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  1. Does anyone know if there is a reliable source for information about which tires have the highest
    and lowest rolling resistance on a dry, hard surface? Is there a quantified scale that's recognized
    for measuring this? I'm assuming, from comments in a couple of threads, that differences exist, but
    is personal experience the only guide to the subject?

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  2. Here's one rolling resistance test:

    graph: terrymorse.comrolres.gif

    discussion: terrymorse.comrrdiscuss.html

    "Werehatrack" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Does anyone know if there is a reliable source for information about which tires have the highest
    and lowest rolling resistance on a dry, hard surface? Is there a quantified scale that's
    recognized for measuring this? I'm assuming, from comments in a couple of threads, that
    differences exist, but is personal experience the only guide to the subject?

    --
    My email address is antispammed; pull WEEDS if replying via e-mail. Yes, I have a killfile. If I
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  3. Werehatrack said:


    Does anyone know if there is a reliable source for information about which tires have the highest
    and lowest rolling resistance on a dry, hard surface? Is there a quantified scale that's
    recognized for measuring this? I'm assuming, from comments in a couple of threads, that
    differences exist, but is personal experience the only guide to the subject?

    If you're looking for really high rolling resistance, try Cheng Shin
    26x2.25 tires. They last forever, and are the slowest tire by far that I've ever seen. Going to dept
    store MTB tires gained me 3mph.
    --
    Ron Hardin [email hidden]

    On the internet, nobody knows you're a jerk.

  4. Quoted message said:

    Here's one rolling resistance test:

    graph: terrymorse.comrolres.gif

    discussion: terrymorse.comrrdiscuss.html

    Yes, but I don't know that a single tire listed in that test is in production anymore. It would be
    interesting to see an updated test using the same criteria but current models, so we could verify
    (or not) claims that newer designs roll easier, and compare differences between standard carbon
    black and the various silica treat compounds.

    --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles chainreactionbicycles.comchainreactionbicycles.com

  5. Mike Jacoubowsky said:

    Yes, but I don't know that a single tire listed in that test is in production anymore. It would be
    interesting to see an updated test using the same criteria but current models, so we could verify
    (or not) claims that newer designs roll easier, and compare differences between standard carbon
    black and the various silica treat compounds.

    There was a similar test in a local cycling mag earlier this year, with road tyres currently on
    market. The test setup was similar, ie. a steel drum with the tyre mounted against it with a
    constant weight, and then letting the tyre coast down from a constant velocity and measuring the
    distance. I don't have the mag myself, but IIRC there were a few problems with the test.

    AFAIK the tyres were only tested with a single pressure. I don't remember if they used the same
    pressure for tyres of different width. This would obviously be a problem, as narrow tyres can, and
    are intended to be used with a higher pressure.

    Also, unfortunately different tyres were not tested with the same inner tubes, which makes it a bit
    unclear if they were trying to test the properties of the tyres, the tubes or neither. Ideally, if
    you had a set of tyres and a set of tubes, you could test each tyre with each tube. Of course this
    would be quite labourous, but you would get good data about both the tubes and the tyres by
    calculatating averages from the test results of each tyre and tube.

    I'll try to find the mag, or perhaps somebody else could post the results here?

    -as

  6. "Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Here's one rolling resistance test:

    graph: terrymorse.comrolres.gif

    discussion: terrymorse.comrrdiscuss.html

    Yes, but I don't know that a single tire listed in that test is in production anymore. It would be
    interesting to see an updated test using the same criteria but current models, so we could verify
    (or not) claims that newer designs roll easier, and compare differences between standard carbon
    black and the various silica treat compounds.

    --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles chainreactionbicycles.comchainreactionbicycles.com


    Are you saying that the *new* korean made, all black Avocet Fasgrip SL 700x25 is different than the
    older japanese made, black/tan sidewall Avocet Fasgrip 30 700x28 that was tested? Other than
    correcting the labeling (the older Fasgrip 30 was inaccurately labeled 700x28, actually measured
    between 24-26mm wide), Avocet claims they are the same tire!

