"wish people would take more notice of... Cyclists. I really hate them. I wish they would not be so self-righteous and realise they are a danger to pedestrians. I wish cyclists would not vindictively snap off wing mirrors on cars when they were trying to cross in front of the car at a danger to motorists and pedestrians.
The most surprising thing that ever happened to me was...
My son was killed by a car aged 11. "
How on earth can these two statements be reconciled??
"wish people would take more notice of... Cyclists. I really hate them. I wish they would not be so self-righteous and realise they are a danger to pedestrians. I wish cyclists would not vindictively snap off wing mirrors on cars when they were trying to cross in front of the car at a danger to motorists and pedestrians.
The most surprising thing that ever happened to me was...
My son was killed by a car aged 11. "
How on earth can these two statements be reconciled??
"wish people would take more notice of... Cyclists. I really hate them. I wish they would not be so self-righteous and realise they are a danger to pedestrians. I wish cyclists would not vindictively snap off wing mirrors on cars when they were trying to cross in front of the car at a danger to motorists and pedestrians.
The long arm of the cyclist - able to snap off wing mirrors when crossing in front of a car ;-)
-- Tony
"Anyone who conducts an argument by appealing to authority is not using his intelligence; he is just using his memory." - Leonardo da Vinci
"wish people would take more notice of... Cyclists. I really hate them. I wish they would not be so self-righteous and realise they are a danger to pedestrians. I wish cyclists would not vindictively snap off wing mirrors on cars when they were trying to cross in front of the car at a danger to motorists and pedestrians.
The most surprising thing that ever happened to me was...
My son was killed by a car aged 11. "
How on earth can these two statements be reconciled??
They never can because they were never intended to be reconciled. Not everyone has a cyclocentric/car hating viewpoint......
"wish people would take more notice of... Cyclists. I really hate them. I wish they would not be so self-righteous
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realise they are a danger to pedestrians. I wish cyclists would not vindictively snap off wing mirrors on cars when they were trying to
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front of the car at a danger to motorists and pedestrians.
The long arm of the cyclist - able to snap off wing mirrors when crossing in front of a car ;-)
I'm not a book burning facist, but I feel a strong exception coming on. I hate people telling me how self-righteous I am, especially people I've not met. How do they know my opinions? I think this 'self-righteous' label is applied to us by people who are guilty at not helping the situation. If we can't ride, there will be more cars for mothers to loose their 11-year-old sons to.
How many occurances of wing mirror snapping have really occured? I think it's an urban myth. -- David Lloyd, The pub is responsible for my opinions.
"wish people would take more notice of... Cyclists. I really hate them. I wish they would not be so self-righteous
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realise they are a danger to pedestrians. I wish cyclists would not vindictively snap off wing mirrors on cars when they were trying to
cross in
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front of the car at a danger to motorists and pedestrians.
The long arm of the cyclist - able to snap off wing mirrors when crossing in front of a car ;-)
I'm not a book burning facist, but I feel a strong exception coming on. I hate people telling me how self-righteous I am, especially people I've not met. How do they know my opinions? I think this 'self-righteous' label is applied to us by people who are guilty at not helping the situation. If we can't ride, there will be more cars for mothers to loose their 11-year-old sons to.
How many occurances of wing mirror snapping have really occured? I think it's an urban myth. -- David Lloyd, The pub is responsible for my opinions.
And if you called these peopl bigoted, which they are by definition, they'd be gobsmacked.
How many occurances of wing mirror snapping have really occured? I think it's an urban myth. --
There are cyclists who, in other forums, claim to participate in this activity.
There *are* cyclists who who bring the actvity into disrepute. I am no saint and have been known to wave a fist or gesticulate at errant motorists but some of the claims made by other cyclists:, picking up cigarette butts and depositing them inside the cars from which they exited, squirting water/drinks etc into cars and keying scraping the sides of cars/vans does little to help the cause of cycling. The errant are an unrepresentative population of cyclists as a whole but well behaved cyclists are generally invisible to the wider population leaving the irresponsible, incompetent and aggresive cyclists to represent the cycling body.
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"Tony Raven" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
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Toby Sleigh wrote on 04/11/2006 14:10 +0100: > http://news.independent.co.uk/people/profiles/article1953681.ece > > From a short interview with AS Byatt. > > "wish people would take more notice of... > Cyclists. I really hate them. I wish they would not be so > self-righteous
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You would have thought that she would hate drunk drivers more than cyclists... Peter
How many occurances of wing mirror snapping have really occured? I think it's an urban myth.
I've tried it (on a scrap car. 🙂 ) Pop-on mirrors have to be hit bloody hard, you could only realistically do it with foot or heel of palm. They tend to have sacrificial tabs in them to avoid damage to door etc, but they're still tough.
A mirror could be broken away if a moving car clouted a cyclist.
On bolt-on mirrors, nevergonnahappen.
You could thump the mirror off my old car, because the sacrificial retaining tabs were already broken where someone drove too close & it was relying on its steel springs. 🙂
How many occurances of wing mirror snapping have really occured? I think it's an urban myth.
I've tried it (on a scrap car. 🙂 ) Pop-on mirrors have to be hit bloody hard, you could only realistically do it with foot or heel of palm. They tend to have sacrificial tabs in them to avoid damage to door etc, but they're still tough.
