TomB WINS!!!!!!! Wow!

LSmith said:

AP- God's Country Marathon

.....From a competitive standpoint, the big winner was 40-year-old
Thomas Banchy of Baltimore, Md., the only runner to crack the three-
hour mark. Banchy crossed the finish line at the courthouse square in
Coudersport at 2:49.41, more than 12 minutes ahead of the runner-up.

Banchy was stunned by his margin of victory.

"Every time I looked back, all I could see was a runner with black
shorts right on my tail," Banchy said. "Down the stretch, I just quit
turning around and ran as if he was still there."

Pushing Banchy for the first 20 miles was three-time God's Country
Marathon winner and defending champion Tom Lipsie of Indiana, Pa., who
fell victim to the high heat and humidity about three-quarters of the
way into the race. Lipsie faded to a fifth place finish at 3:07.0.
_

I've given "the business" to TomB a few times, all good fun, however
hats off and major props - respect and applause to TomB!
Congratulations - Great Job!

Lance

Thanks Lance (if you're pulling my chain here, then good work mate,
you got me). I've been off the grid all weekend and just getting
around to phone messages, email, etc. A whole weekend with no cell
phone coverage and no internet!

OK, so I read that press blurb above and thought "WTF?". I "knew" it
was phony because I never said anything even remotely like that
quote. So I just did a quick search and sure enough found it in the
online version of _The Bradford Era_.

HA! That really is funny!! I wonder who came up with that. I did
answer a few questions afterward, stuff like how many marathons was
this, what was your fastest, what did you think of the course, etc. I
remember passing last year's winner on the big hill at mile 15-18, but
I definitely never looked back after that point, just tried to press
on the the finish. It was a nice little bit of psychological torture
to add into the mix of heat and hills.

OK, here's a factoid for Dan: I checked the weather after I got back.
It was 66 F with a dewpoint of 60 at the start. And when I finished,
it was 77, with a dewpoint of 61. Blazing hot sun in a cloudless sky
the whole time. Ugh. I looked like a real Fred carrying that bottle,
but it must have helped some. I started with a mostly-full bottle,
refilled the empty at mile 8, then 14, then 18, then 22, and then it
was empty at the finish. Each refill was probably around 16 oz. It
would have been tough to get that much out of the cups on the course.

"Tom B." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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| OK, so I read that press blurb above and thought "WTF?". I "knew" it
| was phony because I never said anything even remotely like that
| quote.

Didn't you also say that you are the fastest wreck.runner? 🙂
Congratulations TomB, fantastic effort on a hot day!
Is this your first 'first place' finish? how does it feel to be # Uno?

"Tom B." <[email hidden]> wrote

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.....From a competitive standpoint, the big winner was 40-year-old
Thomas Banchy of Baltimore, Md., the only runner to crack the three-
hour mark. Banchy crossed the finish line at the courthouse square in
Coudersport at 2:49.41, more than 12 minutes ahead of the runner-up.

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I remember passing last year's winner on the big hill at mile 15-18, but
I definitely never looked back after that point, just tried to press
on the the finish. It was a nice little bit of psychological torture
to add into the mix of heat and hills.

Appropos last week's discussion on race effort on uphills, how hard did you
run that? Really go to the mat to break him? Or just comfortably hard.

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OK, here's a factoid for Dan: I checked the weather after I got back.
It was 66 F with a dewpoint of 60 at the start. And when I finished,
it was 77, with a dewpoint of 61. Blazing hot sun in a cloudless sky
the whole time. Ugh. I looked like a real Fred carrying that bottle,
but it must have helped some.

Wow, great time given the conditions. Congrats! That's a nasty dew point
at those temps especially. The guy you beat was no slouch since he did a
2:50 last year; my guess is that he ran dry and overheated and/or cramped.

Quoted message said:

I started with a mostly-full bottle,
refilled the empty at mile 8, then 14, then 18, then 22, and then it
was empty at the finish. Each refill was probably around 16 oz. It
would have been tough to get that much out of the cups on the course.

Yeah, and you would have been in a hurry, making it even less likely :-)
That's why I love bottles. After the first half, you were only drinking 4
oz/mile. I need about twice that to keep cramps at bay -- I carry a 24 oz
bottle.

Did you take any salt? Did you get queasy (salt helps a lot here)? Also,
any idea of the elevation profile -- the site is so, like, pre-gps.

