Too much water?

Rob said:

Hey all,

I was wondering if anyone can tell me if there is such a thing as

drinking

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too much water a day? I know the recommendation is at least 64 oz,

but can

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you drink too much?

Just wondering...

Rob

yes

" was wondering if anyone can tell me if there is such a thing as
drinking
too much water a day? I know the recommendation is at least 64 oz, but
can
you drink too much? "

Yes, you can in fact kill yourself if you drink excessive water, though
it's pretty hard to do, as you'd really have to force yourself. Too
much causes brain swelling and electrolyte imbalances. There have been
documented cases of it occurring.

As for the 64 Oz recommendation, there was a news article last year on
that. Researchers went back and tried to find what it was based on,
studies, etc. They found zippo. It's just something passed down as
fact, without any real basis. For those on the early stages of a LC
diet, I think it is important to drink plenty of water to help flush
the fat breakdown byproducts out of the system. For the average
person, simply drinking when you feel like it or are thirsty should be
fine.

The best advice I've seen wrt water amounts, is to drink enough such
that you have 5 or so "clear" urinations per day. Less water (thus
darker urine) means you're not fully hydrated, but more would be of
little benefit.

Perdu said:

On 29 Mar 2005 06:24:34 -0800, "[email hidden]"
<[email hidden]> said :

Quoted message said:

" was wondering if anyone can tell me if there is such a thing as
drinking
too much water a day? I know the recommendation is at least 64 oz, but
can
you drink too much? "

Yes, you can in fact kill yourself if you drink excessive water, though
it's pretty hard to do, as you'd really have to force yourself. Too
much causes brain swelling and electrolyte imbalances. There have been
documented cases of it occurring.

As for the 64 Oz recommendation, there was a news article last year on
that. Researchers went back and tried to find what it was based on,
studies, etc. They found zippo. It's just something passed down as
fact, without any real basis. For those on the early stages of a LC
diet, I think it is important to drink plenty of water to help flush
the fat breakdown byproducts out of the system. For the average
person, simply drinking when you feel like it or are thirsty should be
fine.

Well agreed. I had found no evidence of drinking a lot of water being in
any way helpful. Claims had been made you lose faster, and so on. I do
agree during induction to step it up. And when you are in a real hot place,
like Arizona during a heat wave, to load up on water beyond a bit perhaps
of what you feel you need.

But in general - I believe it to be hogwash. I think the rumor may have
been started by a bathroom attendant in Vegas. More tips.

I live in Las Vegas and can tell you it's not hogwash, especially to
those who aren't acclimated to the heat. I’ve seen plenty of people drop
at a taxi / shuttle bus stop out here. When I moved out here it took 3
or 4 months for my lips to stop cracking and my nose to stop bleeding
from being so dry. The low humidity and heat were sucking the moisture
out of me. Once I increased my intake everything got much better.

Health experts recommend that adults drink between six and eight 8-oz
glasses of water per day. These needs would increase in hot and dry
weather. Heat stroke and even death can result if as little as 10% of
the body fluids are lost and not replaced orally or intravenously.

My wife and I average 3) 5 gal bottles and 2-3) cases (16 ½ oz x 24
bottles) of water every month during the summer. Any local can tell you
they never go anywhere without a water bottle during the summer heat
unless you are just plain stupid.

http://www.thelatestmagazine.com/Articles/0604ChronicDehydration.htm

Perdu said:

On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 11:28:01 -0800, Bunky42 <[email hidden]> said :

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I live in Las Vegas and can tell you it's not hogwash, especially to
those who aren't acclimated to the heat.

As I had mentioned, it is important in high heat areas. I had blacked out
once in 120 + heat in Phoenix, thinking I had hydrated myself enough. So I
remember that well. And I heed the warnings in the same type of conditions.

But on the average, people pumping water over and above, is hogwash. Like
a poster here said, if your urine is clear, you do ok, but if you are
consistently dark, then you need to "thin" it out by drinking more.

Perdu

Didn't some research group feed rats high volumes and it caused cancer?

Bunky42 said:

Perdu said:

On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 11:28:01 -0800, Bunky42 <[email hidden]>
said :

Quoted message said:

I live in Las Vegas and can tell you it's not hogwash, especially to
those who aren't acclimated to the heat.

As I had mentioned, it is important in high heat areas. I had blacked
out
once in 120 + heat in Phoenix, thinking I had hydrated myself enough.
So I
remember that well. And I heed the warnings in the same type of
conditions.

