Toeing in

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Toeing in is confusing. Pads should touch at the front and not at the

back?

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The diagram half way down is confusing:

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If you have problems with brake squeal, then it can help to use toe-in. All this means is that the
front of the pad hits the rim before the rear of the pad. The method I use is to put a business card
between the rear half of the pad and the rim when adjusting the pad alignment. The pictures here
show a small elastic on the rear part of the pad serving the same function.

-John Morgan

John Morgan,

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If you have problems with brake squeal, then it can help to use toe-in. All this means is that the
front of the pad hits the rim before the rear of the pad. The method I use is to put a business
card between the rear half of the pad and the rim when adjusting the pad alignment. The pictures
here show a small elastic on the rear part of the pad serving the same function.

Ok I didn't know how much to toe it in. I'm having front brake problems and I have to take the wheel
out to modify it. It's a real pain and haven't been able to get it to work. A business card is all
it needs? Cool.

Thanks.

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VP said:

Hey there.

Toeing in is confusing.

It's not really...

Pads should touch at the front and not at the back?

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The diagram half way down is confusing:

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Can someone lead me to some clarity?

I can't see how that diagram is confusing, but anyway. The front section of the pads should hit
first. That is, when you look at the bike side on, it should be the sections of the pad that are
nearest to the front of the bike that touch first.

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bomba says:

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That is, when you look at the bike side on, it should be the sections of the pad that are nearest
to the front of the bike that touch first.

Or to put it another way, the pads should be toed out with respect to rotation ;-)

Steve

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bomba says:

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That is, when you look at the bike side on, it should be the sections of the pad that are nearest
to the front of the bike that touch first.

Or to put it another way, the pads should be toed out with respect to rotation ;-)

Ya'll just gotta complicate things.

Stand up, look down at yer fate, an' point yer toes in. Assuming you can see yer feet.
:-P

Or get a bike with disc brakes.

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bomba,

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I can't see how that diagram is confusing, but anyway. The front section of the pads should hit
first. That is, when you look at the bike side on, it should be the sections of the pad that are
nearest to the front of the bike that touch first.

Ok thought so. That diagram has it backwards, if that arrow has wheel rotation.

No, actually, it doesn't. While the bottom of the wheel goes towards you (like the road does), the
top goes away.

Jon Bond

VP said:

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I can't see how that diagram is confusing, but anyway. The front section of the pads should hit
first. That is, when you look at the bike side on, it should be the sections of the pad that are
nearest to the front of the bike that touch first.

Ok thought so. That diagram has it backwards, if that arrow has wheel rotation.

Um, no. Provided you're looking down on the wheel with the bike upright, then the diagram's correct.

Jon Bond <[email hidden]> spoke thusly...

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bomba,

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I can't see how that diagram is confusing, but anyway. The front section of the pads should
hit first. That is, when you look at the bike side on, it should be the sections of the pad
that are nearest to the front of the bike that touch first.

Ok thought so. That diagram has it backwards, if that arrow has wheel rotation.

No, actually, it doesn't. While the bottom of the wheel goes towards you (like the road does), the
top goes away.

Jon Bond

Ahh, but the back is just the opposite. ;-)
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VP said:

Hey there.

Toeing in is confusing. Pads should touch at the front and not at the back? The diagram half way
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Can someone lead me to some clarity?

Diagram looks fine to me. If you want clarity stop smokin' crack.

Peace, Bill The mind serves properly as a window glass rather than as a reflector, that is, the mind
should give an immediate view instead of an interpretation of the world.
:-]

Jon Bond,

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Ok thought so. That diagram has it backwards, if that arrow has wheel rotation.

No, actually, it doesn't. While the bottom of the wheel goes towards you (like the road does), the
top goes away.

If I'm riding backwards. Haven't done that since...the incident.

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Bill Wheeler,

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Diagram looks fine to me. If you want clarity stop smokin' crack.

human beings, for Crissakes?

Then you go on to say...

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Peace, Bill

You're telling ME about clarity? Yer an idiot.

Secondly, I am looking at the diagram right now. Mid way down this page:

<http://www.parktool.com/repair_help/howfix_cant.shtml>

Pad Toeing...'So the front edge strikes first'...is the 'front edge' the front of the bike, or the
front of the pad? Since I'm asking about pads, I was thinking about the pad, not the bike. I will
modify accordingly.

And in the meantime, lighten up. If you want to do mountainbiking a favour, stop pissing people off
in the newsgroups.

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Jon Bond,

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Ok thought so. That diagram has it backwards, if that arrow has wheel rotation.

No, actually, it doesn't. While the bottom of the wheel goes towards

you

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(like the road does), the top goes away.

