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  1. My son has taken it upon himself to waste his time (in
    the short term) but get an education - from myself and
    from life.

    He has decided to use his first MTB (a Christmas gift of a
    few years ago) as a bike for jumping - because he states
    that "bikes are for jumping". Lord, if he only knew what you
    can actually use a bicycle for!

    He has destroyed a wheel and his Shimano 7SIS rear
    derailler. He tells me he doesn't know how to repair the
    "busted stuff". AHAH! Time for the lesson because this
    indicates some receptivity of tutelage ;-)

    I told him he would do the repairs with my help, BUT because
    he has a job refereeing basketball he can pay for the parts.
    I will provide help and tools. He provides the labour and
    thus gets the lesson.

    The plot thickens. I will get a Park tensiometer
    (spelling??) to use when building wheels - that way he and I
    can both learn. I have the wheel building stand/dishing
    "gizmo" already.

    Rather than get a good but used "better quality" Shimano, I
    figured I'd get a 7SIS replacement AND surreptitiously get a
    better one and hide it until he learns more. The better
    quality one would just get wrecked like this one has.

    Any ideas as to what to get for his 7 gear freewheel? He has
    those stupid (IMHO) twist grips for gear selection. He and
    his friends still think they are cool.

    Advice please. Too bad that youth is wasted on the young,
    and retirement on the old ;-)

    Ken Winnipeg, Canada

  2. Have his job pay for a BMX bike and let him keep on
    jumping.?

    "Ken Pisichko" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    My son has taken it upon himself to waste his time (in
    the short term) but get an education - from myself and
    from life.

    He has decided to use his first MTB (a Christmas gift of a
    few years ago) as a bike for jumping - because he states
    that "bikes are for jumping". Lord, if he only knew what
    you can actually use a bicycle for!

    He has destroyed a wheel and his Shimano 7SIS rear
    derailler. He tells me he doesn't know how to repair the
    "busted stuff". AHAH! Time for the lesson because this
    indicates some receptivity of tutelage ;-)

    I told him he would do the repairs with my help, BUT
    because he has a job refereeing basketball he can pay for
    the parts. I will provide help and tools. He provides the
    labour and thus gets the lesson.

    The plot thickens. I will get a Park tensiometer
    (spelling??) to use when building wheels - that way he and
    I can both learn. I have the wheel building stand/dishing
    "gizmo" already.

    Rather than get a good but used "better quality"
    Shimano, I figured I'd get a 7SIS replacement AND
    surreptitiously get a better one and hide it until he
    learns more. The better quality one would just get
    wrecked like this one has.

    Any ideas as to what to get for his 7 gear freewheel? He
    has those stupid (IMHO) twist grips for gear selection. He
    and his friends still think they are cool.

    Advice please. Too bad that youth is wasted on the young,
    and retirement on the old ;-)

    Ken Winnipeg, Canada

  3. Ken Pisichko said:

    Rather than get a good but used "better quality"
    Shimano, I figured I'd get a 7SIS replacement AND
    surreptitiously get a better one and hide it until he
    learns more. The better quality one would just get
    wrecked like this one has.

    Depending on where you buy, a new 7sis might only be a
    dollar or two less than a good deraileur. That was true in
    road bike parts--A couple years ago, a Tourney (same basic
    quality as 7sis) was about the same price as
    105.

  4. Ken Pisichko said:

    My son has taken it upon himself to waste his time (in
    the short term) but get an education - from myself and
    from life.

    He has decided to use his first MTB (a Christmas gift of a
    few years ago) as a bike for jumping - because he states
    that "bikes are for jumping". Lord, if he only knew what
    you can actually use a bicycle for!

    He has destroyed a wheel and his Shimano 7SIS rear
    derailler. He tells me he doesn't know how to repair the
    "busted stuff". AHAH! Time for the lesson because this
    indicates some receptivity of tutelage ;-)

    I told him he would do the repairs with my help, BUT
    because he has a job refereeing basketball he can pay for
    the parts. I will provide help and tools. He provides the
    labour and thus gets the lesson.

    The plot thickens. I will get a Park tensiometer
    (spelling??) to use when building wheels - that way he and
    I can both learn. I have the wheel building stand/dishing
    "gizmo" already.