But on the average, people pumping water over and above, is hogwash.
Like
a poster here said, if your urine is clear, you do ok, but if you are
consistently dark, then you need to "thin" it out by drinking more.

Perdu

Didn't some research group feed rats high volumes and it caused cancer?

Never mind it was chlorinated tap water that caused cancer in rats

wombn said:

On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 11:28:01 -0800, Bunky42 <[email hidden]>

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http://www.thelatestmagazine.com/Articles/0604ChronicDehydration.htm

interesting article.

I don't know what to think about the article. But I do know that living
out here in the desert I feel it if I let my intake decrease below the
8-10 glasses a day(approx.). I fall out of ketosis and get nasty
headaches too. As with everything it may just be the way my body reacts.
YMMV

On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 16:52:25 -0500, Roger Zoul <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

DJ Delorie wrote:
:: The best advice I've seen wrt water amounts, is to drink enough such
:: that you have 5 or so "clear" urinations per day. Less water (thus
:: darker urine) means you're not fully hydrated, but more would be of
:: little benefit.

I wonder what the basis of this argument is. I know it came from Lyle M,
but who says that the color of urine determines one's hydration level?

Especially if one does not take supplements. Or perhaps does.

--
Bob in CT

DJ Delorie wrote:
:: The best advice I've seen wrt water amounts, is to drink enough such
:: that you have 5 or so "clear" urinations per day. Less water (thus
:: darker urine) means you're not fully hydrated, but more would be of
:: little benefit.

I wonder what the basis of this argument is. I know it came from Lyle M,
but who says that the color of urine determines one's hydration level?

DJ Delorie said:

The best advice I've seen wrt water amounts, is to drink enough such
that you have 5 or so "clear" urinations per day. Less water (thus
darker urine) means you're not fully hydrated, but more would be of
little benefit.

One should also take into account that there are things that will
significantly add color to urine. One of the B vitamins (I forget
which one offhand) will add significantly to the color of your urine.
Depending on the strength of the supplement it can turn a clear stream
to pale yellow, moderate yellow or bright yellow. This does not mean
that you are suddenly dehydrated. If you are taking a strong
B-Vitamin complex and try to drink enough water to get clear urine you
will likely be drinking too much water and upset your electrolyte
balance.

i think it was 7/11 with the 64oz big gulp that started it all.
yep,yep

email hidden said:

" was wondering if anyone can tell me if there is such a thing as
drinking
too much water a day? I know the recommendation is at least 64 oz, but
can
you drink too much? "

Yes, you can in fact kill yourself if you drink excessive water, though
it's pretty hard to do, as you'd really have to force yourself. Too
much causes brain swelling and electrolyte imbalances. There have been
documented cases of it occurring.

As for the 64 Oz recommendation, there was a news article last year on
that. Researchers went back and tried to find what it was based on,
studies, etc. They found zippo. It's just something passed down as
fact, without any real basis. For those on the early stages of a LC
diet, I think it is important to drink plenty of water to help flush
the fat breakdown byproducts out of the system. For the average
person, simply drinking when you feel like it or are thirsty should be
fine.

Roger Zoul said:

I wonder what the basis of this argument is. I know it came from Lyle M,
but who says that the color of urine determines one's hydration level?

It doesn't determine it, it's an indicator. At least, you know if you
have enough clear ones, that your body is dumping excess water.

It's certainly better than assigning an arbitrary number of ounces to
each person, and hoping it's the right amount ;-)

You haven't gotten into good enough shape to make any claims based on
experience.

--
Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW

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Quoted message said:

On 29 Mar 2005 06:24:34 -0800, "[email hidden]"
<[email hidden]> said :

Quoted message said:

" was wondering if anyone can tell me if there is such a thing as
drinking
too much water a day? I know the recommendation is at least 64 oz, but
can
you drink too much? "

Yes, you can in fact kill yourself if you drink excessive water, though
it's pretty hard to do, as you'd really have to force yourself. Too
much causes brain swelling and electrolyte imbalances. There have been
documented cases of it occurring.

As for the 64 Oz recommendation, there was a news article last year on
that. Researchers went back and tried to find what it was based on,
studies, etc. They found zippo. It's just something passed down as
fact, without any real basis. For those on the early stages of a LC
diet, I think it is important to drink plenty of water to help flush
the fat breakdown byproducts out of the system. For the average
person, simply drinking when you feel like it or are thirsty should be
fine.

