Too Much Iron in Multi-Vit

The Spungonator said:

I was all excited about buying Multi-Pro 32X since it's new in Canada, but
quickly decided not to after seeing how much damn iron is in these little
buggers. 18 mg! Most multis only have 4 mg. According to some of the web
sites I visited about excess iron, very little is lost from the body (hair,
blood, dead skin?) and there are some pretty nasty side effects from having
too much iron in your system. Most sites said 10 was the safe limit, 18
seemed ridiculous. Anyone know if/how harmfull 18mg of iron per day would
be? Thanks.

From someone who has iron accumulation from being transfusion
dependant, unless you have problems related to low iron you do not need
extra, especially for males! I have a needle in my side 12 hours a day
in order to clear by chelation 20mg of iron a day. 18mg a day is
massive, and can lead to all sorts of problems (including vascular
disease, as high iron is a better predictor of it than cholesterol
levels). If I were you, I'd avoid that supplement.

Cheers,

Ari

--
spammage trappage: replace fishies_ with yahoo

I'm going to die rather sooner than I'd like. I tried to protect my
neighbours from crime, and became the victim of it. Complications in
hospital following this resulted in a serious illness. I now need a bone
marrow transplant. Many people around the world are waiting for a marrow
transplant, too. Please volunteer to be a marrow donor:
http://www.abmdr.org.au/
http://www.marrow.org/

The Spungonator said:

I was all excited about buying Multi-Pro 32X since it's new
in Canada, but quickly decided not to after seeing how much
damn iron is in these little buggers. 18 mg! Most multis only
have 4 mg. According to some of the web sites I visited about
excess iron, very little is lost from the body (hair, blood,
dead skin?) and there are some pretty nasty side effects
from having too much iron in your system.
Most sites said 10 was the safe limit, 18 seemed ridiculous.
Anyone know if/how harmfull 18mg of iron per day would be? Thanks.

Nutrition reference label for AST MultiPro32x:
http://www.netrition.com/ast_multi_pro_page.html

What are your needs? Dieting? Intense exercise? Marathon?
It may vary ...

Quoted message said:

From Supplement Watch: http://tinyurl.com/6btje

"Endurance athletes, in particular seem to be at risk of becoming iron
deficient due to an imbalance between absorption of dietary iron and
exercise-induced iron loss. The majority of men, but not women, appear
to achieve the recommended dietary intake of iron (10 to 15 mg/day).
<<snip>> Athletes engaged in heavy training almost certainly have an
elevated iron requirement due to inadequate intake and excessive losses
<<snip>> The Daily Value for iron is 18mg per day. Women typically
consume about 10mg of iron each day and men get closer to 15-20 mg."

Quoted message said:

From WholeHealthMD: http://tinyurl.com/3jv3n

"Doses of iron higher than the tolerable upper daily intake level (UL)
of *45 mg* can cause nausea, vomiting, and constipation. Very high
doses can be fatal"

Note that on your vitamin brand label that 18mg is 100% of your RDA,
and you need to take two a day. So you may as well finish off the
bottle you have now and buy a different brand next time if this worrys
you. You certainly wont keel over or develop hemachromatosis just from
a bit more than a months supply.

<<joni>>

On Sat, 02 Apr 2005 19:58:41 +0800, spodosaurus

spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com said:

The Spungonator said:

I was all excited about buying Multi-Pro 32X since it's new in Canada, but
quickly decided not to after seeing how much damn iron is in these little
buggers. 18 mg! Most multis only have 4 mg. According to some of the web
sites I visited about excess iron, very little is lost from the body (hair,
blood, dead skin?) and there are some pretty nasty side effects from having
too much iron in your system. Most sites said 10 was the safe limit, 18
seemed ridiculous. Anyone know if/how harmfull 18mg of iron per day would
be? Thanks.

From someone who has iron accumulation from being transfusion
dependant, unless you have problems related to low iron you do not need
extra, especially for males! I have a needle in my side 12 hours a day
in order to clear by chelation 20mg of iron a day. 18mg a day is
massive, and can lead to all sorts of problems (including vascular
disease, as high iron is a better predictor of it than cholesterol
levels). If I were you, I'd avoid that supplement.

