Time v. Look pedals

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My Time pedals have finally bit the dust (my cleat is bad and the pedals

are

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old). Anyone have an input on Time v. Look? I like the floating concept

of

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Time. Does Look automatically recenter?

LOOK pedals have a very mild tendency to re-center but overall I'd give them very high marks as a
"floating" pedal system. They also have a very secure feeling, similar to the LOOKs. I've ridden
both extensively, but now use Speedplay X pedals, and have been very happy... they still have that
mechanically-secure feeling (like you're directly connected to the pedal with no mechanical slop)
and an extreme amount of float.

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My Time pedals have finally bit the dust (my cleat is bad and the pedals

are

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old). Anyone have an input on Time v. Look? I like the floating

concept

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of

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Time. Does Look automatically recenter?

LOOK pedals have a very mild tendency to re-center but overall I'd give

them

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very high marks as a "floating" pedal system. They also have a very

secure

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feeling, similar to the LOOKs. I've ridden both extensively, but now use Speedplay X pedals, and
have been very happy... they still have that mechanically-secure feeling (like you're directly
connected to the pedal with no mechanical slop) and an extreme amount of float.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles chainreactionbicycles.comchainreactionbicycles.comOpen ↗

How do you like the size of the speedplay pedals? I tend to like a larger platform.

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How do you like the size of the speedplay pedals? I tend to like a larger platform.

I'm of the camp that doesn't believe size of platform matters, as long as the sole of the shoe is
quite rigid. Why should it make a difference as long as it's mechanically secure (which the
Speedplay accomplished by having a very large engagement area for the cleat)? It's the shoe that
supplies the rigidity to the system, not the cleat.

Back in the day, with the flimsy shoes I used to ride (Detto Pietro 74s?), anything you could
do to stiffen up the sole was a blessing. But I don't think that's relevant with the current
crop of shoes.

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Though it wasn't me you asked . . . I think pedal size is a red herring. With good, solid soles in
your cycling shoes, the surface area of the pedal is not something you can feel the extent of. "Bob"
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My Time pedals have finally bit the dust (my cleat is bad and the

pedals

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are

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old). Anyone have an input on Time v. Look? I like the floating

concept

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of

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Time. Does Look automatically recenter?

LOOK pedals have a very mild tendency to re-center but overall I'd give

them

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very high marks as a "floating" pedal system. They also have a very

secure

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feeling, similar to the LOOKs. I've ridden both extensively, but now

use

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Speedplay X pedals, and have been very happy... they still have that mechanically-secure feeling
(like you're directly connected to the pedal with no mechanical slop) and an extreme amount of
float.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles chainreactionbicycles.comchainreactionbicycles.comOpen ↗

How do you like the size of the speedplay pedals? I tend to like a larger platform.

Bob said:

How do you like the size of the speedplay pedals? I tend to like a larger platform.

Like others who have responded to this message, I also don't believe that the platform size is
necessarily important. Any "high performance" cycling shoe has a very stiff sole, so the size of the
pedal simply doesn't matter. I use EggBeaters (SPD style cleat) on my road bike with high-end John
Luck mountain bike shoes, and while I'm not very impressed with the pedals otherwise, I've never had
any problems with "hot spots".

I'm not particularly strong or mash the pedals at low cadences, but I still do 100+ km rides at
respectable pace fairly often. Obviously a small platform with soft-soled shoes is a bad
combination, but there are plenty of stiff shoes in both road and MTB varieties available.

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Bob said:

How do you like the size of the speedplay pedals? I tend to like a larger platform.

Like others who have responded to this message, I also don't believe that the platform size is
necessarily important. Any "high performance" cycling shoe has a very stiff sole, so the size of
the pedal simply doesn't matter.

Even when used with less stiff shoes, the Speedplays work well. Forget the pedal size and check out
the size of the shoe / cleat interface. That's what actually ends up being the "platform".

Barry

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Bob said:

How do you like the size of the speedplay pedals? I tend to like a

larger

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platform.

Like others who have responded to this message, I also don't believe that the platform size is
necessarily important. Any "high performance" cycling shoe has a very stiff sole, so the size of
the pedal simply doesn't matter. I use EggBeaters (SPD style cleat) on my road bike with high-end
John Luck mountain bike shoes, and while I'm not very impressed with the pedals otherwise, I've
never had any problems with "hot spots".

I'm not particularly strong or mash the pedals at low cadences, but I still do 100+ km rides at
respectable pace fairly often. Obviously a small platform with soft-soled shoes is a bad
combination, but there are plenty of stiff shoes in both road and MTB varieties available.

