TK was exactly right. OT

Bill C said:

While just about everyone lined up and relentlessly hammered on him,
with just a few allowing they had some doubt, he was the one who was
right on the money.
Hope he doesn't hold his breathe waiting for folks to admit being
mistaken, since I happen to like having him around.

http://tinyurl.com/6mnu2p

New study to force ministers to review climate change planExclusive
Official review admits biofuel role in food crisis
Julian Borger and John Vidal The Guardian, Thursday June 19 2008
Article historyBritain and Europe will be forced to fundamentally
rethink a central part of their environment strategy after a
government report found that the rush to develop biofuels has played a
"significant" role in the dramatic rise in global food prices, which
has left 100 million more people without enough to eat.

That biofuels are a two-edged sword was never disputed. Tom way
saying that the whole global warming thing is a myth and that human
activity has no effect on the planet's climate. So I'm not sure why
you're awarding the medal...

R

"RicodJour" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
| On Jun 19, 9:36 am, Bill C <[email hidden]> wrote:
| > While just about everyone lined up and relentlessly hammered on him,
| > with just a few allowing they had some doubt, he was the one who was
| > right on the money.
| > Hope he doesn't hold his breathe waiting for folks to admit being
| > mistaken, since I happen to like having him around.
| >
| > http://tinyurl.com/6mnu2p
| >
| > New study to force ministers to review climate change planExclusive
| > Official review admits biofuel role in food crisis
| > Julian Borger and John Vidal The Guardian, Thursday June 19 2008
| > Article historyBritain and Europe will be forced to fundamentally
| > rethink a central part of their environment strategy after a
| > government report found that the rush to develop biofuels has played a
| > "significant" role in the dramatic rise in global food prices, which
| > has left 100 million more people without enough to eat.
|
| That biofuels are a two-edged sword was never disputed. Tom way
| saying that the whole global warming thing is a myth and that human
| activity has no effect on the planet's climate. So I'm not sure why
| you're awarding the medal...
|
| R

Agreed. Biofuels, when not derived from waste product, are an abomination
and an insult to humanity. The idea that it's more important to feed our
cars than our mouths... what could be more absurd? And not only do the
economics not work out, but it's tough to show that you're actually gaining
energy too, after you factor in everything that goes into growing crops.

But as you say, what does this have to do with awarding points to TK? His
attitude is simply that global warming itself is a myth. The only reason
he'd care about biofuels is if it puts cheaper gas into his tank. Not that
there's anything wrong with that concept, to a point.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

Bill C said:

RicodJour said:

That biofuels are a two-edged sword was never disputed.  Tom way
saying that the whole global warming thing is a myth and that human
activity has no effect on the planet's climate.  So I'm not sure why
you're awarding the medal...

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The biofuels, and their effect on food production were a seperate
discussion.

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Dumbass -

You want to give that moron a medal for that conclusion?

It's a given: if corn is used for a non-food purpose, there will be
less corn for food. Duh.

And no, I don't support corn based ethanol subsidies.

thanks,

K. Gringioni.

Kurgan Gringioni said:

Bill C said:

On Jun 19, 9:47 am, RicodJour <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

That biofuels are a two-edged sword was never disputed. Tom way
saying that the whole global warming thing is a myth and that human
activity has no effect on the planet's climate. So I'm not sure why
you're awarding the medal...

Quoted message said:

The biofuels, and their effect on food production were a seperate
discussion.

You want to give that moron a medal for that conclusion?

It's a given: if corn is used for a non-food purpose, there will be
less corn for food. Duh.

And no, I don't support corn based ethanol subsidies.

You're getting soft in your old age. I don't support corn based corn
subsidies, corn fed beef, beef fed beef and lots of other it-seemed-
like-a-good-idea-at-the-time idiocies.

R

Kurgan Gringioni said:

And no, I don't support corn based ethanol subsidies.

You don't have a choice but to support them.

I support afternoon training rides, but not willingly.

RicodJour said:

Kurgan Gringioni said:

Bill C said:

On Jun 19, 9:47 am, RicodJour <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> That biofuels are a two-edged sword was never disputed.  Tom way
> saying that the whole global warming thing is a myth and that human
> activity has no effect on the planet's climate.  So I'm not sure why
> you're awarding the medal...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The biofuels, and their effect on food production were a seperate
discussion.

Quoted message said:

You want to give that moron a medal for that conclusion?

Quoted message said:

It's a given: if corn is used for a non-food purpose, there will be
less corn for food. Duh.

Quoted message said:

And no, I don't support corn based ethanol subsidies.