Cheers,

Ari

I was under the impression that too much iron in the blood, while
detrimental to health, isn't exactly a problem for most people, just a
few. Anyhoo, I don't take a multi, but occasionally take an iron
pill, just because I don't eat as much red meat as many people and
there is some family history of anemia (my father). The one "nasty
side effect" I noticed right away was constipation, an effect whose
cause I'm a bit curious about. That is, I'm wondering if the
constipation itself is a signal that iron was low, so the gut slows
down to help absorb more of it. Another side effect is darkened
stool, which I presume to be unabsorbed iron that gets passed.

My habit now is to just take a time-released iron supplement (SloFe)
maybe once a week, or when I remember.

-----------
Proton Soup

"And all this peace has been deceiving,
I need some wind to get me sailing"

"joni" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

The Spungonator said:

I was all excited about buying Multi-Pro 32X since it's new
in Canada, but quickly decided not to after seeing how much
damn iron is in these little buggers. 18 mg! Most multis only
have 4 mg. According to some of the web sites I visited about
excess iron, very little is lost from the body (hair, blood,
dead skin?) and there are some pretty nasty side effects
from having too much iron in your system.
Most sites said 10 was the safe limit, 18 seemed ridiculous.
Anyone know if/how harmfull 18mg of iron per day would be? Thanks.

Nutrition reference label for AST MultiPro32x:
http://www.netrition.com/ast_multi_pro_page.html

What are your needs? Dieting? Intense exercise? Marathon?
It may vary ...

Quoted message said:

From Supplement Watch: http://tinyurl.com/6btje

"Endurance athletes, in particular seem to be at risk of becoming iron
deficient due to an imbalance between absorption of dietary iron and
exercise-induced iron loss. The majority of men, but not women, appear
to achieve the recommended dietary intake of iron (10 to 15 mg/day).
<<snip>> Athletes engaged in heavy training almost certainly have an
elevated iron requirement due to inadequate intake and excessive losses
<<snip>> The Daily Value for iron is 18mg per day. Women typically
consume about 10mg of iron each day and men get closer to 15-20 mg."

Quoted message said:

From WholeHealthMD: http://tinyurl.com/3jv3n

"Doses of iron higher than the tolerable upper daily intake level (UL)
of *45 mg* can cause nausea, vomiting, and constipation. Very high
doses can be fatal"

Note that on your vitamin brand label that 18mg is 100% of your RDA,
and you need to take two a day. So you may as well finish off the
bottle you have now and buy a different brand next time if this worrys
you. You certainly wont keel over or develop hemachromatosis just from
a bit more than a months supply.

Excellent. Only the second of the month, and you're already wrong. Gman can
just take a vacation.

Supplemental iron should NEVER be consumed by men or post-menopausal women,
unless they have a documented iron deficiency. Iron is directly linked to
increased heart disease. This is one of the reasons pre-menopausal women
have a lower incidence of cardiac disease than men: you bleed, monthly,
reducing your iron stores.

I look forward to the rest of your April wrongitudes.

<<david>>

The Spungonator said:

I was all excited about buying Multi-Pro 32X since it's new in
Canada, but quickly decided not to after seeing how much damn

iron

Quoted message said:

is in these little buggers. 18 mg! Most multis only have 4 mg.
According to some of the web sites I visited about excess

iron,

Quoted message said:

very little is lost from the body (hair, blood, dead skin?)

and

Quoted message said:

there are some pretty nasty side effects from having too much

iron

Quoted message said:

in your system. Most sites said 10 was the safe limit, 18

seemed

Quoted message said:

ridiculous. Anyone know if/how harmfull 18mg of iron per day

would

Quoted message said:

be? Thanks.

No healthy male over 21 needs supplemental iron. I get between
15 and 22mg everyday from diet. Centrum Silver, even though it
says it's for 50 years of age or over, has no iron.

