To this group

This is the first time I have "heard" of you, so I went back to find the
posts about which you complain. The problem is easily apparent: you are too
snarky. If someone questions your veracity, you respond with rage, total
war, and obscenities. Now, really, would you like for someone to respond to
YOUR questions of their posts in that manner?

Attitude, dude, attitude. That's the problem.

Pat in TX

This is Usenet, an incredibly public forum, thousands of people lurk
and post. We are not your neighbors and we don't have to get a long.
Some people prefer to be nice and some people don't. You can't wear
your heart on your sleeve here nor can you expect people to change by
the power of YOUR suggestion. Nice idea. Nice try. But it isn't going
to work here. If you're bothered by what people say then don't post and
leave yourself open to responses. US net is not a place for you to go
to a corner and hiss nor it is productive to don the boxing gloves
always ready to duke it out. You're no one special. You're just someone
else who happened by and thinks he can change things.... NOT!!!
If I tucked my tail between my legs, [censored] and moaned after each time
someone hurt my feelers or said something that offended me, it would
just happen all the more. I suggest you buck up, take Usenet for what
it is or don't post here cuz you're going to get your feelings hurt if
you dont have some backbone.

Laureen

MDS said:

When I first began interacting here it was simply to say that someone else's
problem had also been mine in the past. Instead of saying "Well maybe you
had a problem with low fiber while you were in ketosis, but it wasn't
ketosis itself," both Palmer and myself were charged with being trolls and
liars. I hate to say it, but I wish Palmer had had the backbone to stand up
to you people. Instead he just up and left because he felt you weren't
being kind to him. I'm not so timid. You want to attack me? Fine, but you
should be prepared for the dishes I'll prepare and throw in your faces in
return. Obviously most of you didn't expect me to dig in my heels and show
you that not everyone you attack is going to run away, and you obviously
weren't prepared for the flames you got in response to what you had dished
out to us. Serves you right. Next time you should be more careful about
who you attack as a troll. I've stood my ground and repaid offense with
offense. I need do nothing more than that. The only thing this flamewar is
doing now is turning people who don't have a dog in this fight and who might
need some help into people who won't want to come here. For their sakes,
and their sakes alone, I will hold my tongue and not flame anymore. I
propose that everyone else do the same.

--
MDS (Mister Doctor Sir)

"Laureen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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This is Usenet, an incredibly public forum, thousands of people lurk
and post. We are not your neighbors and we don't have to get a long.
Some people prefer to be nice and some people don't. You can't wear
your heart on your sleeve here nor can you expect people to change by
the power of YOUR suggestion. Nice idea. Nice try. But it isn't going
to work here. If you're bothered by what people say then don't post and
leave yourself open to responses. US net is not a place for you to go
to a corner and hiss nor it is productive to don the boxing gloves
always ready to duke it out. You're no one special. You're just someone
else who happened by and thinks he can change things.... NOT!!!
If I tucked my tail between my legs, [censored] and moaned after each time
someone hurt my feelers or said something that offended me, it would
just happen all the more. I suggest you buck up, take Usenet for what
it is or don't post here cuz you're going to get your feelings hurt if
you dont have some backbone.

Laureen

Um, what do you think I'm some sort of newbie to usenet? Guess again, babe.
Instead of saying most of that old news to me, you should have directed it
to some of the people here. To me, you're just a nobody whose life or death
would mean nothing to me since I don't know you from Adam. You could be
dying from cancer, and I probably would say something nice just to be
courteous, but since I don't know you from Adam, I probably wouldn't care
less. You're just a name on a screen. However, truces have been called
before, and they have been honored. Even though you sound like someone I
could expect some harsh flames from, I'd closely monitor my spelling, if I
were you. It's almost atrocious! ;-)

--
MDS (Mister Doctor Sir)

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MDS said:

