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  1. .... was a wee bit nippy. My water bottle was like slush when I got home,
    and I was covered in frost.

    I managed to stay upright by keeping off the back-roads as much as
    possible, but I still had to negotiate some minor roads, and they are
    *mean*. The back wheel spun once when I pushed down too hard as I was
    navigating some ice, and a couple of times the front wheel twitched
    dangerously as it found ridges of ice under the snow.

    A great day for a ride, but it would have been much less comfortable if
    I hadn't used the right clothes.

    Oh, and this ride got me past the 5,000 mile mark for the year. Yeehah!

    --
    Chris

  2. "Chris Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    ... was a wee bit nippy. My water bottle was like slush when I got home,
    and I was covered in frost.

    Braver man than me - not worried about the cold so much as the sheet ice on
    the roads. Done a 5 mile walk instead.

    --
    Simon Mason
    http://www.simonmason.karoo.net

  3. Chris Smith said:


    Oh, and this ride got me past the 5,000 mile mark for the year. Yeehah!

    Or could have put you in hospital, or under a car......... was it
    REALLY worth the risk??

  4. Jack Ouzzi said:


    Or could have put you in hospital, or under a car......... was it
    REALLY worth the risk??

    Yeah - there was literally only a few hundred yards of very slippery
    stuff, and I got off and walked at least once. Take your point though -
    I don't usually put myself in harms way for the sake of a milestone, I
    judged it was OK on balance 😉

    --
    Chris

  5. Chris Smith said:

    judged it was OK on balance 😉

    no pun intended... :-|

  6. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    ... was a wee bit nippy. My water bottle was like slush when I got home,
    and I was covered in frost.

    Braver man than me - not worried about the cold so much as the sheet ice on
    the roads. Done a 5 mile walk instead.

    At this time of year I go off road. More grip there and if I fall it
    won't be under a car! Plus it's wonderful cycling through deserted
    forests in snow and heavy frost. Took the tourer down the road to the
    shop though.

    --
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  7. "Jack Ouzzi" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Chris Smith said:


    Oh, and this ride got me past the 5,000 mile mark for the year. Yeehah!

    Or could have put you in hospital, or under a car......... was it
    REALLY worth the risk??

    To be fair to Chris...

    I know the roads in the area, as I'm just a few miles east of him. The main
    roads are totally clear and surprisingly little traffic about, you just have
    to travel with care, keeping the speed down and plenty of distance between
    self and other road users.

    The back roads *are* slippy, and some ditches with the obligatory 4x4
    off-roader type vehicle in them as driver totally overestimates his/her
    skill, thinking, "I'm in 4-wheel drive so I can still drive fast on icy
    roads and take the corner really fast! Oops..." My neighbour tried to help a
    guy pull his range rover out of a ditch but it was well-stuck apparently.
    oday was interesting - haven't been on the bike, but I did drive into town
    as I required main shopping plus decorating supplies. Freezing fog,
    temp -3C, clear main roads.

    Cheers, helen s

  8. wafflycat said:

    "Jack Ouzzi" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Chris Smith said:


    Oh, and this ride got me past the 5,000 mile mark for the year. Yeehah!

    Or could have put you in hospital, or under a car......... was it
    REALLY worth the risk??

    To be fair to Chris...

    I know the roads in the area, as I'm just a few miles east of him. The main
    roads are totally clear and surprisingly little traffic about, you just have
    to travel with care, keeping the speed down and plenty of distance between
    self and other road users.

    The back roads *are* slippy, and some ditches with the obligatory 4x4
    off-roader type vehicle in them as driver totally overestimates his/her
    skill, thinking, "I'm in 4-wheel drive so I can still drive fast on icy
    roads and take the corner really fast! Oops..." My neighbour tried to help a
    guy pull his range rover out of a ditch but it was well-stuck apparently.
    oday was interesting - haven't been on the bike, but I did drive into town
    as I required main shopping plus decorating supplies. Freezing fog,
    temp -3C, clear main roads.

    Just got back from a brief pootle - a shorter circuit than usual as I
    was keeping the speed down (or was it the mince pies and christmas
    pudding keeping the speed down)

    Main roads are wet but not icy, being well salted (and it is barely
    below zero). Minor roads are generally clear but with a few stretches
    where there is a bit of slush. Especially at farm entrances.

    ...d

  9. wafflycat said:
    Quoted message said:


    The back roads *are* slippy, and some ditches with the obligatory 4x4
    off-roader type vehicle in them as driver totally overestimates his/her
    skill, thinking, "I'm in 4-wheel drive so I can still drive fast on icy
    roads and take the corner really fast! Oops..."

    As I was taught it, 4WD may give you more grip for forwards and
    backwards, but sideways you've still got just the same four tyres.

    --
    Tony

    "The best way I know of to win an argument is to start by being in the
    right."
    - Lord Hailsham

  10. Tony Raven said:
    wafflycat said:
    Quoted message said:


    The back roads *are* slippy, and some ditches with the obligatory 4x4
    off-roader type vehicle in them as driver totally overestimates
    his/her skill, thinking, "I'm in 4-wheel drive so I can still drive
    fast on icy roads and take the corner really fast! Oops..."

    As I was taught it, 4WD may give you more grip for forwards and
    backwards, but sideways you've still got just the same four tyres.