K

Proton Soup said:

On Sat, 02 Apr 2005 19:58:41 +0800, spodosaurus

spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com said:

The Spungonator said:

I was all excited about buying Multi-Pro 32X since it's new in Canada, but
quickly decided not to after seeing how much damn iron is in these little
buggers. 18 mg! Most multis only have 4 mg. According to some of the web
sites I visited about excess iron, very little is lost from the body (hair,
blood, dead skin?) and there are some pretty nasty side effects from having
too much iron in your system. Most sites said 10 was the safe limit, 18
seemed ridiculous. Anyone know if/how harmfull 18mg of iron per day would
be? Thanks.

From someone who has iron accumulation from being transfusion
dependant, unless you have problems related to low iron you do not need
extra, especially for males! I have a needle in my side 12 hours a day
in order to clear by chelation 20mg of iron a day. 18mg a day is
massive, and can lead to all sorts of problems (including vascular
disease, as high iron is a better predictor of it than cholesterol
levels). If I were you, I'd avoid that supplement.

Cheers,

Ari

I was under the impression that too much iron in the blood, while
detrimental to health, isn't exactly a problem for most people, just a
few.

There are a few that hyper accumulate iron. they usually have a genetic
disorder called haemochromatosis.

Quoted message said:

Anyhoo, I don't take a multi, but occasionally take an iron
pill, just because I don't eat as much red meat as many people and
there is some family history of anemia (my father).

Do you have a blood test with your yearly checkup? Low iron is better
for longevity than high iron! If your ferritin and haemoglobin levels
are okay, you may not even need the iron (you'd be suprised how much
food is 'iron fortified' or 'iron enriched' in the western world. There
are very few breakfast cereals that I can eat because of this!

Quoted message said:

The one "nasty
side effect" I noticed right away was constipation, an effect whose
cause I'm a bit curious about. That is, I'm wondering if the
constipation itself is a signal that iron was low, so the gut slows
down to help absorb more of it.

Lots of people get constipated with iron pills. It's not a sign of low
iron :-)

Quoted message said:

Another side effect is darkened
stool, which I presume to be unabsorbed iron that gets passed.

My habit now is to just take a time-released iron supplement (SloFe)
maybe once a week, or when I remember.

-----------
Proton Soup

"And all this peace has been deceiving,
I need some wind to get me sailing"

--
spammage trappage: replace fishies_ with yahoo

I'm going to die rather sooner than I'd like. I tried to protect my
neighbours from crime, and became the victim of it. Complications in
hospital following this resulted in a serious illness. I now need a bone
marrow transplant. Many people around the world are waiting for a marrow
transplant, too. Please volunteer to be a marrow donor:
http://www.abmdr.org.au/
http://www.marrow.org/

David Cohen said:

Excellent. Only the second of the month, and you're already wrong.
Supplemental iron should NEVER be consumed by men or post-menopausal
women, unless they have a documented iron deficiency.

I am soooo wrong with my previous post & the whole vitamin industry is
also soooo wrong (just because arrogant David said so)when mutivitamins
with added iron are marketed in mens formulas. Do a random search
online from Centrum to other vitamin makers to see how many are wrong
according to David. Yes, the *average* man can easily reach their
daily iron needs thru their higher caloric intake than women, but the
OP was on a calorie restricted diet, and exercising intensely which
warrants the addition of the *RDA of 18%* iron in his daily vitamin.

<<joni>>

David Cohen said:

This is one of the reasons pre-menopausal women have a lower
incidence of cardiac disease than men: you bleed, monthly,
reducing your iron stores.

As usual you're shooting your mouth off again David .. monthly flow has
absolutley nothing to do with preventing a heart attack (but everything
to do with why alot of women chronic anemia related to bloodloss).

