To wash EPO...

poulidor said:

More here sport.guardian.co.uk0,, 6118271,00.htmlOpen ↗

Thanks Poulidor for that link.

As well as identifying riders attempting to mask their illicit activities - the article shows that the cheats are still one step ahead of the people trying to uncover doping in the sport.

limerickman said:

Thanks Poulidor for that link.

As well as identifying riders attempting to mask their illicit activities - the article shows that the cheats are still one step ahead of the people trying to uncover doping in the sport.

Even worse this report says Ullrich's samples along with many others were devoid of any EPO including naturally human produced EPO ! The UCI went back and re-tested Ullrich's samples from December 2005 as the Fuentes files stated that number 1 (JAN) used protease... I think the link to number 1 blood bag has now been made....
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iht.comEU SPT ATH IAAF Doping EPO Destroyer.phpOpen ↗

LAUSANNE, Switzerland Anti-doping laboratories are working on a test to detect a powder used to destroy traces of the performance-enhancer EPO in urine samples.

Martial Saugy, the head of the Swiss anti-doping laboratory, said there have been suspicious tests over the last year in which no traces of EPO — or Erythropoietin — were found in athlete's urine, not even natural EPO produced by the body's kidney cells.

Researches suspect cheats are using a substance called protease — sometimes used in stain removers — to wipe out all traces of EPO in their urine.

"There has been a significant increase in the number of samples in which there is no EPO detected at all, leading us to believe they are being manipulated," Saugy said Sunday. "We have no proof so far but there are indications that a powder exists.

"It can happen that people who excrete less EPO than others have a result where there is no EPO but it is unusual. And over this last year we've seen some suspicious cases of EPO-free urine samples, where we did not understand why suddenly it was undetectable."

The research coincides with reports that German cycling pro Jan Ullrich, who was barred from the Tour de France for his alleged involvement in the Spanish doping scandal, had several EPO-devoid samples.

A program aired Sunday on the Swiss television channel SF1 reported that the head of the anti-doping unit of the Swiss Department for Sport, Matthias Kamber, was instrumental in uncovering the possible scam, noticing that more than a dozen doping samples without EPO had been submitted in Switzerland.

According to the SF1 program, one of the EPO-free doping tests belonged to Ullrich, using a sample reportedly taken in December 2005 during a training camp in South Africa.

The Swiss newspaper NZZ am Sonntag reported that the Switzerland-based cyclist had at least two further such samples.

NZZ said the possibility that Ullrich could have used protease is supported by documents from the Spanish doping scandal. Documents pertaining to Ullrich mention the word "polvos" (powder) a number of times, the newspaper said.

Saugy was unable to confirm the allegations.

"These affirmations certainly came from information they got from the Puerto affair or anti-doping authorities, but the laboratory does not know," Saugy said. "The laboratory works on urine labeled with numbers. We don't have the names of the athletes so I cannot confirm the name."

Scientists are now seeking a test to detect the presence of protease in urine, which is proving tricky.

"We're working in biology and in biology these products deteriorate very quickly," he said. "In urine it (protease) is a product which will be invisible after a certain time. It's not complicated but we still need to work on it."

Protease is cheap, readily available, and the cheating process is simple.

Cheaters could slip the powder into a urine sample by putting a hand in their pocket where some protease is stashed, then urinating on their fingers. Very little powder is needed to break down proteins — including EPO — in urine in the space of a few minutes.

Another one important discovery, but again their hands are tied - they can't apply any sanctions. There are cases when there's no even natural EPO in urine. They can not sanction anyone retroactively on this basis but for future controls is very important.

whiteboytrash said:

Cheaters could slip the powder into a urine sample by putting a hand in their pocket where some protease is stashed, then urinating on their fingers. Very little powder is needed to break down proteins — including EPO — in urine in the space of a few minutes.

So this is what the sport has devolved to: Cyclists pissing on themselves. Sad.

Bro Deal said:

So this is what the sport has devolved to: Cyclists pissing on themselves. Sad.

True dat.

Certainly don't want to shake their hands after a race

Bro Deal said:

So this is what the sport has devolved to: Cyclists pissing on themselves. Sad.

The metaphor becomes reality. Nice catch Bro.

limerickman said:

As well as identifying riders attempting to mask their illicit activities - the article shows that the cheats are still one step ahead of the people trying to uncover doping in the sport.

