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  1. "Tom Kunich" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<eIdnd.2490

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    OK Bill, since you've obviously seen the test results and since she


    had been

    Quoted message said:

    tested just before and just after the positive test and the half life of
    nandrolone in the human body is known you will be able to tell us the
    maximum dosage that she could have taken to return the results that were
    shown. And you'll also be able to judge the theraputic effect of that


    dose.

    Quoted message said:


    Those stupid jerks on the Court of Arbitration would NEVER be able to


    figure

    Quoted message said:

    something like that one out but luckily for us we have Ladien to give


    us the

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    straight skinny.

    -------

    Tom,

    Strict liability rules in the WADA code mean that the ONLY thing WADA
    has to prove is that the substance is in an athlete's body above a
    certain cutoff limit. They don't have to do any analysis like you state
    and, as a matter of fact, they are not allowed to do any such analysis.

    Second, your analysis is faulty. I could explain, but I don't feel like
    it right now.

    Third, the cutoff limits WERE designed to detect therapeutic usage.

    Fourth, you are implying that Amber's test was administered to her when
    her 19-norandrosterone level was at maximum concentration. It most
    likely was not. What you are saying is that someone who tests .04 on a
    BAC was NEVER higher (i.e. .10 or above). You can't say that, dodo bird.

    The "stupid jerks" on the CAS are suppose to enforce the federation
    rules (UCI). They are not allowed to change them. Amber was positive
    under UCI rules. They did the right thing.

    The CAS did make a mistake in Amber's case: it failed to enforce Article
    151 and 152, which would have tacked an extra 3 months onto her 6 month
    suspension. So they were stupid in that respect.

    Would you prefer a CAS that makes up their own rules?

    You are a bit confused about how the whole drug thing work, no?

    Magilla

  2. "MagillaGorilla" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Tom Kunich" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<eIdnd.2490

    Quoted message said:


    OK Bill, since you've obviously seen the test results and since she


    had been

    Quoted message said:

    tested just before and just after the positive test and the half life of
    nandrolone in the human body is known you will be able to tell us the
    maximum dosage that she could have taken to return the results that were
    shown. And you'll also be able to judge the theraputic effect of that
    dose.

    Those stupid jerks on the Court of Arbitration would NEVER be able to
    figure something like that one out but luckily for us we have Ladien to
    give us the straight skinny.

    Strict liability rules in the WADA code mean that the ONLY thing WADA has
    to prove is that the substance is in an athlete's body above a certain
    cutoff limit. They don't have to do any analysis like you state and, as a
    matter of fact, they are not allowed to do any such analysis.

    Having trouble understanding what we're talking about? Here's a clue - we
    weren't talking about guilt but whether it appeared to be purposeful or not
    which has a bearing on the penalty.

    Quoted message said:

    Second, your analysis is faulty. I could explain, but I don't feel like it
    right now.

    Probably because you have such a weak mind to go with that puny little weak
    body.

    BTW if you don't understand what I'm discussing as your message plainly
    implies, just don't post anything rather than making yourself look even
    dumber than the rest of us think you are.

  3. Tom Kunich said:

    "MagillaGorilla" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Tom Kunich" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<eIdnd.2490

    Quoted message said:

    OK Bill, since you've obviously seen the test results and since she

    had been

    Quoted message said:

    tested just before and just after the positive test and the half life of
    nandrolone in the human body is known you will be able to tell us the
    maximum dosage that she could have taken to return the results that were
    shown. And you'll also be able to judge the theraputic effect of that
    dose.

    Those stupid jerks on the Court of Arbitration would NEVER be able to
    figure something like that one out but luckily for us we have Ladien to
    give us the straight skinny.

    Strict liability rules in the WADA code mean that the ONLY thing WADA has
    to prove is that the substance is in an athlete's body above a certain
    cutoff limit. They don't have to do any analysis like you state and, as a
    matter of fact, they are not allowed to do any such analysis.