    Rather than get a good but used "better quality"
    Shimano, I figured I'd get a 7SIS replacement AND
    surreptitiously get a better one and hide it until he
    learns more. The better quality one would just get
    wrecked like this one has.

    Any ideas as to what to get for his 7 gear freewheel? He
    has those stupid (IMHO) twist grips for gear selection. He
    and his friends still think they are cool.

    Advice please. Too bad that youth is wasted on the young,
    and retirement on the old ;-)

    Just my opinions but did this somehow become your
    project, not his?

    If you like home bike repair, I think that's just great. If
    he really wants to learn this and do it with you , so much
    the better.

    Am I misreading your tone? Again, just my opinion, but I
    would try to feel him out first to see how interested he is,
    how much he wants to learn (versus how much he just wants
    his bike to work), how interested he is in doing things with
    you. It matters whether he's a bright and chipper eight year
    old or a jaded world-weary fourteen year old.

    Most any kid would be bored to tears watching his father do
    the whole thing while spewing on and on about unrelated
    aspects of road bikes. And too polite to say that to you.

    Again, I don't know you or your son so I could be way off.
    But I hate watching these when they go bad.

    On to bicycle repair. You can probably detension the wheel,
    judiciously press the rim back to near-right and then
    properly tension and true it . Lubricated nipples and stress
    relief are big improvements to most cheap wheels and you
    save the argument about whether a $60 rim is worth more than
    a new FogelRider or whatever it is. We discussed that very
    job here last week with good advice from Mr Brandt himself.

    You ask about a new changer. A steel Tourney is probably
    appropriate even if you wouldn't put one on your own bike.
    The next model up is $5~10 more . You'll never notice any
    difference on a department store gear system. Don't "put one
    away for later", there is no point. Just get what you need
    to repair this bicycle. His next bike will have the
    appropriate changer anyway.

    Same for GripShift. With only three parts ( inside,
    outside, spring) they are entirely appropriate here. When
    he is dissatisfied with them, you can start spending real
    money. If he's not yet a teenager you're going to need that
    money anyway.

    Final comment- you are very right to garner some of the
    expense from him. That's important - it will do more than
    anything else to make the bike last longer, again, IMHO.

    --
    Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org Open every day since 1
    April, 1971

  5. I agree wit Kurd. Teaching him to repair his bike is fine.
    But if he's just going to go misusing it again, the effort
    will be wasted.

    Get him a bike that is made to handle what he's dishing out,
    THEN teach him how to maintain and repair it. Since BMX is a
    simpler machine to begin with, he's more likely to be
    receptive to the idea.

    Especially if he's getting a "new" bike in the process.

    Chris "I was young once too" Zacho

    - -

    "May you have the wind at your back. And a really low gear
    for the hills!"

    Chris Zacho ~ "Your Friendly Neighborhood Wheelman"

    Chris'Z Corner geocities.comczcorner

  6. Ken Pisichko said:

    My son has taken it upon himself to waste his time (in
    the short term) but get an education - from myself and
    from life.

    He has decided to use his first MTB (a Christmas gift of a
    few years ago) as a bike for jumping - because he states
    that "bikes are for jumping". Lord, if he only knew what
    you can actually use a bicycle for!

    He has destroyed a wheel and his Shimano 7SIS rear
    derailler. He tells me he doesn't know how to repair the
    "busted stuff". AHAH! Time for the lesson because this
    indicates some receptivity of tutelage ;-)

    I told him he would do the repairs with my help, BUT
    because he has a job refereeing basketball he can pay for
    the parts. I will provide help and tools. He provides the
    labour and thus gets the lesson.

    The plot thickens. I will get a Park tensiometer
    (spelling??) to use when building wheels - that way he and
    I can both learn. I have the wheel building stand/dishing
    "gizmo" already.

    Rather than get a good but used "better quality"
    Shimano, I figured I'd get a 7SIS replacement AND
    surreptitiously get a better one and hide it until he
    learns more. The better quality one would just get
    wrecked like this one has.

    Any ideas as to what to get for his 7 gear freewheel? He
    has those stupid (IMHO) twist grips for gear selection. He
    and his friends still think they are cool.

    The "better" derailers are mainly lighter, and have nicer
    pulleys. As far as withstanding childish abuse, they're
    probably not actually as sturdy as the Tourney level stuff
    you're starting with, and they don't shift any better
    either...save your money.