    Also, isn't the major difference between carbon black and silica treated tires is that carbon black
    tires are suppose to handle better in wet conditions? Its my understanding there was no difference
    in rolling resistance.

    Maybe Jobst can pull out that old drum roller he used and retest *todays* tires.

  7. "Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    | > Here's one rolling resistance test:
    | >
    | > graph: terrymorse.comrolres.gif
    | >
    | > discussion: terrymorse.comrrdiscuss.html
    |
    | Yes, but I don't know that a single tire listed in that test is in production anymore. It would be
    | interesting to see an updated test using the same criteria but current models, so we could verify
    | (or not) claims that newer designs roll easier, and compare differences between standard carbon
    | black and the various silica treat compounds.
    |
    | --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles chainreactionbicycles.comchainreactionbicycles.com
    |
    |

    Don't know how reliable the source is, but here is another link to some rolling resistance values:
    airfreetires.comRollingResistance.asp

    Jean

  8. "Werehatrack" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Ron Hardin may have said:

    If you're looking for really high rolling resistance, try Cheng Shin
    26x2.25 tires. They last forever, and are the slowest tire by far that I've ever seen. Going to
    dept store MTB tires gained me 3mph.

    Considering the rep that Cheng Shin has in the farm equipment and small specialty market, I think
    I can understand why.

    I think they make scooter, wheelbarrow, dolly, and some motorcycle tires.

    Imagine a high-performance racing wheelbarrow tire.

    --
    Phil, Squid-in-Training

  9. "Phil, Squid-in-Training" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    I think they make scooter, wheelbarrow, dolly, and some motorcycle tires.

    Imagine a high-performance racing wheelbarrow tire.

    --
    Phil, Squid-in-Training

    Cheng Shin is making high performance motorcycle tires these days, marketed under the Maxxis brand.
    Apparently, in back to back testing by magazine guys, they actually are considered pretty decent
    tires. They may not be knocking off Dunlop anytime soon, but they're not laughable apparently.

    Cheers,

    Scott..

  10. bfd said:

    Are you saying that the *new* korean made, all black Avocet Fasgrip SL 700x25 is different than
    the older japanese made, black/tan sidewall Avocet Fasgrip 30 700x28 that was tested? Other than
    correcting the labeling (the older Fasgrip 30 was inaccurately labeled 700x28, actually measured
    between 24-26mm wide), Avocet claims they are the same tire!

    IIRC, the old Avocet Fasgrip 700 x 28 had 66 tpi; the new 700 x 25 has 127 tpi.

    Art Harris

  11. Squid-in-Training' may have said:


    "Werehatrack" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Ron Hardin may have said:

    If you're looking for really high rolling resistance, try Cheng Shin
    26x2.25 tires. They last forever, and are the slowest tire by far that I've ever seen. Going to
    dept store MTB tires gained me 3mph.

    Considering the rep that Cheng Shin has in the farm equipment and small specialty market, I think
    I can understand why.

    I think they make scooter, wheelbarrow, dolly, and some motorcycle tires.

    Imagine a high-performance racing wheelbarrow tire.

    Well, there are racing bar stools, so why not a racing wheelbarrow? (This sounds like something that
    would be done at the MIT ag school, if they had one.)

    --
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  12. Phil said:

    "Werehatrack" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Ron Hardin may have said:

    If you're looking for really high rolling resistance, try Cheng Shin
    26x2.25 tires. They last forever, and are the slowest tire by far that I've ever seen. Going to
    dept store MTB tires gained me 3mph.

    Considering the rep that Cheng Shin has in the farm equipment and small specialty market, I think
    I can understand why.

    I think they make scooter, wheelbarrow, dolly, and some motorcycle tires.

    Imagine a high-performance racing wheelbarrow tire.

    --
    Phil, Squid-in-Training


    I used to run 'em on dirt motorcycles -- they were really cheap. Boy was I amazed at much better I
    became when I switched to Dunlop (instantly better 🙂).

    David

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