally
    catching "America's Most Awesome Car Chases" or whatever they call those
    shows, but going from that, the full on "let's use the sirens and weave
    through traffic" approach seems to be highly dangerous for suspect(s),
    officers, and bystanders -- wouldn't it usually make more sense to hang
    back a little, try to keep the speed down, and radio for a roadblock?
    Nobody outruns a Nokia..

    Jasper

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