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Simon Brooke said:

in message <[email hidden]>, Steven

(') said:

Sane people usually approve of measures that will save their lives, or
save them from being horribly crippled.

You mean you would. People /choose/ to ride mountain bikes, climb
mountains, sail small boats in open water, descend potholes, jump out of
aeroplanes, etc. All of these things are dangerous

No, they're not *all* dangerous. As a wise man once said about either
sailing or flying, I forget which: "It's not inherently dangerous. It's
just very unforgiving of mistakes."

R.

On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 14:22:12 +0100, Peter Clinch <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Steven said:

As I said, Peter, I believe it's an urban legend, and I believe that you're very
gullible.

Urban legends don't have verifiable audit trails,

There's no audit trail I can see.

I still think it's an urban legend, and I still think you're very gullible.

in message <[email hidden]>, Richard

(') said:

Simon Brooke said:

in message <[email hidden]>, Steven

(') said:

Sane people usually approve of measures that will save their lives, or
save them from being horribly crippled.

You mean you would. People /choose/ to ride mountain bikes, climb
mountains, sail small boats in open water, descend potholes, jump out
of aeroplanes, etc. All of these things are dangerous

No, they're not *all* dangerous. As a wise man once said about
either
sailing or flying, I forget which: "It's not inherently dangerous.
It's just very unforgiving of mistakes."

As are mountain biking and, indeed, driving. Human beings are prone to
make mistakes (and particularly so when tired and cold). In
mountaineering things /can/ fall on you (or break/slide under you)
without you doing anything spectacularly stupid but still most
mountaineering injuries come down to human error. I don't know about
caving.

So I stand by what I said about 'dangerous'. With perfect judgement,
perhaps they'd be safe. But we don't have perfect judgement.

--
[email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

;; When your hammer is C++, everything begins to look like a thumb.

"Steven" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 14:22:12 +0100, Peter Clinch <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Steven said:

As I said, Peter, I believe it's an urban legend, and I believe that
you're very
gullible.

Urban legends don't have verifiable audit trails,

There's no audit trail I can see.

I still think it's an urban legend, and I still think you're very
gullible.

Could somebody remind me what you're both talking about?

cheers,
clive

Steven said:

There's no audit trail I can see.

I still think it's an urban legend, and I still think you're very gullible.

You have to take my word for the audit trail, and despite no public
history in years of posting to this group suggesting I spin fictional
yarns to try and prove points you're not willing to do that.

And those that know me (and especially those here who know Mr. Mold as
well), will know that you're deluding yourself here. Not really my
problem if you've got a closed mind.

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

Clive George said:

Could somebody remind me what you're both talking about?

When Steven was "proving" how brilliant TOC rules were and couldn't
possibly be improved thanks to their decades of experience, I cited the
Silly Case Of Neil's Tandem as a demonstration that Scotrail's rules
were self-evidently ridiculous.

He came up with all sorts of reasons the tale /had/ to be impossible,
including questioning how could anyone pick up a tandem in a makeshift
box, all of which I countered with points demonstrating what had been
done was actually quite straightforward if you weren't determined it
couldn't be done. Eventually he accused me of making the story up, at
which juncture I pointed to a Google link demonstrating that if I'd made
it up then I'd made it up about 9 years ago and not changed any of the
details in the meantime.

At this point he started looking increasingly ridiculous, tried to shift
ground to me being a "selfish little [censored]" and after someone suggested
something not entirely dissimilar about himself, he abandoned the thread...

I brought it up again to show how his judgment isn't always impeccable,
and, to be honest, to grind some salt into wounds given his lack of
anything resembling social graces to anybody else here.

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 15:50:16 +0100, Peter Clinch <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Clive George said:

Could somebody remind me what you're both talking about?

An urban legend that Peter appears to have started about someone who was refused
permission to take a tandem on a train, and who subsequently cycled down to B&Q
and nabbed enough cardboard to put a box round said tandem. The then somehow got
this cardboard back to the station and made a box that encapsulated the tandem.

It just *screams* urban legend because although at first sight you might think,
ha ha, yes, very funny, when you think of the amount of cardboard required, how
it was man handled back to the station, how an awkward object such as a tandem
could be securely packaged, it all starts to sound just a *little* far fetched.

And knowing Peter's propensity for immediatly and unquestioningly believeing
anything that will help him make his case, I find his acceptance of this tale
indicates a degree of gullibility.

On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 15:38:56 +0100, Peter Clinch <[email hidden]>
wrote:

You posted a *very* far fetched tale in support of an argument, and then dragged
it up again in a completely unrelated case.

Of *course* it's an urban legend.

You've absolutely no proof whatsoever for this ridiculous tale.

"Steven" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

An urban legend that Peter appears to have started about someone who was
refused
permission to take a tandem on a train, and who subsequently cycled down
to B&Q
and nabbed enough cardboard to put a box round said tandem. The then
somehow got
this cardboard back to the station and made a box that encapsulated the
tandem.

It just *screams* urban legend because although at first sight you might
think,
ha ha, yes, very funny, when you think of the amount of cardboard
required, how
it was man handled back to the station, how an awkward object such as a
tandem
could be securely packaged, it all starts to sound just a *little* far
fetched.

And knowing Peter's propensity for immediatly and unquestioningly
believeing
anything that will help him make his case, I find his acceptance of this
tale
indicates a degree of gullibility.