Part of the reason for that I think is simply a question of money. The teams/riders are willing to spend big bucks on evading the doping controls because the return they get from it is huge. The anti-doping authorities are running on a bduget which is much smaller than the amount of money the teams/riders are putting in. Until the UCI increase funding to the anti-doping labs etc we probably won't see any improvements.

...and to think the $500,000 Armstrong donated to the UCI (to buy their silence) couldn't find washing powder as a mask for EPO ! What is exactly is going on up there at UCI HQ ? The UCI along with WADA have enough money... tell how much would it take to find out that washing powder can mask EPO ? I could buy a box of OMO for €1.29 and test it on a lab rat injected with EPO bought at a market for 0.70c..... seriously do they not have doping consultants who find these things out ? Do they not talk to the doctors in the peleton and get tip off's ? Do they not keep up to date on the lastest doping trends by researching on the internet ? I'm dumbfounded that this is a new revelation to the UCI... its only now they have been caught with [font=Verdana]their pants down the claim to make new discovery’s ! (non pun intended)[/font]

Armstrong's $28 Million a year is far beyond what any other cyclist or team earns... Basso probably pulled around €3 million a year with endorsements.. Ullrich around 5 million..... however the gulf between these guys and average cycling joe is massive...... some riders only earn around €60,000-€90,000 which is nothing to spend 200 days a year away from home and slog your guts out up and down the European countryside in snow, rain and burning sun.... no wonder Armstrong and co. hide away all year and only come out to play 30 days a year.... nice return.... I'd dope as well...

Eldrack said:

Part of the reason for that I think is simply a question of money. The teams/riders are willing to spend big bucks on evading the doping controls because the return they get from it is huge. The anti-doping authorities are running on a bduget which is much smaller than the amount of money the teams/riders are putting in. Until the UCI increase funding to the anti-doping labs etc we probably won't see any improvements.

whiteboytrash said:

...and to think the $500,000 Armstrong donated to the UCI (to buy their silence) couldn't find washing powder as a mask for EPO ! What is exactly is going on up there at UCI HQ ? The UCI along with WADA have enough money... tell how much would it take to find out that washing powder can mask EPO ? I could buy a box of OMO for €1.29 and test it on a lab rat injected with EPO bought at a market for 0.70c..... seriously do they not have doping consultants who find these things out ? Do they not talk to the doctors in the peleton and get tip off's ? Do they not keep up to date on the lastest doping trends by researching on the internet ? I'm dumbfounded that this is a new revelation to the UCI... its only now they have been caught with [font=Verdana]their pants down the claim to make new discovery’s ! (non pun intended)[/font]

Armstrong's $28 Million a year is far beyond what any other cyclist or team earns... Basso probably pulled around €3 million a year with endorsements.. Ullrich around 5 million..... however the gulf between these guys and average cycling joe is massive...... some riders only earn around €60,000-€90,000 which is nothing to spend 200 days a year away from home and slog your guts out up and down the European countryside in snow, rain and burning sun.... no wonder Armstrong and co. hide away all year and only come out to play 30 days a year.... nice return.... I'd dope as well...

WADA and the UCI could improve the testing method by not allowing the riders to hang on to themselves while pissing ... Arms above th rhead..... And I nominate WBT for the guy who gets to hang on to the riders [censored] while the riders [censored].

{ ***** Lance Armstrong suggested this.}

Note repeated mention in article that this is something occuring in the last year (no EPO found in urine).

And note the liaison of this technique with Mr. JU. 😄

musette said:

Note repeated mention in article that this is something occuring in the last year (no EPO found in urine).

And note the liaison of this technique with Mr. JU. 😄

...at least we know Armstrong didn't use the powder 'cos he had EPO in his [censored].... 3 times ! :p

whiteboytrash said:

...at least we know Armstrong didn't use the powder 'cos he had EPO in his [censored].... 3 times ! :p

You've got it all wrong. He did use powder, but the evil frenchies swapped his protease containing poweder for an inert one!!!!! Its all a conspiracy remember...........

Eldrack said:

You've got it all wrong. He did use powder, but the evil frenchies swapped his protease containing poweder for an inert one!!!!! Its all a conspiracy remember...........