Well agreed. I had found no evidence of drinking a lot of water being in
any way helpful. Claims had been made you lose faster, and so on. I do
agree during induction to step it up. And when you are in a real hot
place,
like Arizona during a heat wave, to load up on water beyond a bit perhaps
of what you feel you need.

But in general - I believe it to be hogwash. I think the rumor may have
been started by a bathroom attendant in Vegas. More tips.

I think it's a matter of common sense. The more water you drink in
comparison to other beverages, the more your kidneys will love you.

Everyone can sit around and bandy the advantages or disadvantages of
drinking water.

If someone deprives their body of foods containing electorlytes, namely
sodium and potasssium, I can see a problem. It won't happen overnight, but
over a few years. The human body is resiliant to change, and will continue
for a long while in abcesnce of essential nutrients.

People who want to modify their diets should take serious interest in the
consequences, that's all. Make sure you know what you are doing.

Rob said:

Hey all,

I was wondering if anyone can tell me if there is such a thing as drinking
too much water a day? I know the recommendation is at least 64 oz, but can
you drink too much?

There is such a thing as water poisoning, but you're very unlikely to
suffer from it unless you drink *gallonS* of water a day.

I usually drink 3-4 liters a day. And I started doing that years
before I began to low carb.

Myra

DJ Delorie wrote:
:: "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> writes:
::: I wonder what the basis of this argument is. I know it came from
::: Lyle M, but who says that the color of urine determines one's
::: hydration level?
::
:: It doesn't determine it, it's an indicator. At least, you know if
:: you have enough clear ones, that your body is dumping excess water.

If getting clear urine requires you drink more water than you want, is that
good? Is having to dump excess water good?

::
:: It's certainly better than assigning an arbitrary number of ounces to
:: each person, and hoping it's the right amount ;-)

Well, I don't disagree with that.

Having clear pee does make me feel good about my pee, though 🙂 I wonder if
I need some lab work done that requires pee, if clear pee would be as good a
pee with color? Hmm....

DJ Delorie wrote:
:: "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> writes:
::: I wonder what the basis of this argument is. I know it came from
::: Lyle M, but who says that the color of urine determines one's
::: hydration level?
::
:: It doesn't determine it, it's an indicator. At least, you know if
:: you have enough clear ones, that your body is dumping excess water.

If getting clear urine requires you drink more water than you want, is that
good? Is having to dump excess water good?

::
:: It's certainly better than assigning an arbitrary number of ounces to
:: each person, and hoping it's the right amount ;-)

Well, I don't disagree with that.

Having clear pee does make me feel good about my pee, though 🙂 I wonder if
I need some lab work done that requires pee, if clear pee would be as good a
pee with color? Hmm....

Jim Bard wrote:
:: I think it's a matter of common sense. The more water you drink in
:: comparison to other beverages, the more your kidneys will love you.

Why does common sense say that? If most of those beverages you're drinking
that aren't water, contain water, and you're drinking enough, how can you
say with any certainly that your kidneys love you any more than otherwise?
The parts of those beverages that aren't water can be considered food, for
example.

::
:: Everyone can sit around and bandy the advantages or disadvantages of
:: drinking water.
::
:: If someone deprives their body of foods containing electorlytes,
:: namely sodium and potasssium, I can see a problem. It won't happen
:: overnight, but over a few years. The human body is resiliant to
:: change, and will continue for a long while in abcesnce of essential
:: nutrients.
::
:: People who want to modify their diets should take serious interest
:: in the consequences, that's all. Make sure you know what you are
:: doing.

How can one be sure one really knows what one is doing?

Jim Bard wrote:
:: I think it's a matter of common sense. The more water you drink in
:: comparison to other beverages, the more your kidneys will love you.

Why does common sense say that? If most of those beverages you're drinking
that aren't water, contain water, and you're drinking enough, how can you
say with any certainly that your kidneys love you any more than otherwise?
The parts of those beverages that aren't water can be considered food, for
example.

::
:: Everyone can sit around and bandy the advantages or disadvantages of
:: drinking water.
::
:: If someone deprives their body of foods containing electorlytes,
:: namely sodium and potasssium, I can see a problem. It won't happen
:: overnight, but over a few years. The human body is resiliant to
:: change, and will continue for a long while in abcesnce of essential
:: nutrients.
::
:: People who want to modify their diets should take serious interest
:: in the consequences, that's all. Make sure you know what you are
:: doing.

How can one be sure one really knows what one is doing?