To all the LA doubters

richie said:

just read in the online WSJ in an article on research on sports stars

la's heart is 20% larger than a normal persons
he produces one third less lactic acid than other top cyclists (goodness
knows how much less than the average rider then!)
he delivers oxygen to his legs at a rate higher than all but maybe 100
people on the planet

I wonder if his unusual biochemistry makes him more
susceptible to cancer. He's really a long series
of scientific papers just waiting to be written 🙂

You'd think it would all be genetic -- start testing
his children!!

Scott

And this resolves "doubt" exactly how?

Nearly all highly elite athletes not only work hard but have genetic
help. Sometimes this is obvious (Shaquille O'Neal is big, and agile
for a big man). Sometimes it is not (Ted Williams had extremely good
eyesight).

Mark Maguire was a big kid and a great hitter even before he started
drugs.

Lance is retired; he tested clean. That's all we know for sure.

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And this resolves "doubt" exactly how?

Nearly all highly elite athletes not only work hard but have genetic
help. Sometimes this is obvious (Shaquille O'Neal is big, and agile
for a big man). Sometimes it is not (Ted Williams had extremely good
eyesight).

Mark Maguire was a big kid and a great hitter even before he started
drugs.

That's purely speculation. All McGwire is known to have done is
androstenedione, which is NOT a drug, and was legal when he used it. Andro
doensn't work, anyway. Well, it doesn't work nearly as well as a real
steroid. It's a steroid precursor, which means it supposedly metabolizes
into deca-durabolin once taken. It's bogus. Is it possible he used steroids.
Sure. But only he knows for sure.

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Bob Dole said:

And this resolves "doubt" exactly how?

Nearly all highly elite athletes not only work hard but have genetic
help. Sometimes this is obvious (Shaquille O'Neal is big, and agile
for a big man). Sometimes it is not (Ted Williams had extremely good
eyesight).

Mark Maguire was a big kid and a great hitter even before he started
drugs.

True. Mark was always a pretty big guy. So was Barry Bonds. Both of
them started out pretty skinny, and ended up looking really mammoth.
Some people say Sammy Sosa doesn't look as big this year as last year
and his numbers are obviously down. Bonds has had injury problems and I
don't expect he'll be back to challenge Aaron's record. I may be wrong.

Gooserider said:

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And this resolves "doubt" exactly how?

Nearly all highly elite athletes not only work hard but have genetic
help. Sometimes this is obvious (Shaquille O'Neal is big, and agile
for a big man). Sometimes it is not (Ted Williams had extremely good
eyesight).

Mark Maguire was a big kid and a great hitter even before he started
drugs.

That's purely speculation. All McGwire is known to have done is
androstenedione, which is NOT a drug, and was legal when he used it.
Andro doensn't work, anyway. Well, it doesn't work nearly as well as
a real steroid. It's a steroid precursor, which means it supposedly
metabolizes into deca-durabolin once taken. It's bogus. Is it
possible he used steroids. Sure. But only he knows for sure.

The fact that he refused to deny taking them during his Senate testimony (or
was in House?) is a pretty good indication. (Well, that and the fact that
he's almost /diminutive/ now! LOL)

He was absolutely pathetic that day...embarrassing.

Bill "former fan of his, too" S.

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Gooserider said:

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And this resolves "doubt" exactly how?

Nearly all highly elite athletes not only work hard but have genetic
help. Sometimes this is obvious (Shaquille O'Neal is big, and agile
for a big man). Sometimes it is not (Ted Williams had extremely good
eyesight).

Mark Maguire was a big kid and a great hitter even before he started
drugs.

That's purely speculation. All McGwire is known to have done is
androstenedione, which is NOT a drug, and was legal when he used it.
Andro doensn't work, anyway. Well, it doesn't work nearly as well as
a real steroid. It's a steroid precursor, which means it supposedly
metabolizes into deca-durabolin once taken. It's bogus. Is it
possible he used steroids. Sure. But only he knows for sure.

The fact that he refused to deny taking them during his Senate testimony
(or was in House?) is a pretty good indication. (Well, that and the fact
that he's almost /diminutive/ now! LOL)

He was absolutely pathetic that day...embarrassing.

I agree that his testimony (or lack thereof) was very disheartening.
However, if it were me and I was forced by congress to "allegedly" defend
myself on something for which there is absolutely no evidence except for
what some mental midget wrote in a book, I'd have shown up and told congress
to shove it down their asses too.

Maybe he did it, maybe not. He certainly had a lot to lose by taking the
approach he did. But taking his testimony as proof positive that he took
steroids is downright irresponsible and exactly what congress wanted the
majority of sheep in this country to think. Congress willingly and
unnecessarily performed character assassination that day. If they truly
wanted to get to the truth, then investigate him. After all, we have this
third party FBI informant information where Mac's name came up. Go with it.
But no, congress would rather grandstand. I believe there's a reason Mac
isn't being investigated, but most people don't want to think about that.

