Times article

Colin McKenzie said:

The point about these incidents is that people stupid enough to do
them will not often think of the idea for themselves.

.... and these persons are regular "Times" readers?

I heard a rumour that drivers throw litter too! Shocking!

First of all, the majority of people who have energy drinks from throw-
away bottles are not even sports people. We tend to bulk-buy the
powder and put it in our re-usable bottles. I don't know a bottle with
only a single serving in it then throws it away.

I hate this 'cycling is bad for the environment' too. Yes it uses co2
to make bikes, the food we eat, what we wear and all that heavy
breathing but add it all up and you are still better off on a bike
than in a car. Don't forget it takes more co2 to make a car, more co2
to run it and more co2 to process the fuel. Cycling is far better for
the environment than watching TV with a beer. Plus the fact we use
less co2 in our daily lives because we don't get out of breath doing
things as simple as walking up stairs.

I can never roam the streets of Paris again because it has a name too
similar to this hideous man,

Rant over. I feel better now.

On 27/12/2007 23:29, Sir Jeremy said,

Quoted message said:

And if he'd suggested decapitating 4x4 drivers you'd agree with him?

Of course not - where on earth do you get that idea from? Surely not
because I omitted 4x4 drivers from my short list of examples?

--
Paul Boyd
http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/

Nat said:

I heard a rumour that drivers throw litter too! Shocking!

First of all, the majority of people who have energy drinks from throw-
away bottles are not even sports people. We tend to bulk-buy the
powder and put it in our re-usable bottles. I don't know a bottle with
only a single serving in it then throws it away.

I hate this 'cycling is bad for the environment' too. Yes it uses co2
to make bikes, the food we eat, what we wear and all that heavy
breathing but add it all up and you are still better off on a bike
than in a car. Don't forget it takes more co2 to make a car, more co2
to run it and more co2 to process the fuel. Cycling is far better for
the environment than watching TV with a beer. Plus the fact we use
less co2 in our daily lives because we don't get out of breath doing
things as simple as walking up stairs.

I can never roam the streets of Paris again because it has a name too
similar to this hideous man,

Rant over. I feel better now.

Some of the comments approve of placing wire at eyeball-height.

These people are out there- those whose hatred of cyclists spills over
into slicing faces open, and parris is pandering to them and
legitimising such acts.

A number of reports of incitement have been made to Tower Hamlets
police, where Parris has a house, I understand.

On 28/12/2007 11:24, Nat said,

Quoted message said:

First of all, the majority of people who have energy drinks from throw-
away bottles are not even sports people. We tend to bulk-buy the
powder and put it in our re-usable bottles. I don't know a bottle with
only a single serving in it then throws it away.

I was thinking much the same. Perhaps if Mr Parris stepped foot outside
London and toddled up Ben Nevis or Snowdon he would be suggesting that
all walkers should be decapitated for dropping litter, because the
amount of litter in the countryside to areas /generally/ inaccessible to
cyclists is appalling. As you say, are there even "single-use" drinks
that cyclists would use?

--
Paul Boyd
http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/

Paul Boyd said:

On 28/12/2007 11:24, Nat said,

Quoted message said:

First of all, the majority of people who have energy drinks from throw-
away bottles are not even sports people. We tend to bulk-buy the
powder and put it in our re-usable bottles. I don't know a bottle with
only a single serving in it then throws it away.

I was thinking much the same.  Perhaps if Mr Parris stepped foot outside
London and toddled up Ben Nevis or Snowdon he would be suggesting that
all walkers should be decapitated for dropping litter, because the
amount of litter in the countryside to areas /generally/ inaccessible to
cyclists is appalling.  As you say, are there even "single-use" drinks
that cyclists would use?

--
Paul Boydhttp://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/

Someone dumped a three piece suite, fridge freezer and a mattress
stained with....something on my road in East London.

I guess the fly-tipper must have had one of those Chinook bicycle
thingumibobs...

Chris Eilbeck <[email hidden]>typed

Quoted message said:

Helen Deborah Vecht wrote:

Quoted message said:

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Simon Brooke <[email hidden]>typed

Quoted message said:

Still, inciting murder is a pretty extreme response; and I simply do not
believe that, over all, cyclists litter disproportionately.

I don't think they do, either. Where I live, there's much litter and
virtually no cyclists.

Quoted message said:

Does a lot of it have McD's logos on it? There's so much more rubbish
around the streets here since they came to town.

No. McD's are a dying breed here. Two outlets have closed locally fairly
recently. There are *many* other fast food joints.

Maybe the local Hindus don't eat much beef.

--
Helen D. Vecht: [email hidden]
Edgware.

In article <[email hidden]>, Jeff York
[email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

Colin McKenzie said:

The point about these incidents is that people stupid enough to do
them will not often think of the idea for themselves.

... and these persons are regular "Times" readers?

If not already, then soon, as the content seems to be slipping to Daily
Wail standards.

Chris Eilbeck said:

Helen Deborah Vecht said:

Simon Brooke <[email hidden]>typed

Quoted message said:

Still, inciting murder is a pretty extreme response; and I simply do not
believe that, over all, cyclists litter disproportionately.

I don't think they do, either. Where I live, there's much litter and
virtually no cyclists.

Does a lot of it have McD's logos on it? There's so much more rubbish
around the streets here since they came to town.