-- Dan

D Stumpus said:

Appropos last week's discussion on race effort on uphills, how hard did you
run that? Really go to the mat to break him? Or just comfortably hard.

Yeah that is a nice coincidence. I don't recall making any changes
from strictly running by feel at any point. But I always run uphills
hard anyway, and there was nothing comfortable about this one. It
sucked. Here's an elevation profile posted by someone in last year's
race:
http://trail.motionbased.com/trail/episode/view.mb?episodePk.pkValue=863795
(click on "elevation", and then on the graph to see the big version)

Cool! I just saw that this run log even has a record of the
temperature. The high temp was 55 F last year -- I feel like I just
got sucker punched.

Anyway, I came away from this race with 3 things that I possibly could/
should have done differently:
(1) 7:25 pace for the steep (~7%) final ~1.5 miles of the big hill may
have been too fast
(2) 1:21:30 for the first half may have been too fast
(3) may have done too much cycling the previous weekend

But then again maybe not. The marathon's a tricky thing to get just
right, and you don't get any Mulligans or do-overs. A 6.5 minute
positive split sounds kind of crummy, but that second half was damn
hard, and it just kept getting hotter.

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Wow, great time given the conditions. Congrats! That's a nasty dew point
at those temps especially. The guy you beat was no slouch since he did a
2:50 last year; my guess is that he ran dry and overheated and/or cramped.

Well now we know a little more about last year, eh? But seriously
though, when I saw him at the start line (before I knew who he was), I
assumed he was out of my league. He looked fast.

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Did you take any salt? Did you get queasy (salt helps a lot here)? Also,
any idea of the elevation profile -- the site is so, like, pre-gps.

No salt tabs, but I did finish off one pack of "margarita" flavor Clif
Bloks, and I think they had double sodium. Also got some salt from my
pre-race breakfast of half a whole wheat bagel with PB.

I never felt queasy, exactly, but the last 5 miles were horrible. It
was so frickin hot. And then in the last 2 miles I started listing to
the port side. What the hell was that, anyway? I'd never had that
happen before, and I just couldn't fix it. I swear I felt like that
Swiss (?) girl in the '84 Oly marathon. Not quite like the tri girl
from the 80's, though, if you catch my drift.

I2Run said:

"Tom B." <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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| OK, so I read that press blurb above and thought "WTF?". I "knew" it
| was phony because I never said anything even remotely like that
| quote.

Didn't you also say that you are the fastest wreck.runner? 🙂

Once I finish all my "adjustments" for extreme old age, hot weather,
altitude, lunar phase, etc. -- yes, after all that I will claim my
title.

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Congratulations TomB, fantastic effort on a hot day!
Is this your first 'first place' finish? how does it feel to be # Uno?

Actually I am now 2 for 8 in the marathon (another teeny little
race). It's pretty cool. Probably good to remember that things have
changed a lot since Dan's heyday. I would have been a top 10% guy at
best.

LSmith said:

From a competitive standpoint, the big winner was 40-year-old
Thomas Banchy of Baltimore, Md., the only runner to crack the three-
hour mark. Banchy crossed the finish line at the courthouse square in
Coudersport at 2:49.41, more than 12 minutes ahead of the runner-up.

Woo-bloomin-hoo for TomB! :-)))

D Stumpus said:

Did you take any salt?

Salt caps in marathons are for sodium-challenged nancy-boy
trail-pensioners :-P

steve common said:

Woo-bloomin-hoo for TomB!

Seconded!

Though he's clearly quite alive and (out-)kicking (last year's winner)
so why's everyone trying to put Tom in a TomB?

Way to go, Tom!

Charlie Pendejo said:

steve common said:

Woo-bloomin-hoo for TomB!

Seconded!

Though he's clearly quite alive and (out-)kicking (last year's winner)
so why's everyone trying to put Tom in a TomB?

Way to go, Tom!

Thirded!

k

live! vicariously!

"Tom B." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Did you take any salt? Did you get queasy (salt helps a lot here)?
Also,
any idea of the elevation profile -- the site is so, like, pre-gps.

No salt tabs, but I did finish off one pack of "margarita" flavor Clif
Bloks, and I think they had double sodium. Also got some salt from my
pre-race breakfast of half a whole wheat bagel with PB.