A mirror could be broken away if a moving car clouted a cyclist.
On bolt-on mirrors, nevergonnahappen.
You could thump the mirror off my old car, because the sacrificial retaining tabs were already broken where someone drove too close & it was relying on its steel springs. 🙂
As a driver I've bust/ had bust for me many wing mirrors by other vehicles. Never, ever by a cyclist. Neither have I heard of this happening to other drivers.
How many occurances of wing mirror snapping have really occured? I think it's an urban myth.
I've tried it (on a scrap car. 🙂 ) Pop-on mirrors have to be hit bloody hard, you could only realistically do it with foot or heel of palm. They tend to have sacrificial tabs in them to avoid damage to door etc, but they're still tough.
A mirror could be broken away if a moving car clouted a cyclist. On bolt-on mirrors, nevergonnahappen. You could thump the mirror off my old car, because the sacrificial retaining tabs were already broken where someone drove too close & it was relying on its steel springs. 🙂
As a driver I've bust/ had bust for me many wing mirrors by other vehicles. Never, ever by a cyclist. Neither have I heard of this happening to other drivers.
I've broken a nearside wing mirror off a car that turned left across me. Sadly the driver had worked out that it really was his fault and driven off before I realised my wheels were buckled or thought to get his registration.
(I did have a car with a wing mirror that might have been knocked off by a cyclist coughing hard in its general direction until I patched the rust its screws were resting in.)
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There *are* cyclists who who bring the actvity into disrepute. I am no saint and have been known to wave a fist or gesticulate
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Yeah, but you think Daniel Cadden was bang to rights. I bet you even think the Winlow Boy did it.
Tim -- Sent from Birmingham, UK timdunne at blueyonder.co.uk 'God's electrician sparked up the heavens once again, heading northbound on the 7:10. And the lord said let there be commuters...' - Thea Gilmore Look, mum, an anorak on a bike! Check out www.nervouscyclist.org
Yeah, but you think Daniel Cadden was bang to rights. I bet you even think the Winlow Boy did it.
'Winslow', numpty...
Tim -- Sent from Birmingham, UK timdunne at blueyonder.co.uk 'God's electrician sparked up the heavens once again, heading northbound on the 7:10. And the lord said let there be commuters...' - Thea Gilmore Look, mum, an anorak on a bike! Check out www.nervouscyclist.org
As a driver I've bust/ had bust for me many wing mirrors by other vehicles. Never, ever by a cyclist. Neither have I heard of this happening to other drivers.
I've broken a nearside wing mirror off a car that turned left across me. Sadly the driver had worked out that it really was his fault and driven off before I realised my wheels were buckled or thought to get his registration.
I've done the same, but on the offside, when a car in a line of queueing traffic which I was passing on the offside decided to do a U turn without signalling. No damage to me or the bike, but I'd put myself at least 60% to blame for that one. The driver did not stop.
I'm fed up with Life 1.0. I never liked it much and now it's getting me down. I think I'll upgrade to MSLife 97 -- you know, the one that comes in a flash new box and within weeks you're crawling with bugs.
"wish people would take more notice of... Cyclists. I really hate them. I wish they would not be so self-righteous and realise they are a danger to pedestrians. I wish cyclists would not vindictively snap off wing mirrors on cars when they were trying to cross in front of the car at a danger to motorists and pedestrians.
To be fair, what is published in newspapers often diverges significantly from what was actually said, even in the so-called quality press.
"wish people would take more notice of... Cyclists. I really hate them. I wish they would not be so self-righteous
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realise they are a danger to pedestrians. I wish cyclists would not vindictively snap off wing mirrors on cars when they were trying to
cross in
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front of the car at a danger to motorists and pedestrians.
The long arm of the cyclist - able to snap off wing mirrors when crossing in front of a car ;-)
I'm not a book burning facist, but I feel a strong exception coming on. I hate people telling me how self-righteous I am, especially people I've not met. How do they know my opinions? I think this 'self-righteous' label is applied to us by people who are guilty at not helping the situation. If we can't ride, there will be more cars for mothers to loose their 11-year-old sons to.
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How many occurances of wing mirror snapping have really occured? I think it's an urban myth.
A friend of mine was taken to court for snapping both wing mirrors off a motor car. His defence was going to be that the car menaced him and was lucky to lose only its mirrors. His lawyer managed to persuade him that it would be better to plead guilty and apologise.
-- Chris Malcolm [email hidden] DoD #205 IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK [http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]
A friend of mine was taken to court for snapping both wing mirrors off a motor car. His defence was going to be that the car menaced him and was lucky to lose only its mirrors.
A friend of mine was taken to court for snapping both wing mirrors off a motor car. His defence was going to be that the car menaced him and was lucky to lose only its mirrors.
Not perhaps the best defence :-)
"The car got too close, I instinctively threw out my arm to defend myself, and knocked off the wing mirror" ?
Has an element of truth, but can hardly explain knocking off both mirrors!
IMO a driver who comes within arm's reach of a cyclist is deliberately endangering both the cyclist and his wing mirror. In these circumstances it may sometimes be appropriate to hit the car, but never to damage it.
Colin McKenzie
-- No-one has ever proved that cycle helmets make cycling any safer at the population level, and anyway cycling is about as safe per mile as walking. Make an informed choice - visit www.cyclehelmets.org.