Do you blame the supplier, or the customer, for the litter?

--
Matt B

Matt B said:

Chris Eilbeck said:

Helen Deborah Vecht said:

Simon Brooke <[email hidden]>typed

> Still, inciting murder is a pretty extreme response; and I simply do
> not believe that, over all, cyclists litter disproportionately.
I don't think they do, either. Where I live, there's much litter and
virtually no cyclists.

Does a lot of it have McD's logos on it? There's so much more rubbish
around the streets here since they came to town.

Do you blame the supplier, or the customer, for the litter?

I dunno. Which do you think could be the problem?

Chris Eilbeck said:

Matt B said:

Chris Eilbeck said:

Helen Deborah Vecht wrote:

> Simon Brooke <[email hidden]>typed
>
>
>> Still, inciting murder is a pretty extreme response; and I simply do
>> not believe that, over all, cyclists litter disproportionately.
> I don't think they do, either. Where I live, there's much litter and
> virtually no cyclists.
Does a lot of it have McD's logos on it? There's so much more rubbish
around the streets here since they came to town.

Do you blame the supplier, or the customer, for the litter?

I dunno. Which do you think could be the problem?

We certainly have to each take responsibility for our own actions. To
suggest that the supplier may be to blame, provides an excuse for
anti-social behaviour. Another tactic is to collectively blame /all/
users of a product, including those who act responsibly, and administer
a group punishment.

--
Matt B

Rob Morley said:

In article <[email hidden]>, Jeff York
[email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

Colin McKenzie said:

The point about these incidents is that people stupid enough to do
them will not often think of the idea for themselves.

... and these persons are regular "Times" readers?

If not already, then soon, as the content seems to be slipping to Daily
Wail standards.

Harsh... But fair.

Funny, I thought News International were meant to be pro-cycling...

"Launch of Cycle to Work Scheme
1 May 2007
As part of our campaign to become carbon neutral, we are trying to
reduce the impact of commuting on the environment.

Many people already cycle to work, but we want to encourage even more
News International employees to get on their bikes..."

Someone ought to tell Mr Parris...

Rob

Quoted message said:

Funny, I thought News International were meant to be pro-cycling...

"Launch of Cycle to Work Scheme
1 May 2007
As part of our campaign to become carbon neutral, we are trying to
reduce the impact of commuting on the environment.

Many people already cycle to work, but we want to encourage even more
News International employees to get on their bikes..."

Someone ought to tell Mr Parris...

Is Matthew Parris a mere minion of Rupert?

I thought him more likely to be an independent contractor who never
needs to darken the approaches to Wapping in this age of the
information superhighway.

Rob Morley said:

In article <54b2303a-85db-4214-a649-20db4336b434
@v32g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>, Sir Jeremy

says... On 27 Dec said:

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In article <750287a5-76c3-4e75-8725-
[email hidden]>, Sir Jeremy
[email hidden] says...

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> What's astonishing about it?

Quoted message said:

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Incitement to criminal acts that could result in the death of an
innocent victim, perhaps.  [censored].

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Make that "thin-skinned, paranoid and thick as pig [censored]" then

[censored].

[censored]

DavidR said:

"Sir Jeremy" <[email hidden]> wrote

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And if he'd suggested decapitating 4x4 drivers you'd agree with him?

When a practical method can be found...

Quick, quick contact the Daily Wail - Cyclist suggests executing 4X4
drivers.....

"Tim Steele" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

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Have you read this astonishing article?

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/matthew_parris/article3097464.ece

If you feel as I do a letter to the Times (or filling in the comment form)
might help.

Tim

Copied from today CTC Newsletter!
Times of good cheer

Times columnist Matthew Parris hasn’t contributed to the season of goodwill
with this poisonous article advocating the lynching and decapitation of
cyclists. The sort of unprovoked tactics advocated by Parris really do get
used to endanger cyclists’ lives, and are noticeably on the increase. Forget
the letters page – a better plan is probably to write to James Harding, who
took over as editor of the Times earlier this month, urging him to rule this
sort of article completely off-limits in his paper.

"fred2" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

"Tim Steele" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Have you read this astonishing article?

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/matthew_parris/article3097464.ece

If you feel as I do a letter to the Times (or filling in the comment
form) might help.

Tim

Copied from today CTC Newsletter!
Times of good cheer

Times columnist Matthew Parris hasn’t contributed to the season of
goodwill with this poisonous article advocating the lynching and
decapitation of cyclists. The sort of unprovoked tactics advocated by
Parris really do get used to endanger cyclists’ lives, and are noticeably
on the increase. Forget the letters page – a better plan is probably to
write to James Harding, who took over as editor of the Times earlier this
month, urging him to rule this sort of article completely off-limits in
his paper.

Sorry, here is his E-mail address.

[email hidden]

"fred2" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

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Sorry, here is his E-mail address.

[email hidden]

Thanks for the address Tim, my contribution:

"Dear Mr Harding,

The above article contains incitement to violence against cyclists, and is
completely mistaken in fact. I expect more from a supposedly reputable
newspaper, one I shall not be buying in future, unless Mr Parris makes a
fulsome apology, or you sack him."

I saw your comment on the site yesterday, mine still hasn't appeared yet.

I will forward my reply which I sent to the "online Editor" to
[email hidden] who, thanks to fred2, is the actual editor.

--

Nigel