When I first began interacting here it was simply to say that someone

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problem had also been mine in the past. Instead of saying "Well maybe

you

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had a problem with low fiber while you were in ketosis, but it wasn't
ketosis itself," both Palmer and myself were charged with being trolls

and

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liars. I hate to say it, but I wish Palmer had had the backbone to

stand up

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to you people. Instead he just up and left because he felt you weren't
being kind to him. I'm not so timid. You want to attack me? Fine, but

you

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should be prepared for the dishes I'll prepare and throw in your faces

in

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return. Obviously most of you didn't expect me to dig in my heels and

show

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you that not everyone you attack is going to run away, and you obviously
weren't prepared for the flames you got in response to what you had

dished

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out to us. Serves you right. Next time you should be more careful

about

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who you attack as a troll. I've stood my ground and repaid offense with
offense. I need do nothing more than that. The only thing this

flamewar is

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doing now is turning people who don't have a dog in this fight and who

might

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need some help into people who won't want to come here. For their

sakes,

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and their sakes alone, I will hold my tongue and not flame anymore. I
propose that everyone else do the same.

--
MDS (Mister Doctor Sir)

"Pat in TX" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

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This is the first time I have "heard" of you, so I went back to find the
posts about which you complain. The problem is easily apparent: you are

too

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snarky. If someone questions your veracity, you respond with rage, total
war, and obscenities.

What? This surprises you? You don't get around usenet much, do you?

Now, really, would you like for someone to respond to

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YOUR questions of their posts in that manner?

You really don't get around usenet much, do you? As a matter of fact, the
point you've missed entirely is that there are people out there who flame
just to flame in groups that exist just so they can flame away. Now that's
now me; I'm not THAT bad. However, imagine that one of those people comes
here because they need some advice and suddenly find themselves under the
gun. What exactly would you expect their response to be? "Oh please don't
say that? You're being mean to me!?" Would you expect them to run? Ignore
it? More than likely, they'll do here what they do in other groups, and if
you can't see that coming, then you really don't get around usenet much, do
you? And in answer to your question, I'm pretty good at detecting a troll
when one hops along, at least when it comes to the groups I frequent. If my
questions are attacked, it's because I designed them to draw an attack. But
that only happens when I'm in a group where I am going after someone I don't
like and want to let them know that. Most of the time I am very cordial
when I ask people questions, and I have yet to have an honest, probing
question misunderstood. So, yes, if I was asking inflammatory questions, I
would want them to respond that way.

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Attitude, dude, attitude. That's the problem.

It's not my problem, but since you don't get around usenet much, I won't
hold that against you. :-)

--
MDS (Mister Doctor Sir)

"MDS" <[email hidden]> wrote in

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Um, what do you think I'm some sort of newbie to usenet?

What, so you want a Hat and Balloon with a pat on the back?

Dude, we could care less, we're just here to get a few questions answered.

"MDS" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I'm not so timid. You want to attack me? Fine, but you
should be prepared for the dishes I'll prepare and throw in your faces in
return.

This is high comedy. Thanks for the laugh, fat boy.

"MDS" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

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"Pat in TX" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

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This is the first time I have "heard" of you, so I went back to find the
posts about which you complain. The problem is easily apparent: you are

too

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snarky. If someone questions your veracity, you respond with rage, total
war, and obscenities.

What? This surprises you? You don't get around usenet much, do you?

Now, really, would you like for someone to respond to

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YOUR questions of their posts in that manner?

You really don't get around usenet much, do you? As a matter of fact, the
point you've missed entirely is that there are people out there who flame
just to flame in groups that exist just so they can flame away. Now
that's
now me; I'm not THAT bad. However, imagine that one of those people comes
here because they need some advice and suddenly find themselves under the
gun. What exactly would you expect their response to be? "Oh please
don't
say that? You're being mean to me!?" Would you expect them to run?
Ignore
it? More than likely, they'll do here what they do in other groups, and
if
you can't see that coming, then you really don't get around usenet much,
do
you? And in answer to your question, I'm pretty good at detecting a troll
when one hops along, at least when it comes to the groups I frequent. If
my
questions are attacked, it's because I designed them to draw an attack.
But
that only happens when I'm in a group where I am going after someone I
don't
like and want to let them know that. Most of the time I am very cordial
when I ask people questions, and I have yet to have an honest, probing
question misunderstood. So, yes, if I was asking inflammatory questions,
I
would want them to respond that way.