"A woman is more vulnerable to sudden, serious heart disease during the
time of the menstrual cycle when her estrogen levels are at their
lowest, according to a study presented November 14, 2000, at the
American Heart Association's Scientific Sessions 2000. Researchers also
found that other health risks only worsen the odds for heart disease in
premenopausal women." http://tinyurl.com/3ohgj

"Although coronary artery disease is the *leading killer of
premenopausal women* taking even more lives than breast cancer does,
most studies have focused on heart disease in older women. Our findings
demonstrate for the first time that young women with low blood estrogen
levels have a significantly greater prevalence of coronary artery
disease."
http://www.scienceblog.com/community/article938.html

<<joni>>

"joni" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

David Cohen said:

Excellent. Only the second of the month, and you're already wrong.
Supplemental iron should NEVER be consumed by men or post-menopausal
women, unless they have a documented iron deficiency.

I am soooo wrong with my previous post & the whole vitamin industry is
also soooo wrong (just because arrogant David said so)when mutivitamins
with added iron are marketed in mens formulas. Do a random search
online from Centrum to other vitamin makers to see how many are wrong
according to David. Yes, the *average* man can easily reach their
daily iron needs thru their higher caloric intake than women, but the
OP was on a calorie restricted diet, and exercising intensely which
warrants the addition of the *RDA of 18%* iron in his daily vitamin.

No. It doesn't.

You don't get extra credit for repeating or expanding on an individual
wrongness. You only get points for each different one.

I'm not worried. I have faith in your ability to amass an ENORMOUS number.

<<david>>

"joni" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

David Cohen said:

This is one of the reasons pre-menopausal women have a lower
incidence of cardiac disease than men: you bleed, monthly,
reducing your iron stores.

As usual you're shooting your mouth off again David .. monthly flow has
absolutley nothing to do with preventing a heart attack (but everything
to do with why alot of women chronic anemia related to bloodloss).

You are...what's the word...say it with me...wrong. The reasons for lower
heart disease in premenopausal women than in men are many. Which is why I
said, "one of the reasons", noting the "one".

Your pride in your ignorance is a serious character flaw. But you make up
for it with all of your natural charm.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAhahahahahaha.

<<david>>

"joni" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

The Spungonator said:

I was all excited about buying Multi-Pro 32X since it's new
in Canada, but quickly decided not to after seeing how much
damn iron is in these little buggers. 18 mg! Most multis only
have 4 mg. According to some of the web sites I visited about
excess iron, very little is lost from the body (hair, blood,
dead skin?) and there are some pretty nasty side effects
from having too much iron in your system.
Most sites said 10 was the safe limit, 18 seemed ridiculous.
Anyone know if/how harmfull 18mg of iron per day would be? Thanks.

Nutrition reference label for AST MultiPro32x:
http://www.netrition.com/ast_multi_pro_page.html

What are your needs? Dieting? Intense exercise? Marathon?
It may vary ...

Quoted message said:

From Supplement Watch: http://tinyurl.com/6btje

"Endurance athletes, in particular seem to be at risk of becoming iron
deficient due to an imbalance between absorption of dietary iron and
exercise-induced iron loss. The majority of men, but not women, appear
to achieve the recommended dietary intake of iron (10 to 15 mg/day).
<<snip>> Athletes engaged in heavy training almost certainly have an
elevated iron requirement due to inadequate intake and excessive losses
<<snip>> The Daily Value for iron is 18mg per day. Women typically
consume about 10mg of iron each day and men get closer to 15-20 mg."

Quoted message said:

From WholeHealthMD: http://tinyurl.com/3jv3n

"Doses of iron higher than the tolerable upper daily intake level (UL)
of *45 mg* can cause nausea, vomiting, and constipation. Very high
doses can be fatal"

Note that on your vitamin brand label that 18mg is 100% of your RDA,
and you need to take two a day. So you may as well finish off the
bottle you have now and buy a different brand next time if this worrys
you. You certainly wont keel over or develop hemachromatosis just from
a bit more than a months supply.

I didn't buy it because of the amount of iron so luckily, I won't have to
finish a whole bottle.

