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Tom Danielson=Doper.

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  1. In article <[email hidden]>, Amit

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    warren <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    I don't disagree with you. My points for Amit were that VO2max is only
    one of several, or a part of other abilities that may not be a
    meaningful way of defining ability at the top levels. The difference
    between a domestique (donkeys) riding in the back half of the pro
    peloton compared to the GC guys up front (race horses) is probably much
    more than a 7% difference in VO2max, and there are other measures that
    would define the relative differences, and probably better too.

    One rider at VO2max of 70 vs. 75 = 7% difference. I think the actual
    ranges are much wider.

    Warren, just to clarify. I don't disagree with the above, but the only
    data I've seen shows about a 7% increase in VO2max with EPO use, I
    don't have data about how it affects other parameters an I didn't try
    to guess.

    So my point was, if EPO raises VO2max by that amount, leaving all
    other parameters unchanged (not a realistic assumption), even that is
    a big advantage.

    I agree performance is not solely dependent on VO2max, thus two riders
    with a pretty big VO2max difference might actually be well matched.

    So, getting back to the original point. It's reasonable that EPO can
    give a rider a boost which is equivalent to turning a "donkey" into a
    "race horse" (using your definitions above).

    Okay.

    -WG

  2. "Dave H" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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    [email hidden] (crit pro) wrote in message


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    It will come out.

    Crit pro/Commander/Decanio - read this article and explore your
    motivations regarding all this doping stuff:
    http://sciencenow.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/2004/827/3

    Yeah, doping in sport is bad. I would be kind of mad if I found out
    that everyone faster than me is on drugs. However, I know it's not
    the case and I can accept my mediocrity, try and work harder but
    realize my own genetic limitations.

    I think you need to take a break for a while, regroup, calm down.
    Your ranting is undermining your legitimate cause.

    I think David Millar hit the nail on the head, when he said " Doping will
    not turn a donkey into a race horse"

    Dave

    Millar's statement only holds up if a significant number of riders
    take EPO or utilize auto-transfusions. But yes, if using product is
    just part of the job for most top guys, he's right...

    HV (UCI) says EPO can increase performance by 20%:

    bloodline.netstoryReader$3144

    and if you use Andy Coggan's power chart:

    http://www.cyclingpeakssoftware.com/powerprofiling.xls

    EPO can indeed make an excellent rider world class...and it only takes
    a couple reasonably talented guys to use product to compel others to
    do the same...or pack up and go home.

    IS Danielson a doper? Who knows. If he posts scanned copies of his
    blood parameter tests since childhood along with his SRM data, we'd
    get a pretty good picture. Maybe Lance and Tyler should do the same?
    It would clear up at least part of this speculation.

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