    Thats a workable first approximation - there is, however, a gain to be
    had with 4 wheel drive in cornering if you need to simultaneously apply
    acceleration, as you can apply more power before you lose control.
    Causing any wheel to lose traction moves it from static to dynamic
    friction, and that effect can cause you to lose lateral grip at that
    wheel aswell. It is only relevant to the difference between 2wd and 4wd
    if you have enough power to break traction in the conditions you are
    driving in, of course, but it is a significant factor in why 4wd rally
    cars are generally faster than their 2wd couterparts. So, its not giving
    you more grip, but allowing you to use more acceleration in a corner
    before you run out of the grip you do have. You wouldn't need a rally
    car to be able to demonstrate this difference on ice.

    As I was taught it, you have a finite amount of grip per tyre, and once
    the vector of acceleration/braking forces and cornering forces exceeds
    the available static friction in that direction, that tyre is skidding,
    and its contribution to overall grip will drop until the external
    parameters change to bring it back to the static friction model. By this
    time you may require the services of a doctor.

    --
    JimP
    --
    "We don't have a plan, so nothing can go wrong" - Spike Milligan

  11. in message <[email hidden]>, John Burns

    (') said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    ... was a wee bit nippy. My water bottle was like slush when I got
    home, and I was covered in frost.

    Braver man than me - not worried about the cold so much as the sheet
    ice on the roads. Done a 5 mile walk instead.

    At this time of year I go off road. More grip there and if I fall it
    won't be under a car! Plus it's wonderful cycling through deserted
    forests in snow and heavy frost.

    Damn! You make me so jealous. Only a few more weeks now, but the snow
    will all be gone!

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/
    ;; This email may contain confidential or otherwise privileged
    ;; information, though, quite frankly, if you're not the intended
    ;; recipient and you've got nothing better to do than read other
    ;; folks' emails then I'm glad to have brightened up your sad little
    ;; life a tiny bit.

  12. Chris Smith said:
    Jack Ouzzi said:


    Or could have put you in hospital, or under a car......... was it
    REALLY worth the risk??

    Yeah - there was literally only a few hundred yards of very slippery
    stuff, and I got off and walked at least once. Take your point though -
    I don't usually put myself in harms way for the sake of a milestone, I
    judged it was OK on balance 😉

    That's fair enough Chris, I suppose it depends where you are. I am in
    the deepest Lincolnshire fens, and even my pet Greyhound has a job to
    stand up, plus I am getting to be an old fart so risk taking becomes
    MUCH more important ... I now shudder at the things I used to do during
    my racing days :-@

    Happy New Year to all, and I will be on the bike when it's 26deg, dry,
    sunny, no wind, no traffic ........ I know I know ..... [censored]!!

  13. in message <[email hidden]>, Jack

    Ouzzi (') said:

    I am getting to be an old fart so risk taking becomes
    MUCH more important ... I now shudder at the things I used to do during
    my racing days :-@

    I hope when I get to be an old fart I can learn to take risk more
    seriously... bloody hurts this morning.

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/
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  14. Simon Brooke said:


    I hope when I get to be an old fart I can learn to take risk more
    seriously... bloody hurts this morning.

    It dawned on me a little while ago as I entered Oldfartdom that whereas
    when I was young I was indestructible, things now broke without my doing
    anything ;-(

    --
    Tony

    "The best way I know of to win an argument is to start by being in the
    right."
    - Lord Hailsham

  15. Tony Raven said:

    It dawned on me a little while ago as I entered Oldfartdom that whereas
    when I was young I was indestructible, things now broke without my doing
    anything ;-(

    Ah Ha .... not JUST me then ;-)

  16. "Tony Raven" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Simon Brooke said:


    I hope when I get to be an old fart I can learn to take risk more
    seriously... bloody hurts this morning.

    It dawned on me a little while ago as I entered Oldfartdom that whereas
    when I was young I was indestructible, things now broke without my doing
    anything ;-(

    Join the club!(:-(

    Although I don't now go out regularly on a bike, when I do I use the
    pavements wherever I can, but road signs are a pest, trying to cycle between
    two poles two feet apart is not easy!

    Oh, alright, 3 feet apart!

    Alan

    Quoted message said:


    --
    Tony

    "The best way I know of to win an argument is to start by being in the
    right."
    - Lord Hailsham

  17. "Alan Holmes" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    "Tony Raven" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Simon Brooke said:


    I hope when I get to be an old fart I can learn to take risk more
    seriously... bloody hurts this morning.

    It dawned on me a little while ago as I entered Oldfartdom that whereas
    when I was young I was indestructible, things now broke without my doing
    anything ;-(

    Join the club!(:-(

    Although I don't now go out regularly on a bike, when I do I use the
    pavements wherever I can, but road signs are a pest, trying to cycle
    between two poles two feet apart is not easy!

    Oh, alright, 3 feet apart!

    Alan

    Quoted message said:


    --
    Tony

    "The best way I know of to win an argument is to start by being in the
    right."
    - Lord Hailsham


    At 68 and a very "old fart" I will not ride on pavements and definitely not
    on shared pedestrian/cyclist routes with just a white line ( pedestrians
    have caused me more incidents than motorists) I find that my bike is, on the
    road, far safer than sitting in my small Suzuki Swift metal box which comes
    out once a week.
    On urban dual carriageways I take up a very prime position in my lane. The
    vast majority of motorists rest that and the few idiots have to make a
    positive overtaking move (usually with horns blaring and fingers raised) but
    above all I have room to take avoiding action on my left if needed and I
    will not ride in the gutter -- or indeed on those painted narrow cycle lanes
    which are in fact used to often purely as motor traffic calming methods --
    they are just too dangerous.

    My advice to all pavement riders is to get on the road!

    --
    Trevor A Panther
    In South Yorkshire,
    England, United Kingdom.
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