"The Spungonator" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

"joni" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

The Spungonator said:

I was all excited about buying Multi-Pro 32X since it's new
in Canada, but quickly decided not to after seeing how much
damn iron is in these little buggers. 18 mg! Most multis only
have 4 mg. According to some of the web sites I visited about
excess iron, very little is lost from the body (hair, blood,
dead skin?) and there are some pretty nasty side effects
from having too much iron in your system.
Most sites said 10 was the safe limit, 18 seemed ridiculous.
Anyone know if/how harmfull 18mg of iron per day would be? Thanks.

Nutrition reference label for AST MultiPro32x:
http://www.netrition.com/ast_multi_pro_page.html

What are your needs? Dieting? Intense exercise? Marathon?
It may vary ...

Quoted message said:

From Supplement Watch: http://tinyurl.com/6btje

"Endurance athletes, in particular seem to be at risk of becoming iron
deficient due to an imbalance between absorption of dietary iron and
exercise-induced iron loss. The majority of men, but not women, appear
to achieve the recommended dietary intake of iron (10 to 15 mg/day).
<<snip>> Athletes engaged in heavy training almost certainly have an
elevated iron requirement due to inadequate intake and excessive losses
<<snip>> The Daily Value for iron is 18mg per day. Women typically
consume about 10mg of iron each day and men get closer to 15-20 mg."

Quoted message said:

From WholeHealthMD: http://tinyurl.com/3jv3n

"Doses of iron higher than the tolerable upper daily intake level (UL)
of *45 mg* can cause nausea, vomiting, and constipation. Very high
doses can be fatal"

Note that on your vitamin brand label that 18mg is 100% of your RDA,
and you need to take two a day. So you may as well finish off the
bottle you have now and buy a different brand next time if this worrys
you. You certainly wont keel over or develop hemachromatosis just from
a bit more than a months supply.

I didn't buy it because of the amount of iron so luckily, I won't have to
finish a whole bottle.

We can get multis here with zero iron

David Cohen said:

You are...what's the word...say it with me...wrong.
The reasons for lower heart disease in premenopausal
women than in men are many. Which is why I
said, "one of the reasons", noting the "one".

You are .. say it with me .. a retarded ass ...
Your reading comprehension skills need some remedial work.
Heart disease is the number one killer of premenopausal women with more
women overall dying of heart disease than men. Not 'lower' but higher.

<<joni>>

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The Spungonator wrote:
> I was all excited about buying Multi-Pro 32X since it's new
> in Canada, but quickly decided not to after seeing how much
> damn iron is in these little buggers. 18 mg! Most multis only
> have 4 mg. According to some of the web sites I visited about
> excess iron, very little is lost from the body (hair, blood,
> dead skin?) and there are some pretty nasty side effects
> from having too much iron in your system.
> Most sites said 10 was the safe limit, 18 seemed ridiculous.
> Anyone know if/how harmfull 18mg of iron per day would be? Thanks.

Nutrition reference label for AST MultiPro32x:
http://www.netrition.com/ast_multi_pro_page.html

What are your needs? Dieting? Intense exercise? Marathon?
It may vary ...

>From Supplement Watch: http://tinyurl.com/6btje
"Endurance athletes, in particular seem to be at risk of becoming iron
deficient due to an imbalance between absorption of dietary iron and
exercise-induced iron loss. The majority of men, but not women, appear
to achieve the recommended dietary intake of iron (10 to 15 mg/day).
<<snip>> Athletes engaged in heavy training almost certainly have an
elevated iron requirement due to inadequate intake and excessive losses
<<snip>> The Daily Value for iron is 18mg per day. Women typically
consume about 10mg of iron each day and men get closer to 15-20 mg."

>From WholeHealthMD: http://tinyurl.com/3jv3n
"Doses of iron higher than the tolerable upper daily intake level (UL)
of *45 mg* can cause nausea, vomiting, and constipation. Very high
doses can be fatal"

Note that on your vitamin brand label that 18mg is 100% of your RDA,
and you need to take two a day. So you may as well finish off the
bottle you have now and buy a different brand next time if this worrys
you. You certainly wont keel over or develop hemachromatosis just from
a bit more than a months supply.

I didn't buy it because of the amount of iron so luckily, I won't have to
finish a whole bottle.