    Having trouble understanding what we're talking about? Here's a clue - we
    weren't talking about guilt but whether it appeared to be purposeful or not
    which has a bearing on the penalty.


    <snip>

    Dumbass,

    Yes, I actually do have a clue. The standard penalty for a positive
    doping test under strict liability provisions in a UCI race is from 5
    months to 2 years. Amber got a minimum (6 months). So they took that
    into account when it came to the penalty phase. If they thought it was
    intentional doping, they would have given her 2 years.

    However, it should have been 9 months because of Article 151-153, but
    the CAS made a mistake in its interpretation.

    How come Amber didn't return her prize money from the three races from
    which she was DQ'ed though? Answer that rocket scientist.

    Magilla

  4. Tom Kunich said:

    "MagillaGorilla" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Tom Kunich" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<eIdnd.2490

    Quoted message said:

    OK Bill, since you've obviously seen the test results and since she

    had been

    <snip>

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    Second, your analysis is faulty. I could explain, but I don't feel like it
    right now.

    Probably because you have such a weak mind to go with that puny little weak
    body.

    Ok, now that you challenged me, I will offer to explain. Tell me what
    you are disagreeing with in the CAS decision in Neben's case, and I will
    explain to you in great detail why it is you who doesn't understand the
    rules.

    I already told you in the previous post why you are wrong though. What
    am I missing, Tom?

    Magilla

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    Quoted message said:


    BTW if you don't understand what I'm discussing as your message plainly
    implies, just don't post anything rather than making yourself look even
    dumber than the rest of us think you are.

    HOLY [censored]! Pot, meet kettle. Kettle, meet pot.

    We all know that the 2 of you are the acknowledged experts about
    everything, even if you're not.

    Tom

  6. Tom Arsenault said:

    Other stupid stuff snipped...

    Quoted message said:

    BTW if you don't understand what I'm discussing as your message plainly
    implies, just don't post anything rather than making yourself look even
    dumber than the rest of us think you are.

    HOLY [censored]! Pot, meet kettle. Kettle, meet pot.

    We all know that the 2 of you are the acknowledged experts about
    everything, even if you're not.

    Tom

    Some people actually are experts in things, you know. You and the other
    Tom are not two of those people though.

    Thanks,

    Magilla

  7. MagillaGorilla <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Tom Arsenault said:

    Other stupid stuff snipped...

    Quoted message said:

    BTW if you don't understand what I'm discussing as your message plainly
    implies, just don't post anything rather than making yourself look even
    dumber than the rest of us think you are.

    HOLY [censored]! Pot, meet kettle. Kettle, meet pot.

    We all know that the 2 of you are the acknowledged experts about
    everything, even if you're not.

    Tom

    Some people actually are experts in things, you know. You and the other
    Tom are not two of those people though.

    Thanks,

    Magilla

    I do actually know that people are experts in things. It just appears
    that most of the time, neither yourself or Mr. Kunich are qualified
    to speak about what you speak about. This is not to say that you
    don't have a valid, or sometimes invalid viewpoint about things (same
    for the other Tom), but it's just well known that Tom (the other one
    and not me) is a know it all. I, on the other hand, can claim that
    I've been wrong in many instances. This is just not one of them.

    Tom

  8. Tom Arsenault wrote:

    <snip>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    Some people actually are experts in things, you know. You and the other
    Tom are not two of those people though.

    Thanks,

    Magilla

    I do actually know that people are experts in things. It just appears
    that most of the time, neither yourself or Mr. Kunich are qualified
    to speak about what you speak about. This is not to say that you
    don't have a valid, or sometimes invalid viewpoint about things (same
    for the other Tom), but it's just well known that Tom (the other one
    and not me) is a know it all. I, on the other hand, can claim that
    I've been wrong in many instances. This is just not one of them.

    Tom

    Be specific when you claim I get something wrong. Don't just come in
    here and post a generalized statement that makes some ambiguous
    reference to the past. Show me the specific posts.

    And I'll show you why you got your facts wrong.

    Magilla

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