Hey Steven - You know, there are others who'd like a go with your spade too.

clive

Steven said:

Of *course* it's an urban legend.

You've absolutely no proof whatsoever for this ridiculous tale.

What, aside from the personal assurance of one of my best friends and
his partner that it had happened to them in the immediate past when they
were relating how their holiday went, and if not true would have
required them teleporting over 100 miles to home with their bicycle?

Or do I have to get forensic grade evidence before I can relate what has
happened to trustworthy people?

Do you find your best friends habitually lie to you?

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 15:12:55 GMT, [email hidden] (Steven)

Quoted message said:

An urban legend that Peter appears to have started about someone who was refused
permission to take a tandem on a train, and who subsequently cycled down to B&Q
and nabbed enough cardboard to put a box round said tandem. The then somehow got
this cardboard back to the station and made a box that encapsulated the tandem.

Do you want me to demonstrate this being done? I am happy to do so.
It would make life slightly simpler if you allowed be to blag the
cardboard from M&S or maybe the local bike shop, as they are closer to
the station.

Unfortunately I have now thrown away the *cardboard box* in which my
tandem was delivered, so can't use that...

FWIW my triplet was also delivered in a cardboard box. A huge one!

Guy
--
May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk

88% of helmet statistics are made up, 65% of them at CHS, Puget Sound

In article said:

Clive George said:

Could somebody remind me what you're both talking about?

When Steven was "proving" how brilliant TOC rules were and couldn't
possibly be improved thanks to their decades of experience

Out of vague curiosity, is there any good reason he was (as far as I
can see from a quick look on Google wondering what this was about tandems
in boxes) starting threads defending them here and then complaining
it's not an appropriate forum to get them changed later?

Peter Clinch said:

Steven wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Of *course* it's an urban legend.

You've absolutely no proof whatsoever for this ridiculous tale.

Quoted message said:

Do you find your best friends habitually lie to you?

Well, it can't be true, so either you're lying or Neil is :-)

Roos

In article said:

Quoted message said:

Clive George said:

Could somebody remind me what you're both talking about?

permission to take a tandem on a train, and who subsequently cycled down to B&Q
and nabbed enough cardboard to put a box round said tandem. The then somehow got
this cardboard back to the station and made a box that encapsulated the tandem.

I take you've never been a B&Q then? They sell scissors, Stanley knives,
rolls of adhesive tape, glue, string, and so on - in fact pretty much anything
you can possibly think of that might be useful in putting some cardboard
around something.

Steven said:

On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 15:38:56 +0100, Peter Clinch <[email hidden]>
wrote:

You posted a *very* far fetched tale in support of an argument,
and then dragged it up again in a completely unrelated case.

Of *course* it's an urban legend.

You've absolutely no proof whatsoever for this ridiculous tale.

What's far fetched about finding a large piece of cardboard to wrap
round a tandem? Believe it or not even wilder things than this have
happened.

--
Dave...

"John Hearns" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Dave Larrington said:

Sadly, further progress was impeded by a Transit van too large and opaque
to be overtaken with the available reserves of space and gearing.

1 - being a Jag it could, of course, have broken down of its own accord

Being a Jag, I thought they were all repaired using silk stockings.
You should have stopped to offer assistance.

I now have a mental vision of Mr Larrington which may well mean I am in need
of medication ;-)

Cheers, helen s

in message <[email hidden]>, Peter Clinch

(') said:

Steven said:

Of *course* it's an urban legend.

You've absolutely no proof whatsoever for this ridiculous tale.

Do you find your best friends habitually lie to you?

You're making a dangerous, and, on the evidence, unwarranted assumption
there, Pete.

--
[email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

... a mild, inoffensive sadist...

in message <[email hidden]>, Clive

George (') said:

"Steven" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

An urban legend that Peter appears to have started about someone who
was refused
permission to take a tandem on a train, and

Hey Steven - You know, there are others who'd like a go with your spade
too.

Don't take it off him, he's going to tunnel through and join
uk.rec.cycling up with aus.bicycle.

--
[email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

my other car is #<Subr-Car: #5d480>
;; This joke is not funny in emacs.

On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 16:23:34 +0100, Peter Clinch <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Steven said:

Of *course* it's an urban legend.

You've absolutely no proof whatsoever for this ridiculous tale.

What, aside from the personal assurance of one of my best friends and
his partner that it had happened to them in the immediate past when they
were relating how their holiday went, and if not true would have
required them teleporting over 100 miles to home with their bicycle?

Or do I have to get forensic grade evidence before I can relate what has
happened to trustworthy people?

Do you find your best friends habitually lie to you?

As far as I'm concerned it's just a tall tale told by someone who I've never
met, on the internet.

Just because a lot of gullible people are prepared to believe it, doesn't mean
it's true.

And the fact that it comes from someone who, given the amount of stuff he can
post on here all day long, and his employment details as posted in his sig, is
clearly quite happy to steal large quantities of his employer's time for non
work related internet play doesn't fill me with confidence in its veracity.

(Oh, and if you're a night shift operator, please accept my apologies in
advance).

In article said:

On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 15:38:56 +0100, Peter Clinch <[email hidden]>
wrote:

Of *course* it's an urban legend.

You do realize that urban legends can be true?
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