We can get multis here with zero iron

I know, so can we in Canada. I assume so anyway. The thing is that I wanted
to try out Multi-Pro 32X. Just as an aside, the best place on earth to buy
vitamins has to be Wal-Mart. Brands that sell for $19.99 in places like
pharmacies or nutrition stores sell for $13.00 at Wal-Mart.

"joni" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

David Cohen said:

You are...what's the word...say it with me...wrong.
The reasons for lower heart disease in premenopausal
women than in men are many. Which is why I
said, "one of the reasons", noting the "one".

You are .. say it with me .. a retarded ass ...
Your reading comprehension skills need some remedial work.
Heart disease is the number one killer of premenopausal women with more
women overall dying of heart disease than men. Not 'lower' but higher.

I wrote "heart disease", as in "presense of". You are writing about "dying
of heart disease", as in "dying". "Presense", "dying", see how those are
spelled differently?

Heart disease "kills", as in "dying', more women because of many factors
unrelated to the prevalence, as in "presense", of the disease among the
selected population...factors involving awareness, physician attitudes,
anatomical differences in the cardiovascular systems of both sexes, lack of
study of various medications and surgical procedures on women, etcetera.

Say it loud, say it proud: I wee Todd did, I sofa king wee Todd did.

<<david>>

The Spungonator said:

I was all excited about buying Multi-Pro
32X since it's new in Canada, but quickly
decided not to after seeing how much damn
iron is in these little buggers. 18 mg!

[snip]

Quoted message said:

Anyone know if/how harmfull 18mg of iron
per day would be? Thanks.

Yet another reason for men to donate blood!

--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/

On 2005-04-02, David Cohen penned:

Quoted message said:

Supplemental iron should NEVER be consumed by men or post-menopausal women,
unless they have a documented iron deficiency. Iron is directly linked to
increased heart disease. This is one of the reasons pre-menopausal women
have a lower incidence of cardiac disease than men: you bleed, monthly,
reducing your iron stores.

Unless, of course, the pre-menopausal woman is taking a form of hormonal birth
control that stops her bleeding. I didn't have a period for years on Depo.
That part was rather nice.

Unfortunately, a lot of studies about women's health don't identify whether
their results were directly related to whether or not you bleed, so ... it
gets really frustrating when you read some important health study and don't
even know if it applies or not.

--
monique

joni said:

David Cohen said:

You are...what's the word...say it with me...wrong.
The reasons for lower heart disease in premenopausal
women than in men are many. Which is why I
said, "one of the reasons", noting the "one".

You are .. say it with me .. a retarded ass ...
Your reading comprehension skills need some remedial work.
Heart disease is the number one killer of premenopausal women with more
women overall dying of heart disease than men. Not 'lower' but higher.

<<joni>>

All the more reason not to have excess iron in your blood, you
blithering idiot.

--
spammage trappage: replace fishies_ with yahoo

I'm going to die rather sooner than I'd like. I tried to protect my
neighbours from crime, and became the victim of it. Complications in
hospital following this resulted in a serious illness. I now need a bone
marrow transplant. Many people around the world are waiting for a marrow
transplant, too. Please volunteer to be a marrow donor:
http://www.abmdr.org.au/
http://www.marrow.org/

Curt James said:

The Spungonator said:

I was all excited about buying Multi-Pro
32X since it's new in Canada, but quickly
decided not to after seeing how much damn
iron is in these little buggers. 18 mg!

[snip]

Quoted message said:

Anyone know if/how harmfull 18mg of iron
per day would be? Thanks.

Yet another reason for men to donate blood!

What? As if keeping this little vampire alive wasn't enough reason? :-)

--
spammage trappage: replace fishies_ with yahoo

I'm going to die rather sooner than I'd like. I tried to protect my
neighbours from crime, and became the victim of it. Complications in
hospital following this resulted in a serious illness. I now need a bone
marrow transplant. Many people around the world are waiting for a marrow
transplant, too. Please volunteer to be a marrow donor:
http://www.abmdr.org.au/
http://www.marrow.org/