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  1. "Do say: The difference between a cyclist who wears a helmet and one
    who doesn't is the difference between taking an aspirin and having to
    relearn the power of speech."

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,7-1914632,00.html

    Though earlier they are careful in their phrasing:

    "Actually, in certain impact situations cycle helmets can significantly
    reduce the risk of serious injury . . ."

    Interestingly, David Cameron sometimes wears one and sometimes doesn't.
    He's often photographed with it on his handlebars, so on a single
    journey he changes.

    Hopefully this will be a strong voice for the anti-compulsion side.

  2. iakobski said:

    "Do say: The difference between a cyclist who wears a helmet and one
    who doesn't is the difference between taking an aspirin and having to
    relearn the power of speech."

    Yes, some of the comments I get about not wearing a helmet do leave me
    speechless!

    --
    Tony

    "The best way I know of to win an argument is to start by being in the
    right."
    - Lord Hailsham

  3. in message <[email hidden]>,

    iakobski (') said:

    "Do say: The difference between a cyclist who wears a helmet and one
    who doesn't is the difference between taking an aspirin and having to
    relearn the power of speech."

    Well, that's possibly true, in some cases. The problem is that, until the
    accident has happened, we can't know whether it's the cyclist with the
    helmet, or the cyclist without one, who will need to relearn the power
    of speech.

    Quoted message said:

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,7-1914632,00.html

    Though earlier they are careful in their phrasing:

    "Actually, in certain impact situations cycle helmets can significantly
    reduce the risk of serious injury . . ."

    Which is true, of course.

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

    ;; All in all you're just another hick in the mall
    -- Drink C'lloid

  4. "iakobski" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Do say: The difference between a cyclist who wears a helmet and one
    who doesn't is the difference between taking an aspirin and having to
    relearn the power of speech."

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,7-1914632,00.html


    What a strange article. Is it supposed to be incisive political comment or
    something, or just rather silly?

  5. Rich said:

    What a strange article. Is it supposed to be incisive political comment or
    something, or just rather silly?

    Just silly. It reads exactly like Pass Notes in the Guardian (Which
    disappeared a few months back). It would appear that a new home has been
    found!

    Jon

  6. On 9 Dec 2005 07:34:53 -0800, "iakobski" <[email hidden]> said
    in <[email hidden]>:

    Quoted message said:

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,7-1914632,00.html

    Ah, the redolent odour of reheated stale [censored].

    I replied, of course:

    Re "Pass Notes: Cycle Helmets"

    As HL Mencken memorably put it, to every complex problem there is a
    solution which is simple, neat and wrong.

    The obsessive-compulsives have apparently fed you their usual line and
    steered you away from the uncomfortable truth, acknowledged by David
    Jamieson as Road Safety Minister, that there is no known case where
    cyclist safety has improved with increasing helmet use.

    Of course, you could always continue with the absurd fiction that 3/4"
    of polystyrene is sufficient to ward off a speeding car, but I advise
    you not to test this with anything that matters. Your shiny new PC in
    its packaging won't fare any better than your head. The smart money
    is on reading Cyclecraft, adopting the new National Standards for
    adult cycle training, riding well and avoiding the collision in the
    first place.

    The comment "Do say: The difference between a cyclist who wears a
    helmet and one who doesn’t is the difference between taking an aspirin
    and having to relearn the power of speech." is preposterous and
    unsupportable. No cycle helmet in the world is designed to prevent
    injuries of that scale (have you really not checked the standards?).
    The scary "brain injuries" about which so much is made are, in any
    case, mostly simple concussions.

    The major source of serious and fatal cyclist head injury is impact
    with motor vehicles (usually the driver's fault, by the way). The
    forces produced typically exceed the rated capacity of Formula 1 motor
    racing helmets. Cycle helmets are designed for low-speed falls not
    involving any other vehicles - a type of incident whose only long-term
    effect is generally increased wisdom.

    The evidence which underpins helmet use is of the same type which
    confidently predicted that combined hormone replacement therapy
    protects women against heart disease (on investigation the opposite
    turns out to be true). The largest study ever conducted, covering
    eight million cyclist injuries, showed a small but significant
    *increase* in fatality rates and no effect on head injuries.

    In New Zealand, helmet use more than doubled in a single year from
    under 45% to over 95%. Looking at a chart of the head injury rate
    over this period it is impossible to discern in which year this
    happened - and indeed impossible to tell the difference between the
    trends for pedestrians and cyclists.

    Finally, despite helmet use being very low in the UK, fewer than one
    in three cyclists hospitalised suffer a head injury (compared with 45%
    of pedestrians).

    You are being manipulated by a small coterie of zealots into pushing
    their agenda for compulsion. The best one can say about the effect of
    compulsion is that in some countries it hasn't done much harm -
    although in those countries where helmet use has been enforced it is
    generally acknowledged as a public health own-goal, with more people
    giving up cycling than taking up helmet wearing.

    All this and more is documented at http://www.cyclehelmets.org - the
    evidence persuaded me, I hope it will persuade you.

    Guy
    --
    http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk

    "To every complex problem there is a solution which is
    simple, neat and wrong" - HL Mencken

  7. "Tony Raven" <[email hidden]> wrote

    [snip]

    Quoted message said:


    "The best way I know of to win an argument is to start by being in


    the

    Quoted message said:

    right."
    - Lord Hailsham

    Ah yes, I remember him from my youth. The Tories always have a few
    people well known for cycling. He was one of them. Sound fellow.
    Never wore a bike helmet in his life, I imagine

    Jeremy Parker

  8. iakobski said:

    "Do say: The difference between a cyclist who wears a helmet and one
    who doesn't is the difference between taking an aspirin and having to
    relearn the power of speech."

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,7-1914632,00.html

    I thought the most accurate paragraph was the first one.

    "those glorified polystyrene bowls that wobbly businessmen on silly
    fold-up bikes wear in the mistaken belief that they will stop them
    getting squashed by a juggernaut?"

    Other than the suggestion the folders are silly of course.

    Iain

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