That whole episode had far, far more to do with congress' self serving
agenda and their feud with baseball than it did with the real issue of
steroid use.

Your tax dollars at work, baby.

-gk-

Scott said:

I wonder if his unusual biochemistry makes him more
susceptible to cancer. He's really a long series
of scientific papers just waiting to be written 🙂

Check out his baby pics:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/2005/07/22/early.lance/content.1.html?cnn=yes

Freaky.

Dave
!

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Gooserider said:

"Bob Dole" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> And this resolves "doubt" exactly how?
>
> Nearly all highly elite athletes not only work hard but have
> genetic help. Sometimes this is obvious (Shaquille O'Neal is big,
> and agile for a big man). Sometimes it is not (Ted Williams had
> extremely good eyesight).
>
> Mark Maguire was a big kid and a great hitter even before he
> started drugs.

That's purely speculation. All McGwire is known to have done is
androstenedione, which is NOT a drug, and was legal when he used it.
Andro doensn't work, anyway. Well, it doesn't work nearly as well as
a real steroid. It's a steroid precursor, which means it supposedly
metabolizes into deca-durabolin once taken. It's bogus. Is it
possible he used steroids. Sure. But only he knows for sure.

The fact that he refused to deny taking them during his Senate
testimony (or was in House?) is a pretty good indication. (Well,
that and the fact that he's almost /diminutive/ now! LOL)

He was absolutely pathetic that day...embarrassing.

I agree that his testimony (or lack thereof) was very disheartening.
However, if it were me and I was forced by congress to "allegedly"
defend myself on something for which there is absolutely no evidence
except for what some mental midget wrote in a book, I'd have shown up
and told congress to shove it down their asses too.

But that's not what he did. He even evaded "soft ball" questions and
instead came off like a guilty, defensive, dishonest has-been. Highlight,
of course, was his "Steroids...is bad" line. Talk about a low point...

Quoted message said:

Maybe he did it, maybe not. He certainly had a lot to lose by taking
the approach he did. But taking his testimony as proof positive that
he took steroids is downright irresponsible and exactly what congress
wanted the majority of sheep in this country to think. Congress
willingly and unnecessarily performed character assassination that
day. If they truly wanted to get to the truth, then investigate him.
After all, we have this third party FBI informant information where
Mac's name came up. Go with it. But no, congress would rather
grandstand. I believe there's a reason Mac isn't being investigated,
but most people don't want to think about that.
That whole episode had far, far more to do with congress' self serving
agenda and their feud with baseball than it did with the real issue of
steroid use.

Your tax dollars at work, baby.

Agreed. Even the Balco (sp?) thing is fizzling out with plea bargains and
the like; no big "BUSTED!" headlines, just rumor and assumptions...

well if he produces one third less lactic acid than other top cyclists he
has a pretty significant advanatge for a start... that explains his top
climbing and time trial dominance perhaps

factor in a top team and technology and punishing training focussed solely
on the tdf
factor in finally the fact of having beaten cancer and premature death...
when the pain kicks in in the tdf perhaps la's final advantage is simply
being able to say "enjoy it.. you are alive!"

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Quoted message said:

And this resolves "doubt" exactly how?

Nearly all highly elite athletes not only work hard but have genetic
help. Sometimes this is obvious (Shaquille O'Neal is big, and agile
for a big man). Sometimes it is not (Ted Williams had extremely good
eyesight).

Mark Maguire was a big kid and a great hitter even before he started
drugs.

Lance is retired; he tested clean. That's all we know for sure.

He only knows for sure since he knows how to get away with it.
Jose Conseco did it. Mark McGweire did it. Sammy Sosa did it.
Why not Lance Armstrong?

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He only knows for sure since he knows how to get away with it.
Jose Conseco did it. Mark McGweire did it. Sammy Sosa did it.
Why not Lance Armstrong?

How about, because he isn't playing baseball?

As far as better living through pharmaceuticals, look at you.
Everytime you quit taking your meds, you start posting a bunch of
nonsense.

Now, be a good boy, turn yourself back in at the "special" hospital.

Life is Good!
Jeff

Jeff Starr said:

Quoted message said:

He only knows for sure since he knows how to get away with it.
Jose Conseco did it. Mark McGweire did it. Sammy Sosa did it.
Why not Lance Armstrong?

How about, because he isn't playing baseball?

And because some sports, including cycling, depend
on a certain balance. Steroids add a lot of useless
upper body strength. This is essentially dead
weight.

Come to think of it, why would anyone use steroids
for cycling anyway?