If I'm riding backwards. Haven't done that since...the incident.

Ah, ok. Didn't know you were riding a fixie with rudder steering 😉

Jon Bond

VP said:

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Diagram looks fine to me. If you want clarity stop smokin' crack.

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human beings, for Crissakes?

That would go against our better nature 🙂

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You're telling ME about clarity? Yer an idiot.

Well, in all fairness, nobody else has a problem with this concept and it has been explained to you
several times.

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Secondly, I am looking at the diagram right now. Mid way down this page:

<http://www.parktool.com/repair_help/howfix_cant.shtml>

Pad Toeing...'So the front edge strikes first'...is the 'front edge' the front of the bike, or the
front of the pad?

Erm, both. The front of the pad is at the front of the bike.

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And in the meantime, lighten up. If you want to do mountainbiking a favour, stop pissing people
off in the newsgroups.

You appear to be the only one getting [censored], perhaps it's you that needs to lighten up. FWIW,
try and take most of this stuff as a joke -
a.m-b isn't the worst group, but like a lot of Usenet, you'll need a thick skin and a laid back
attitude to prevent ulcers and high blood pressure.

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It's not like we sent you this ink when you didn't want to google something, after all...
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Arf, arf, arf... /coat

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On Mon, 16 Jun 2003 22:15:34 -0400, VP <[email hidden]> wrote:

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And in the meantime, lighten up. If you want to do mountainbiking a favour, stop pissing people off
in the newsgroups.

chill grasshopper, chill...

Peace, Bill The mind serves properly as a window glass rather than as a reflector, that is, the mind
should give an immediate view instead of an interpretation of the world.
:-]

Stephen Baker,

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It's not like we sent you this ink when you didn't want to google something, after all...

I don't mind googling anything. But why do that when we're on topic? If you want an answer, go
searching for it.

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bomba,

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Ok then, let me get you kids a beer...

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Enjoy

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bomba,

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Well, in all fairness, nobody else has a problem with this concept and it has been explained to
you several times.

If nobody has issues with it, why is it in your FAQ? You honestly think some of the comments in here
are not out of the ordinary? What benefit are those comments to mountain biking as a whole? If
people come in here, don't you think a welcome attitude would do everybody some good?

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You appear to be the only one getting [censored], perhaps it's you that needs to lighten up. FWIW,
try and take most of this stuff as a joke -
a.m-b isn't the worst group, but like a lot of Usenet, you'll need a thick skin and a laid back
attitude to prevent ulcers and high blood pressure.

Um, I'm getting [censored] because others telling me to F-Off? OK then, I guess it's fair game in
here. I can play that too, but I gave up high school years ago. As for newgroups, I've been at it
for over a decade and it's junk like some of the postings in here that makes it such a bizarre place
to go. You wonder why people are alienated.

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VP said:

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Well, in all fairness, nobody else has a problem with this concept and it has been explained to
you several times.

If nobody has issues with it, why is it in your FAQ?

The FAQ tells you how to stop brake pads squealing. Repeated pointing out of which part is the front
of the brake and the direction of rotation of a bicycle wheel is not.

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You honestly think some of the comments in here are not out of the ordinary?

Nope. You got almost entirely positive and helpful comments with the exception of a couple that were
made with tongue in cheek.

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What benefit are those comments to mountain biking as a whole?

We're not here as some sort of advocacy group. Having said that, if you hang around long enough,
you'll discover that most are involved in trail advocacy, and doing various things that benefit the
sport. Just don't mistake those as the aims of the group.

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If people come in here, don't you think a welcome attitude would do everybody some good?

I think you were welcomed with a nice attitude. The problem came when you started throwing your toys
- standing there and shouting till you're blue in the face for everyone to change isn't going to
make a difference.

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You appear to be the only one getting [censored], perhaps it's you that needs to lighten up. FWIW,
try and take most of this stuff as a joke -
a.m-b isn't the worst group, but like a lot of Usenet, you'll need a thick skin and a laid back
attitude to prevent ulcers and high blood pressure.

Um, I'm getting [censored] because others telling me to F-Off?

if you don't like the way the group is. Have you read that beta FAQ yet? It might help explain some
stuff, including Shaun's post.

OK then, I

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guess it's fair game in here. I can play that too, but I gave up high school years ago.

So did everyone here. The average age of the group would be somewhere around 30+ at a guess.

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As for newgroups, I've been at it for over a decade and it's junk like some of the postings in
here that makes it such a bizarre place to go. You wonder why people are alienated.

It's a bizarre place for sure. Alt.m-b's not an unfriendly place, but one of the things that tends
not to go down well is a new contributor telling everyone that the group should be run the way he /
she wants it. That's a fast way to being alienated...

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