Time Trial Timing Question

Jamie Thingelstad said:

Today in the prologue two were separated by 0.02 seconds

Do you mean Cancellara and Armstrong? They were separated by
2 seconds.

Art Harris

Arthur Harris said:

Jamie Thingelstad said:

Today in the prologue two were separated by 0.02 seconds

Do you mean Cancellara and Armstrong? They were separated
by 2 seconds.

2 seconds in time or 2 seconds of arc?

Jamie Thingelstad said:

What would happen if two riders got the exact same time in
an ITT stage? Has this ever happened? Today in the
prologue two were separated by 0.02 seconds and made me
wonder "what if?"

Another question: when does the clock start? I'm assuming
there is a sensor somewhere (bottom of the ramp?) that
starts the clock?

The clock starts when they tell the rider to go. It makes no
difference when they roll off the ramp. Ask Pedro Delgado in
89. His clock started and he wasn't even up on the ramp
ready to start. Once he did show up he was already several
minutes into his time trial even though he hadn't even
started to ride yet.

I think Zubeldia and Ullrich had the same time last year.

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What would happen if two riders got the exact same time
in an ITT

stage? Has

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this ever happened? Today in the prologue two were
separated by 0.02

seconds

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and made me wonder "what if?"

Another question: when does the clock start? I'm assuming
there is a

sensor

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somewhere (bottom of the ramp?) that starts the clock?

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Jamie Thingelstad said:

What would happen if two riders got the exact same time in
an ITT stage? Has this ever happened? Today in the
prologue two were separated by 0.02 seconds and made me
wonder "what if?"

Another question: when does the clock start? I'm assuming
there is a sensor somewhere (bottom of the ramp?) that
starts the clock?

The clock starts when they tell the rider to go. It makes
no difference when they roll off the ramp. Ask Pedro
Delgado in 89. His clock started and he wasn't even up on
the ramp ready to start. Once he did show up he was
already several minutes into his time trial even though he
hadn't even started to ride yet.

[censored]!

No, further down there were two riders separated by 0.02
seconds during the broadcast. Can't find it now since all
the standings are rounded to the seconds.

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Jamie Thingelstad said:

Today in the prologue two were separated by 0.02 seconds

Do you mean Cancellara and Armstrong? They were separated by 2 seconds.

Art Harris

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What would happen if two riders got the exact same time in
an ITT stage? Has this ever happened? Today in the
prologue two were separated by 0.02 seconds and made me
wonder "what if?"

they get the same time and they're tied. everyday tt's are
timed by people with stopwatches and they do okay.

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Another question: when does the clock start? I'm assuming
there is a sensor somewhere (bottom of the ramp?) that
starts the clock?

the clock doesn't start, you have to leave at your
designated start time, if you miss it the clock keeps going.

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Subject: Re: Time Trial Timing Question From: "Jamie
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No, further down there were two riders separated by 0.02
seconds during

the

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broadcast. Can't find it now since all the standings are
rounded to the seconds.

Voight and Pereiro

Hamilton and Levi were on the same second as well.

What happens is that no one cares. They get equal
"placings" and the next guy in line gets 2 down. For
instance 4, 5, 5, 7

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Jamie Thingelstad said:

What would happen if two riders got the exact same time
in an ITT stage? Has this ever happened? Today in the
prologue two were separated by 0.02 seconds and made me
wonder "what if?"

Another question: when does the clock start? I'm
assuming there is a sensor somewhere (bottom of the
ramp?) that starts the clock?

The clock starts when they tell the rider to go. It
makes no difference when they roll off the ramp. Ask
Pedro Delgado in 89. His clock started and he wasn't
even up on the ramp ready to start. Once he did show up
he was already several minutes into his time trial even
though he hadn't even started to ride yet.

[censored]!

I've got it on tape John. Perhaps you'd like to explain what
happened then?

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The clock starts when they tell the rider to go. It
makes no difference when they roll off the ramp. Ask
Pedro Delgado in 89. His clock started and he wasn't
even up on the ramp ready to start. Once he did show
up he was already several minutes into his time trial
even though he hadn't even started to ride yet.