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Attitude, dude, attitude. That's the problem.

It's not my problem, but since you don't get around usenet much, I won't
hold that against you. :-)

--
MDS (Mister Doctor Sir)

You have anger management issues. get help. this is the internet. growup and
move on.

<snip>

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To me, you're just a nobody whose life or death
would mean nothing to me since I don't know you from Adam. You could be
dying from cancer, and I probably would say something nice just to be
courteous, but since I don't know you from Adam, I probably wouldn't care
less.

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Tsk-tsk-tsk. I'm certain that you are not the only one who feels this way,
but seeing it written on screen and knowing that it came from an actual
person shocks me.

~Carol Ann
170/154/130

On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 23:57:55 GMT, "MDS" <[email hidden]>

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The only thing this flamewar is
doing now is turning people who don't have a dog in this fight and who might
need some help into people who won't want to come here. For their sakes,
and their sakes alone, I will hold my tongue and not flame anymore. I
propose that everyone else do the same.

Didn't take long to break that promise.

--
Face your fears.
Live your dreams.

<plonk>

On Sat, 03 Jun 2006 01:25:20 GMT, "MDS" <[email hidden]>
wrote:

|To me, you're just a nobody whose life or death
|would mean nothing to me since I don't know you from Adam. You could be
|dying from cancer, and I probably would say something nice just to be
|courteous, but since I don't know you from Adam, I probably wouldn't care
|less.

Then what in the world makes you think that we should give a rat's ass
about a lying [censored] PCRM blowhard like you or your phony problems?
Why are you even posting here, other than to purposely disrupt our
forum? FOAD.

Patricia Martin Steward said:

On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 23:57:55 GMT, "MDS" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

The only thing this flamewar is
doing now is turning people who don't have a dog in this fight and who might
need some help into people who won't want to come here. For their sakes,
and their sakes alone, I will hold my tongue and not flame anymore. I
propose that everyone else do the same.

Didn't take long to break that promise.

--
Face your fears.
Live your dreams.

MDS sure is doing a great job of winning friends and gaining respect
here, ain't he? Now, why would anyone question the veracity of a
nice reasonable fellow like that?

If everyone else jumped off a bridge would you do it, too?

Mother

In news:[email hidden],
MDS <[email hidden]> stated
| "Pat in TX" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
| news:[email hidden]...
|| This is the first time I have "heard" of you, so I went back to find
|| the posts about which you complain. The problem is easily apparent:
|| you are too snarky. If someone questions your veracity, you respond
|| with rage, total war, and obscenities.
|
|
| What? This surprises you? You don't get around usenet much, do you?
|
|
|
| Now, really, would you like for someone to respond to
|| YOUR questions of their posts in that manner?
|
|
| You really don't get around usenet much, do you? As a matter of
| fact, the point you've missed entirely is that there are people out
| there who flame just to flame in groups that exist just so they can
| flame away. Now that's now me; I'm not THAT bad. However, imagine
| that one of those people comes here because they need some advice and
| suddenly find themselves under the gun. What exactly would you
| expect their response to be? "Oh please don't say that? You're
| being mean to me!?" Would you expect them to run? Ignore it? More
| than likely, they'll do here what they do in other groups, and if you
| can't see that coming, then you really don't get around usenet much,
| do you? And in answer to your question, I'm pretty good at detecting
| a troll when one hops along, at least when it comes to the groups I
| frequent. If my questions are attacked, it's because I designed them
| to draw an attack. But that only happens when I'm in a group where I
| am going after someone I don't like and want to let them know that.
| Most of the time I am very cordial when I ask people questions, and I
| have yet to have an honest, probing question misunderstood. So, yes,
| if I was asking inflammatory questions, I would want them to respond
| that way.
|
|
||
|| Attitude, dude, attitude. That's the problem.
|
|
| It's not my problem, but since you don't get around usenet much, I
| won't hold that against you. :-)

"MDS" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

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"Pat in TX" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

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This is the first time I have "heard" of you, so I went back to find the
posts about which you complain. The problem is easily apparent: you are

too

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snarky. If someone questions your veracity, you respond with rage, total
war, and obscenities.

