Too much cardio?

"JL" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Is it possible to do too much cardio when trying to lose weight?

I'm 31, 6' and 225 lbs. My goal is to get down to 190 by doing cardio,
a few weights, and following the zone diet and around 1800-2000
calories a day. I eat 5 small meals, drink a ton of water, and have a
cheat meal once a week, on my off day from running. This approach has
worked for me in the past when I went from 260 down to 205. Now I'm
back up to 225 and want to get the weight back down.

Anyway, I'm jogging first thing in the morning for 20-25 minutes, six
days a week. My goal is to build up to 30 minutes each day by adding
10% more time each week. My avg HR is in the high 160s during my runs.

Three nights a week I'm doing a few weights - Sunday is pushups,
incline flys, upright rows and shoulder shrugs. Tuesday is curls and
triceps. Thursday is squats, deadlifts, and lunges. All of these are
with pretty low weight, 3 sets of 10 reps. I'm not trying to bulk,
just maintain.

I'm having mixed results my overall weight - it's dropping, but very
slowly, less than 2 lbs per week. I'm wondering if I need to A: drop a
day of running so my body has more time to recover or B: run slower and
longer, keeping my avg HR in the 150s during my runs. Or C: lift more
often, and at higher intensity.

Any advice would be appreciated!

Matt

First off, if you're set on running (which is my guess), there are running
newsgroups that would be better suited for your questions.

Second, your mistake is using running for weight loss and control. But you
most likely don't want to hear what we would have to say, so I'll save my
time telling you. Good luck with that roller coaster thing.

-Larry

JL said:

I'm having mixed results my overall weight - it's dropping, but very
slowly, less than 2 lbs per week. I'm wondering if I need to A: drop a
day of running so my body has more time to recover or B: run slower and
longer, keeping my avg HR in the 150s during my runs. Or C: lift more
often, and at higher intensity.

For weight loss an hour a day is minimum. You will lose weight with
less, but an hour a day of running is optimum.

Lots of hodge-podge even in the well intended advices.

You have to realize that cardio is for improving/maintaining your
cardio-vascular system. Only past timers think aerobic type exercises are
for weight loss but what they really understand is fat loss. In reality the
weight loss from cardio is actually muscle loss.

Aerobic type exercises = fast burning = loss of muscle
Slow burning = fat burning = loss of grease

Do not go back to dinosaur age, and accept all untrue gym myths like "no
pain no gain" stupidity. (Pain, that is lactose accumulation in the muscles
rather inhibiting muscle activity than signal of muscle growth)

Want loosing fat, make slow, fat burning cycles in your exercise like power
swimming. Search in Google "slow burning exercises" if you want to consider
applying up to date methods. And first and foremost do not want to loose
weight. Loose rather fat. That is transform fat to muscle!!!
And as a secondary benefit, improved muscle mass helps to burn even more
fat. Do not use the scale, use the waist measuring ribbon. 1/16" - 1/8" -
1/4" loss a week can be achieved depending on brain power, genetics, and
diligence.

"JL" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Is it possible to do too much cardio when trying to lose weight?

I'm 31, 6' and 225 lbs. My goal is to get down to 190 by doing cardio,
a few weights, and following the zone diet and around 1800-2000
calories a day. I eat 5 small meals, drink a ton of water, and have a
cheat meal once a week, on my off day from running. This approach has
worked for me in the past when I went from 260 down to 205. Now I'm
back up to 225 and want to get the weight back down.

Anyway, I'm jogging first thing in the morning for 20-25 minutes, six
days a week. My goal is to build up to 30 minutes each day by adding
10% more time each week. My avg HR is in the high 160s during my runs.

Three nights a week I'm doing a few weights - Sunday is pushups,
incline flys, upright rows and shoulder shrugs. Tuesday is curls and
triceps. Thursday is squats, deadlifts, and lunges. All of these are
with pretty low weight, 3 sets of 10 reps. I'm not trying to bulk,
just maintain.

I'm having mixed results my overall weight - it's dropping, but very
slowly, less than 2 lbs per week. I'm wondering if I need to A: drop a
day of running so my body has more time to recover or B: run slower and
longer, keeping my avg HR in the 150s during my runs. Or C: lift more
often, and at higher intensity.

Any advice would be appreciated!

Matt

savanfort said:

Want loosing fat, make slow, fat burning cycles in your exercise like power
swimming.