You're getting soft in your old age.  I don't support corn based corn
subsidies, corn fed beef, beef fed beef and lots of other it-seemed-
like-a-good-idea-at-the-time idiocies.

Could I get you to support killing piggies and destroying crops? Such
policies grow the middle class.

Could I get you to support "old"-age retirement benefits? You know,
if less people are producing, then more will be produced. That will
grow the middle class.

Less is more, you know.

"War is Peace. Freedom is Slavery. Ignorance is Strength."
--- George Orwell, "1984"

RicodJour said:

That biofuels are a two-edged sword was never disputed.

It was made light of.

SLAVE of THE STATE said:

"War is Peace. Freedom is Slavery. Ignorance is Strength."
--- George Orwell, "1984"

"Cadence is a red herring."
--- Benjamin Franklin

SLAVE of THE STATE said:

RicodJour said:

On Jun 19, 2:42 pm, Kurgan Gringioni <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

On Jun 19, 10:23 am, Bill C <[email hidden]> wrote:
> On Jun 19, 9:47 am, RicodJour <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > That biofuels are a two-edged sword was never disputed. Tom way
> > saying that the whole global warming thing is a myth and that human
> > activity has no effect on the planet's climate. So I'm not sure why
> > you're awarding the medal...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> The biofuels, and their effect on food production were a seperate
> discussion.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

You want to give that moron a medal for that conclusion?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

It's a given: if corn is used for a non-food purpose, there will be
less corn for food. Duh.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

And no, I don't support corn based ethanol subsidies.

Quoted message said:

You're getting soft in your old age. I don't support corn based corn
subsidies, corn fed beef, beef fed beef and lots of other it-seemed-
like-a-good-idea-at-the-time idiocies.

Could I get you to support killing piggies and destroying crops? Such
policies grow the middle class.

If you're talking about killing my toes, no. If you're talking about
reducing the cultivated biomass, yes. Too many people anyway.

Quoted message said:

Could I get you to support "old"-age retirement benefits? You know,
if less people are producing, then more will be produced. That will
grow the middle class.

You could get me to support Logan's Run-esque culling of the naked ape
herd.

Quoted message said:

Less is more, you know.

You're telling this to a group of bike racing dweebs, whose idea of
physical perfection looks much like it walked out of Auschwitz, and
who obsess over extra grams of weight on their bikes? Why?

R

On Jun 19, 3:30 pm, Bob Schwartz <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

SLAVE of THE STATE said:

"War is Peace. Freedom is Slavery. Ignorance is Strength."
--- George Orwell, "1984"

"Cadence is a red herring."
--- Benjamin Franklin

Cadence was the only quasi-acceptable Charlie Sheen movie.
- me

R

RicodJour said:

Bill C said:

While just about everyone lined up and relentlessly hammered on him,
with just a few allowing they had some doubt, he was the one who was
right on the money.
Hope he doesn't hold his breathe waiting for folks to admit being
mistaken, since I happen to like having him around.

http://tinyurl.com/6mnu2p

New study to force ministers to review climate change planExclusive
Official review admits biofuel role in food crisis
Julian Borger and John Vidal The Guardian, Thursday June 19 2008
Article historyBritain and Europe will be forced to fundamentally
rethink a central part of their environment strategy after a
government report found that the rush to develop biofuels has played a
"significant" role in the dramatic rise in global food prices, which
has left 100 million more people without enough to eat.

That biofuels are a two-edged sword was never disputed. Tom way
saying that the whole global warming thing is a myth and that human
activity has no effect on the planet's climate. So I'm not sure why
you're awarding the medal...

Tom's not always wrong, but he too frequently adopts a shotgun approach.
Throws a whole bunch of arguments out at once, then switches back and
forth between them.

Every month or so, Bill comes across something that validates one of
Tom's thousands of arguments. Then he gets confused and thinks it
validates them all. Or something, I don't get it.

Fred Fredburger said:

Every month or so, Bill comes across something that validates one of
Tom's thousands of arguments. Then he gets confused and thinks it
validates them all. Or something, I don't get it.

If the we-meme operates strongly enough, then confusion is not erased
but automatically bypassed.

SLAVE of THE STATE said:

RicodJour said:

That biofuels are a two-edged sword was never disputed.

It was made light of.

Kun-Kun claimed that greenies wanted to fight global
warming by taking drastic measures that would genocidally
kill off many people in the third world. Eventually, I think he
explained that this would happen because greenies ->
biofuels -> increase in crop prices. Since biofuels are
neither a serious proposed solution to global warming nor
particularly beloved by greenies anymore (ADM,
Supermarket to the World likes them though), this had an
definite whiff of the Chewbacca Defense.