[censored]!

I've got it on tape John. Perhaps you'd like to explain
what happened then?

John seems certain, but he is wrong. "You can look it up."

Delgado lost near two minutes because he was late for his
start-two minutes that shadowed him throughout that Tour.

-WG

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>The clock starts when they tell the rider to go. It
>makes no difference when they roll off the ramp. Ask
>Pedro Delgado in 89. His clock started and he wasn't
>even up on the ramp ready to start. Once he did show up
>he was already several minutes into his time trial even
>though he hadn't even started to ride yet.

[censored]!

I've got it on tape John. Perhaps you'd like to explain
what happened then?

John seems certain, but he is wrong. "You can look it up."

Delgado lost near two minutes because he was late for his
start-two minutes that shadowed him throughout that Tour.

-WG

Wasn't that because Pedro didn't understand French and was
just waiting and didn't know? Seems his DS would have been
all over that, but then all it takes is one screw up and
everybody's now an expert.

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Quoted message said:

What would happen if two riders got the exact same time in
an ITT stage? Has this ever happened? Today in the
prologue two were separated by 0.02 seconds and made me
wonder "what if?"

Another question: when does the clock start? I'm assuming
there is a sensor somewhere (bottom of the ramp?) that
starts the clock?

That's a good question. If this is not the case, and it
starts from the last beep of the clock, then the thin margin
between McGee and Millar last year might have come down to
reaction time, like a drag race.

-Sonarrat.

On 07/03/2004 11:03 PM, in article [email hidden],

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7/3/04 3:26 PM:

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What would happen if two riders got the exact same time
in an ITT stage? Has this ever happened? Today in the
prologue two were separated by 0.02 seconds and made me
wonder "what if?"

Another question: when does the clock start? I'm assuming
there is a sensor somewhere (bottom of the ramp?) that
starts the clock?

That's a good question. If this is not the case, and it
starts from the last beep of the clock, then the thin
margin between McGee and Millar last year might have come
down to reaction time, like a drag race.

And the several seconds it took for Millar to get his chain
back up on the ring after it dropped didn't make any
difference at all ... Right?

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He got lost in the way back from a relax miniride around
town before the TT (in fact I think he just wanted to take a
[censored] in some street corner).

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>>The clock starts when they tell the rider to go. It
>>makes no difference when they roll off the ramp. Ask
>>Pedro Delgado in 89. His clock started and he wasn't
>>even up on the ramp ready to start. Once he did show
>>up he was already several minutes into his time trial
>>even though he hadn't even started to ride yet.
>
>[censored]!

I've got it on tape John. Perhaps you'd like to explain
what happened

then?

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John seems certain, but he is wrong. "You can look
it up."

Delgado lost near two minutes because he was late for
his start-two minutes that shadowed him throughout
that Tour.

-WG

Wasn't that because Pedro didn't understand French and was
just waiting and didn't know? Seems his DS would have been
all over that, but then all it takes is one screw up and
everybody's now an expert.

Sonarrat said:

That's a good question. If this is not the case, and it
starts from the last beep of the clock, then the thin
margin between McGee and Millar last year might have come
down to reaction time, like a drag race.

Front derailleur missing.

Laurent Fignon and Sean Kelly once recorded the same time
(right down to the second) during a time trial in the tour.

Fignon was wearing the yellow jersey (and happened to be
French) and was awarded the victory by something like 1/1000
of a second.

However, the electronic timing equipment was not working
that day, and it is well known that the officials were using
hand-held stopwatches and were not able to record times to
the degree of Fignon's victory.

The answer is: Depends on the nationality of the riders
in question.

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What would happen if two riders got the exact same time in
an ITT stage? Has this ever happened? Today in the
prologue two were separated by 0.02 seconds and made me
wonder "what if?"

Another question: when does the clock start? I'm assuming
there is a sensor somewhere (bottom of the ramp?) that
starts the clock?