-as

I'm still not sure, although I agree with most people about shoe stiffness. However, when I ride my
mountain bike (Time MTB pedals), I feel a difference in my feet/ankles as compared to when I ride my
mountain bike, even when I ride my mountain over the same roads. My Time road pedals just feel more
secure, which could be solely mental (i.e., I'm imagining it).

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The landlord at our building wants to move the bikes out of the lobby and into the parking lot. My
own opinion is that bikes enhance the aesthetics of the lobby space, but I may be biased. In any
case, he has asked for some guidance about purchasing a bike enclosures. He is willing to surf the
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here. Either good links for more information, or specific references for manufacturers would be
appreciated.

Thanks in advance.
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I've gone back to Look after trying Speedplay X (on the same shoe:

Carnac).

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I noticed a big difference in stability and comfort going back to the

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pedal. Look and Time have been around for twice as long as Speedplay, and are the overwhelming
choice of pro riders. These guys can ride whatever they want, and cost is no object. Some of you
may remember early (failed) clipless designs, like the "axle" that clipped into the shoe, etc.

You're under the mistaken belief that professional cyclists have much choice in what they ride.
Aside from a very select group at the top, they must ride what their team is under contract to ride.
And even those who have contracts that allow them to use other equipment (and possibly doctor it up
to look like it's from their sponsor) often don't do so, simply due to economics. Most of the
peloton is rather poorly paid, and whatever's tossed their way gets used.

At the very top, sure, there are a few that put pickiness about product above sponsors paying them
$$$ to use something, but not too many. If they have a choice between getting $10k for using Brand X
pedal or buying their own, it's still often viewed as a business decision. The luckiest few can have
it both ways; Lance gets Shimano to design him a whole new pedal, and who knows how much money he
gets for riding them too!

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles www.ChainReaction.com

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Bob <[email hidden]> wrote:

> How do you like the size of the speedplay pedals? I tend to like a

larger

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> platform.

Like others who have responded to this message, I also don't believe that the platform size is
necessarily important. Any "high

performance"

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cycling shoe has a very stiff sole, so the size of the pedal simply doesn't matter. I use
EggBeaters (SPD style cleat) on my road bike

with

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high-end John Luck mountain bike shoes, and while I'm not very

impressed

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with the pedals otherwise, I've never had any problems with "hot

spots".

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I'm not particularly strong or mash the pedals at low cadences, but I still do 100+ km rides
at respectable pace fairly often. Obviously a small platform with soft-soled shoes is a bad
combination, but there

are

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plenty of stiff shoes in both road and MTB varieties available.

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I'm still not sure, although I agree with most people about shoe

stiffness.

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However, when I ride my mountain bike (Time MTB pedals), I feel a

difference

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in my feet/ankles as compared to when I ride my mountain bike, even when

I

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ride my mountain over the same roads. My Time road pedals just feel

more

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secure, which could be solely mental (i.e., I'm imagining it).

--
Bob ctviggen at rcn dot com

I've gone back to Look after trying Speedplay X (on the same shoe:

Carnac).

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I noticed a big difference in stability and comfort going back to the

larger

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pedal. Look and Time have been around for twice as long as Speedplay, and are the overwhelming
choice of pro riders. These guys can ride whatever they want, and cost is no object. Some of you
may remember early (failed) clipless designs, like the "axle" that clipped into the shoe, etc.

Bernie

Mike Jacoubowsky/Chain Reaction Bicycles said:

You're under the mistaken belief that professional cyclists have much choice in what they
ride. Aside from a very select group at the top, they must ride what their team is under
contract to ride.

And the Luddite UCI won't let them use the best bike for the job, either ;-)

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Just zis Guy said:

Mike Jacoubowsky/Chain Reaction Bicycles said:

You're under the mistaken belief that professional cyclists have much choice in what they
ride. Aside from a very select group at the top, they must ride what their team is under
contract to ride.

And the Luddite UCI won't let them use the best bike for the job, either ;-)

Guy

We can't have high end Euro style racers lying down on the job now! Tradition man! Bernie

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Mike Jacoubowsky/Chain Reaction Bicycles said:

You're under the mistaken belief that professional cyclists have much

choice

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in what they ride. Aside from a very select group at the top, they

must

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ride what their team is under contract to ride.

And the Luddite UCI won't let them use the best bike for the job, either ;-)

Guy

We can't have high end Euro style racers lying down on the job now!

Tradition

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man! Bernie

And now they make them wear HELMETS!!!

baltobernie (ducking and running)