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/msg/3ab7886166c64ad1
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/msg/bab7a46983dcaf1c

Ben

SLAVE of THE STATE said:

I support afternoon training rides, but not willingly.

As a sponsor at least you don't need to worry about your image
if your primates train on enhanced mineral water.

On 6/19/08 9:47 AM, in article [email hidden],

Mike Jacoubowsky said:

"RicodJour" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
| On Jun 19, 9:36 am, Bill C <[email hidden]> wrote:
| > While just about everyone lined up and relentlessly hammered on him,
| > with just a few allowing they had some doubt, he was the one who was
| > right on the money.
| > Hope he doesn't hold his breathe waiting for folks to admit being
| > mistaken, since I happen to like having him around.
| >
| > http://tinyurl.com/6mnu2p
| >
| > New study to force ministers to review climate change planExclusive
| > Official review admits biofuel role in food crisis
| > Julian Borger and John Vidal The Guardian, Thursday June 19 2008
| > Article historyBritain and Europe will be forced to fundamentally
| > rethink a central part of their environment strategy after a
| > government report found that the rush to develop biofuels has played a
| > "significant" role in the dramatic rise in global food prices, which
| > has left 100 million more people without enough to eat.
|
| That biofuels are a two-edged sword was never disputed. Tom way
| saying that the whole global warming thing is a myth and that human
| activity has no effect on the planet's climate. So I'm not sure why
| you're awarding the medal...
|
| R

Agreed. Biofuels, when not derived from waste product, are an abomination
and an insult to humanity. The idea that it's more important to feed our
cars than our mouths... what could be more absurd? And not only do the
economics not work out, but it's tough to show that you're actually gaining
energy too, after you factor in everything that goes into growing crops.

But as you say, what does this have to do with awarding points to TK? His
attitude is simply that global warming itself is a myth. The only reason
he'd care about biofuels is if it puts cheaper gas into his tank. Not that
there's anything wrong with that concept, to a point.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

You guys are so full of [censored] and yourselves!

HE SAID... (and I agreed) "This biofuels [censored] is gonna take all the corn the
USA gives to feed the worlds hungry and they are gonna starve!!!"

ST said:

HE SAID... (and I agreed) "This biofuels [censored] is gonna take all the corn the
USA gives to feed the worlds hungry and they are gonna starve!!!"

That's only part of it. The rest of the world is going to plow under
their crops, plant corn and make ethanol and starve themselves. That
should take some of the guilt off of the fat white guys and put it on
some fat black guys. I feel ever so much better!

R

SLAVE of THE STATE said:

Fred Fredburger said:

Every month or so, Bill comes across something that validates one of
Tom's thousands of arguments. Then he gets confused and thinks it
validates them all. Or something, I don't get it.

If the we-meme operates strongly enough, then confusion is not erased
but automatically bypassed.

Yep. Works that way with the them-meme too, though.

Kurgan Gringioni said:

Bill C said:

On Jun 19, 9:47 am, RicodJour <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

That biofuels are a two-edged sword was never disputed.  Tom way
saying that the whole global warming thing is a myth and that human
activity has no effect on the planet's climate.  So I'm not sure why
you're awarding the medal...

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The biofuels, and their effect on food production were a seperate
discussion.

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Dumbass -

You want to give that moron a medal for that conclusion?

thanks,

K. Gringioni.

Nah, I want to give a Bill Engvall "Here's your sign." to all the
folks who argued he was an idiot for even suggesting it might be a
problem. It's pretty rare when TK is right on the money, but he could
point out that the road we're riding on is basically black, and
usually rational folks would line up to say he's wrong.
I was in the "We'll have to see camp, I'm not sure." because
historically the problem has not been a lack of food, it's been one of
distribution, transport, and politics. I'm still not sure that ethanol
is sucking off enough of the excess production (Our govt. is still
paying folks to NOT grow crops) to cause a disaster. I'd guess a much
bigger problem is the cost spikes due to the cost of oil. Modern
farming, and transport, is incredibly dependent on petroleum and it's
price.
It's easier to go after biofuels than the folks producing the oil,
and the huge national taxes most places that are on top of that.
Bill C

Bill C said:

Nah, I want to give a Bill Engvall "Here's your sign." to all the
folks who argued he was an idiot for even suggesting it might be a
problem.p of that.

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Wanted to exclude Howard from that group though. What TK gets back
from him is what he's asked for. Just the fact that Howard "is" seems
to send Tom off the deep end.
Bill C