Swimming has been shown in numerous studies to be one of the least
effective exercises for fat loss. Some of the studies have noted that
swimming in cool water increases appetite to greater degree than other
exercises for a given expenditure of calories. Increased appetite
usually translates into eating more.

Not that I have anything against swimming. I go through periods where I
swim 5+ times per week but not for fat loss.

Stephen N.

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Quoted message said:

savanfort said:

Want loosing fat, make slow, fat burning cycles in your exercise like
power swimming.

Swimming has been shown in numerous studies to be one of the least
effective exercises for fat loss. Some of the studies have noted that
swimming in cool water increases appetite to greater degree than other
exercises for a given expenditure of calories. Increased appetite usually
translates into eating more.

Not that I have anything against swimming. I go through periods where I
swim 5+ times per week but not for fat loss.

Indeed. There's an adaptative advantage to carrying some subcutaneous fat if
you spend a lot of time in chilly water.

Ranieri said:

"Stephen N." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

savanfort said:

Want loosing fat, make slow, fat burning cycles in your exercise like
power swimming.

Swimming has been shown in numerous studies to be one of the least
effective exercises for fat loss. Some of the studies have noted that
swimming in cool water increases appetite to greater degree than other
exercises for a given expenditure of calories. Increased appetite usually
translates into eating more.

Not that I have anything against swimming. I go through periods where I
swim 5+ times per week but not for fat loss.

Indeed. There's an adaptative advantage to carrying some subcutaneous fat if
you spend a lot of time in chilly water.

Yep, and fatter people float better. I know some amazing open ocean
swimmers that are more than a little round. The fat helps with
floatation and insulation in the chilly local northwest waters.

Normally, I have to keep swimming or I sink but I spent two months in on
the Mediterranean last fall and I could not believe how well I floated.
I could stand up straight, without moving a muscle and my entire head
would be above water. Must be a hell of a lot more salty than around
these parts.

Stephen N.

Stephen N. said:

Ranieri said:

"Stephen N." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

savanfort wrote:

>Want loosing fat, make slow, fat burning cycles in your exercise like
>power swimming.

Swimming has been shown in numerous studies to be one of the least
effective exercises for fat loss. Some of the studies have noted that
swimming in cool water increases appetite to greater degree than other
exercises for a given expenditure of calories. Increased appetite usually
translates into eating more.

Not that I have anything against swimming. I go through periods where I
swim 5+ times per week but not for fat loss.

Indeed. There's an adaptative advantage to carrying some subcutaneous fat if
you spend a lot of time in chilly water.

Yep, and fatter people float better. I know some amazing open ocean
swimmers that are more than a little round. The fat helps with
floatation and insulation in the chilly local northwest waters.

It's more than just insulation. Leptin expression from the adipose
tissue improves cold tolerance. Really.

Fat man bathing in cold (ocean) water and slow burning cycle is somewhat
different to me. Like whales compared to swimming athletes.
The example was well chosen, even in that sport possible to achieve fat
transformation to muscle. Of course, who never did it could not imagine it.
And all of the stupid [censored] who do not know what does it mean power
swimming start to speak some cold water phenomena because it rings some bell
in their twisted mind.

"savanfort" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Lots of hodge-podge even in the well intended advices.

You have to realize that cardio is for improving/maintaining your
cardio-vascular system. Only past timers think aerobic type exercises are
for weight loss but what they really understand is fat loss. In reality
the weight loss from cardio is actually muscle loss.

Aerobic type exercises = fast burning = loss of muscle
Slow burning = fat burning = loss of grease

Do not go back to dinosaur age, and accept all untrue gym myths like "no
pain no gain" stupidity. (Pain, that is lactose accumulation in the
muscles rather inhibiting muscle activity than signal of muscle growth)

Want loosing fat, make slow, fat burning cycles in your exercise like
power swimming. Search in Google "slow burning exercises" if you want to
consider applying up to date methods. And first and foremost do not want
to loose weight. Loose rather fat. That is transform fat to muscle!!!
And as a secondary benefit, improved muscle mass helps to burn even more
fat. Do not use the scale, use the waist measuring ribbon. 1/16" - 1/8" -
1/4" loss a week can be achieved depending on brain power, genetics, and
diligence.

"JL" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Is it possible to do too much cardio when trying to lose weight?