What? This surprises you? You don't get around usenet much, do you?

Ed, you just did it again.... chill, dude...

Nicky.

--
A1c 10.5/5.4/<6 T2 DX 05/2004
1g Metformin, 100ug Thyroxine
95/73/72Kg

It is a little disheartening isn't it Carol Ann?

--
Cheri

Carol Ann wrote in message ...

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Tsk-tsk-tsk. I'm certain that you are not the only one who feels this

way,

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but seeing it written on screen and knowing that it came from an actual
person shocks me.

~Carol Ann
170/154/130

On Sat, 03 Jun 2006 12:45:01 GMT, "Carol Ann"
<[email hidden]> wrote:

|<snip>
|
|> To me, you're just a nobody whose life or death
|> would mean nothing to me since I don't know you from Adam. You could be
|> dying from cancer, and I probably would say something nice just to be
|> courteous, but since I don't know you from Adam, I probably wouldn't care
|> less.
|
|<snip>
|
|Tsk-tsk-tsk. I'm certain that you are not the only one who feels this way,
|but seeing it written on screen and knowing that it came from an actual
|person shocks me.
|
|~Carol Ann
|170/154/130

Carol Ann, it's only the social misfits who have no compassion for
other people in real life that would say on Usenet what MDS did. It's
the opposite of what you might think; we can often tell more about a
person from their usenet postings than from meeting them in person.
Typing anonymously removes the front that we each put up in
face-to-face conversations, IMO. Those of us who care about other
people in our lives also care about people that we connect with on
usenet.

"Marengo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

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we can often tell more about a
person from their usenet postings than from meeting them in person.
Typing anonymously removes the front that we each put up in
face-to-face conversations, IMO. Those of us who care about other
people in our lives also care about people that we connect with on
usenet.

Truer words were never spoken...

--
Sherry
364/290/195
LC since 4/4/05; eating LC but not for weight loss since 4/1/06

Marengo wrote:
:: On Sat, 03 Jun 2006 12:45:01 GMT, "Carol Ann"
:: <[email hidden]> wrote:
::
::: <snip>
:::
:::: To me, you're just a nobody whose life or death
:::: would mean nothing to me since I don't know you from Adam. You
:::: could be dying from cancer, and I probably would say something
:::: nice just to be courteous, but since I don't know you from Adam, I
:::: probably wouldn't care less.
:::
::: <snip>
:::
::: Tsk-tsk-tsk. I'm certain that you are not the only one who feels
::: this way, but seeing it written on screen and knowing that it came
::: from an actual person shocks me.
:::
::: ~Carol Ann
::: 170/154/130
::
:: Carol Ann, it's only the social misfits who have no compassion for
:: other people in real life that would say on Usenet what MDS did.
:: It's the opposite of what you might think; we can often tell more
:: about a person from their usenet postings than from meeting them in
:: person. Typing anonymously removes the front that we each put up in
:: face-to-face conversations, IMO. Those of us who care about other
:: people in our lives also care about people that we connect with on
:: usenet.

Exactly.

"Marengo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]

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Carol Ann said:

<snip>

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To me, you're just a nobody whose life or death
would mean nothing to me since I don't know you from Adam. You could be
dying from cancer, and I probably would say something nice just to be
courteous, but since I don't know you from Adam, I probably wouldn't
care
less.

<snip>

Tsk-tsk-tsk. I'm certain that you are not the only one who feels this
way,
but seeing it written on screen and knowing that it came from an actual
person shocks me.

~Carol Ann
170/154/130

Carol Ann, it's only the social misfits who have no compassion for
other people in real life that would say on Usenet what MDS did. It's
the opposite of what you might think; we can often tell more about a
person from their usenet postings than from meeting them in person.
Typing anonymously removes the front that we each put up in
face-to-face conversations, IMO. Those of us who care about other
people in our lives also care about people that we connect with on
usenet.

I care a great deal about the people I meet both on and off line. But, I'm
sure there are still many others who don't feel the same way.

I know a person who really couldn't understand WHY I opened up to the people
and cared about the people online. He and I used to argue about it ALLOT!!

He turned out to be quite a bad person.

~Carol Ann