Not just any evil Frenchies....... It was the diabolical deeds of...... "The Cone Heads".

lw

Kamber of the Swiss federal office for sports said he never talked to NZZ or Swiss tv about Ullrich's samples. I also did some research about protease and it's in all kind of food and food supplements (fish, meat, cheese, bakery products). Kamber told German tv that blood samples without any epo in it could therefore as well have a natural cause, but it would feed suspicion.

whiteboytrash said:

Even worse this report says Ullrich's samples along with many others were devoid of any EPO including naturally human produced EPO ! The UCI went back and re-tested Ullrich's samples from December 2005 as the Fuentes files stated that number 1 (JAN) used protease... I think the link to number 1 blood bag has now been made....
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iht.comEU SPT ATH IAAF Doping EPO Destroyer.phpOpen ↗

LAUSANNE, Switzerland Anti-doping laboratories are working on a test to detect a powder used to destroy traces of the performance-enhancer EPO in urine samples.

Martial Saugy, the head of the Swiss anti-doping laboratory, said there have been suspicious tests over the last year in which no traces of EPO — or Erythropoietin — were found in athlete's urine, not even natural EPO produced by the body's kidney cells.

Researches suspect cheats are using a substance called protease — sometimes used in stain removers — to wipe out all traces of EPO in their urine.

"There has been a significant increase in the number of samples in which there is no EPO detected at all, leading us to believe they are being manipulated," Saugy said Sunday. "We have no proof so far but there are indications that a powder exists.

"It can happen that people who excrete less EPO than others have a result where there is no EPO but it is unusual. And over this last year we've seen some suspicious cases of EPO-free urine samples, where we did not understand why suddenly it was undetectable."

The research coincides with reports that German cycling pro Jan Ullrich, who was barred from the Tour de France for his alleged involvement in the Spanish doping scandal, had several EPO-devoid samples.

A program aired Sunday on the Swiss television channel SF1 reported that the head of the anti-doping unit of the Swiss Department for Sport, Matthias Kamber, was instrumental in uncovering the possible scam, noticing that more than a dozen doping samples without EPO had been submitted in Switzerland.

According to the SF1 program, one of the EPO-free doping tests belonged to Ullrich, using a sample reportedly taken in December 2005 during a training camp in South Africa.

The Swiss newspaper NZZ am Sonntag reported that the Switzerland-based cyclist had at least two further such samples.

NZZ said the possibility that Ullrich could have used protease is supported by documents from the Spanish doping scandal. Documents pertaining to Ullrich mention the word "polvos" (powder) a number of times, the newspaper said.

Saugy was unable to confirm the allegations.

"These affirmations certainly came from information they got from the Puerto affair or anti-doping authorities, but the laboratory does not know," Saugy said. "The laboratory works on urine labeled with numbers. We don't have the names of the athletes so I cannot confirm the name."

Scientists are now seeking a test to detect the presence of protease in urine, which is proving tricky.

"We're working in biology and in biology these products deteriorate very quickly," he said. "In urine it (protease) is a product which will be invisible after a certain time. It's not complicated but we still need to work on it."

Protease is cheap, readily available, and the cheating process is simple.

Cheaters could slip the powder into a urine sample by putting a hand in their pocket where some protease is stashed, then urinating on their fingers. Very little powder is needed to break down proteins — including EPO — in urine in the space of a few minutes.

cyclingheroes said:

Kamber of the Swiss federal office for sports said he never talked to NZZ or Swiss tv about Ullrich's samples. I also did some research about protease and it's in all kind of food and food supplements (fish, meat, cheese, bakery products). Kamber told German tv that blood samples without any epo in it could therefore as well have a natural cause, but it would feed suspicion.

This could go on forever.........

cyclingheroes said:

Kamber of the Swiss federal office for sports said he never talked to NZZ or Swiss tv about Ullrich's samples. I also did some research about protease and it's in all kind of food and food supplements (fish, meat, cheese, bakery products). Kamber told German tv that blood samples without any epo in it could therefore as well have a natural cause, but it would feed suspicion.

This sport is going to be very difficult to clean up. No one wants to work with anyone. In order to really give a rider the boot they are going to need absolute proof of doping. And as we know, that is going to be very difficult. The dopers have too many "what if's?" at their disposal. Plus we have too many organizations that are part of the process.
Is it rumour that the no #1 bag referred to "powder" and also had JAN on it? This whole thing is so hard to follow.