I never felt queasy, exactly, but the last 5 miles were horrible. It
was so frickin hot. And then in the last 2 miles I started listing to
the port side. What the hell was that, anyway?

As Dan asked, did you take any salt? I'll take a stab from here to
suggest you needed a pinch or two and maybe you would have kept both
oars in the water and balanced. 😉

I'm glad you took the bottle regardless of how you felt it looked. Think
about it, in those conditions the jug of fluid may have been the major
factor that helped you win the race.

Great race.

-Doug

Pendy - what's up!

Friggen Tom B won the whole marathon! I love it! and he's 40 and or
a "Master" no less.....when are you joining the Masters Pendy? August
or thereabouts?....someone on this friggen ng actually won the whole
deal! I was so pleased when I scanned the marathoning news of the
weekend and came across this. I was pleasantly surprised, my first
reaction was OMFG! He won! Then I thought about what race he won,
what I just thought and said "oh [censored]"! Am I now going straight to
hell? Whaddaya think Pendy?

Doug Freese said:

"Tom B." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Did you take any salt? Did you get queasy (salt helps a lot here)?
Also,
any idea of the elevation profile -- the site is so, like, pre-gps.

No salt tabs, but I did finish off one pack of "margarita" flavor Clif
Bloks, and I think they had double sodium. Also got some salt from my
pre-race breakfast of half a whole wheat bagel with PB.

I never felt queasy, exactly, but the last 5 miles were horrible. It
was so frickin hot. And then in the last 2 miles I started listing to
the port side. What the hell was that, anyway?

As Dan asked, did you take any salt? I'll take a stab from here to
suggest you needed a pinch or two and maybe you would have kept both
oars in the water and balanced. 😉

I'm glad you took the bottle regardless of how you felt it looked. Think
about it, in those conditions the jug of fluid may have been the major
factor that helped you win the race.

Great race.

-Doug

I'll piggyback - did you just drink the water from your bottle or did
you have a cup or two on the course in addition? Just curious.

Congrats on a great race and the win, especially considering the heat.

jobs

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"D Stumpus" <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Did you take any salt?

Quoted message said:

Salt caps in marathons are for sodium-challenged nancy-boy
trail-pensioners :-P

Precisely.

"Tom B." <[email hidden]> wrote

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Actually I am now 2 for 8 in the marathon (another teeny little
race). It's pretty cool. Probably good to remember that things have
changed a lot since Dan's heyday. I would have been a top 10% guy at
best.

Nah, you'd have been a top 5% even in the Gilded Age.

lance said:

Friggen Tom B won the whole marathon! [...]
Whaddaya think Pendy?

Allz I know is, those of us wreck.runners who have won races outright
in 2007 are proud to welcome Tom into our little club. I think he
automatically becomes secretary-general.

Way to go Tom!

Nice one!

Are you tempted to try a flat, fast marathon in cool weather
to see what you can do time-wise?

Anthony.

Charlie Pendejo said:

Allz I know is, those of us wreck.runners who have won races outright
in 2007 are proud to welcome Tom into our little club. I think he
automatically becomes secretary-general.

I thought that secretary was a girl's job. Tom can be the general,
but I wanna be the secretary.

Karen

live! vicariously!

"Anthony" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Way to go Tom!

Nice one!

Are you tempted to try a flat, fast marathon in cool weather
to see what you can do time-wise?

Anthony.

Nah then he'd be taking himself too seriously. I await his crack at the JFK
50 miler 😉

BTW, gutsy effort in warm stuff Tom, congrats. I noted your very long bike
outing the weekend before. That would certainly have affected me, but then
again, your 7 hrs of biking week in, week out, means you're perhaps better
prepared for long bike rides than for marathons.

-Tony

Doug said:

Pendejo said:

Allz I know is, those of us wreck.runners who have won races
outright in 2007 are proud to welcome Tom into our little club.
I think he automatically becomes secretary-general.

Since he is a master AND overall winner he deserves both president
and veep. [...] Give Lance one of the jobs.

Nah, having read Karen's persuasive argument:

Karen = seckaterry
Tom = Major

We're not expecting our man lance to qualify this year; no job for
him. He'll probably picket outside our meetings on the grounds that
we cherry-picked weak races.

Who else? Did steve win something this year? There was a 3 hour
something or other, right, or was that 06? I forget.

steve, if you're in, what position do you want? Bartender is open.