I'm 31, 6' and 225 lbs. My goal is to get down to 190 by doing cardio,
a few weights, and following the zone diet and around 1800-2000
calories a day. I eat 5 small meals, drink a ton of water, and have a
cheat meal once a week, on my off day from running. This approach has
worked for me in the past when I went from 260 down to 205. Now I'm
back up to 225 and want to get the weight back down.

Anyway, I'm jogging first thing in the morning for 20-25 minutes, six
days a week. My goal is to build up to 30 minutes each day by adding
10% more time each week. My avg HR is in the high 160s during my runs.

Three nights a week I'm doing a few weights - Sunday is pushups,
incline flys, upright rows and shoulder shrugs. Tuesday is curls and
triceps. Thursday is squats, deadlifts, and lunges. All of these are
with pretty low weight, 3 sets of 10 reps. I'm not trying to bulk,
just maintain.

I'm having mixed results my overall weight - it's dropping, but very
slowly, less than 2 lbs per week. I'm wondering if I need to A: drop a
day of running so my body has more time to recover or B: run slower and
longer, keeping my avg HR in the 150s during my runs. Or C: lift more
often, and at higher intensity.

Any advice would be appreciated!

Matt

For diet recommendation in case of any disease you can use this link..
http://www.medical-health-care-information.com/

In this you can find Food Pyramid i.e. how much you should eat, calorie
table from which you can find the total amount of calories in you food,
anyone can check there Body Mass Index (BMI), if you are suffering from
any problem then you can check out symptoms in Symptom checker and many
more information are available in this website.

I also found a link containing full information regarding weight loss.
It contain tips that may help you lose weight and keep it off. like
diet plan, fibers, meals exercise etc necessary to lose weight.
Just check out the link;-
http://www.epsdrugstore.com/weight-loss.htm

For diet recommendation in case of any disease you can use this link..
http://www.medical-health-care-information.com/

In this you can find Food Pyramid i.e. how much you should eat, calorie
table from which you can find the total amount of calories in you food,
anyone can check there Body Mass Index (BMI), if you are suffering from
any problem then you can check out symptoms in Symptom checker and many
more information are available in this website.

I also found a link containing full information regarding weight loss.
It contain tips that may help you lose weight and keep it off. like
diet plan, fibers, meals exercise etc necessary to lose weight.
Just check out the link;-
http://www.epsdrugstore.com/weight-loss.htm

For diet recommendation in case of any disease you can use this link..
http://www.medical-health-care-information.com/

In this you can find Food Pyramid i.e. how much you should eat, calorie
table from which you can find the total amount of calories in you food,
anyone can check there Body Mass Index (BMI), if you are suffering from
any problem then you can check out symptoms in Symptom checker and many
more information are available in this website.

I also found a link containing full information regarding weight loss.
It contain tips that may help you lose weight and keep it off. like
diet plan, fibers, meals exercise etc necessary to lose weight.
Just check out the link;-
http://www.epsdrugstore.com/weight-loss.htm

For diet recommendation in case of any disease you can use this link..
http://www.medical-health-care-information.com/

In this you can find Food Pyramid i.e. how much you should eat, calorie
table from which you can find the total amount of calories in you food,
anyone can check there Body Mass Index (BMI), if you are suffering from
any problem then you can check out symptoms in Symptom checker and many
more information are available in this website.

I also found a link containing full information regarding weight loss.
It contain tips that may help you lose weight and keep it off. like
diet plan, fibers, meals exercise etc necessary to lose weight.
Just check out the link;-
http://www.epsdrugstore.com/weight-loss.htm

"Or C: lift more
often, and at higher intensity."

You can lose the cardio altogether:

http://bodybuilding.home.insightbb.com/trainingarticles/arthurjonesaerobics/index.htm
http://www.mikementzer.com/aerobic.html

Quoted message said:

For diet recommendation in case of any disease you can use this link..
http://www.medical-health-care-information.com/

Oh yeah, this works. My buddy had lung cancer, AIDS, hepatitis,
uromysitisis, genital warts, multiple sclerosis, muscular dystrophy,
and ADD, and 15 minutes after going on this diet, everything was
cured.

"savanfort" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Fat man bathing in cold (ocean) water and slow burning cycle is somewhat
different to me. Like whales compared to swimming athletes.
The example was well chosen, even in that sport possible to achieve fat
transformation to muscle.

Keep talking, dumbass! You're a great source of amusement.