    Better yet, this sounds like a prime candidate for
    singlespeed conversion. Derailers are worse than useless on
    bikes used for jumping, he'd be much better off with a
    single speed. Among other things, the rear wheels of
    singlespeed bikes are VASTLY stronger than wheels dished for
    multiple sprockets.

    If you're inclined in the do-it-yourself direction, I'd
    advise buying a singlespeed freewheel, re-spacing the axle
    to reduce hub assymetry, and rebuilding the wheel as a
    singlespeed.

    This assumes that the bike has horizontal dropouts, as most
    low-end bikes do.

    See: sheldonbrown.comsinglespeed for more on this.

    Sheldon "It's Even Becoming Fashionable" Brown +--------------------------------------------------
    +
    | The less you bet, the more you lose if you win | --Alan
    | Rudolph (_Trixie_) |
    +--------------------------------------------------+ Harris
    Cyclery, West Newton, Massachusetts Phone 617-244-9772 FAX
    617-244-1041 harriscyclery.comharriscyclery.com Hard-to-find parts
    shipped Worldwide captainbike.comcaptainbike.com
    sheldonbrown.comsheldonbrown.com

  7. Thank you all.

    No, I won't do the work - I will just show him how!
    Thank you for the advice regarding just replacing the
    derailler and forgetting about having a spare for a just
    in case scenario.

    Right now he has a bike and there is no other option - fix
    it or walk! I won't buy him another one. If he wants a
    single speed, then that is fine, BUT he can save up for one
    - or at least for the parts.

    So it seems that I will get a "tourney" level rear
    derailler and he can pay me for it. After all, he is
    refereeing 3 basketball games this PM and will make about
    $30 doing that. He does referee a few times a month, so...
    Time for him to learn about "freedom to do..." and the
    consequences thereof ;-)

    A single speed? Now that would be a project, but I doubt
    that he (at 15 yo) would want to do it AND pay for it. So it
    is fix what he has and live with the consequences.

    Heck, I was just at a former student's home. He is now a
    journeyman mechanic and a auto-shops teacher. His home
    garage is filled with the consequences of grown men's "jest
    for freedom" - and he makes a good additional income helping
    these men fulfill their dreams ;-)

    Now it looks like my son Matthew will be having his turn at
    learning some of life's lessons.

  8. Ken Pisichko said:

    No, I won't do the work - I will just show him how! Thank
    you for the advice regarding just replacing the derailler
    and forgetting about having a spare for a just in case
    scenario.

    Right now he has a bike and there is no other option - fix
    it or walk! I won't buy him another one. If he wants a
    single speed, then that is fine, BUT he can save up for
    one - or at least for the parts.

    So it seems that I will get a "tourney" level rear
    derailler and he can pay me for it. After all, he is
    refereeing 3 basketball games this PM and will make about
    $30 doing that. He does referee a few times a month, so...
    Time for him to learn about "freedom to do..." and the
    consequences thereof ;-)

    A single speed? Now that would be a project, but I doubt
    that he (at 15 yo) would want to do it AND pay for it. So
    it is fix what he has and live with the consequences.

    Huh? Single speed is the _cheapest_ solution! Doesn't
    require any parts at all if he keeps the multi-speed
    freewheel he has. All that's needed is to shorten the chain
    and remove a bunch of stuff.

    It would be better, though not necessary, to buy a
    singlespeed freewheel, which costs less than a cheap
    derailer as we were discussing. This would allow the wheel
    to be made stronger by reducing the dish.

    Sheldon "Misunderstood?" Brown +----------------------------------------------------
    ---------+
    | Give a man a fire, and he will stay warm for a day. | Set
    | a man on fire, he stays warm for the rest of his life. |
    +-----------------------------------------------------------
    --+ Harris Cyclery, West Newton, Massachusetts Phone 617-244-
    9772 FAX 617-244-1041 harriscyclery.comharriscyclery.com Hard-to-find
    parts shipped Worldwide captainbike.comcaptainbike.com
    sheldonbrown.comsheldonbrown.com

  9. In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:

    Any ideas as to what to get for his 7 gear freewheel? He
    has those stupid (IMHO) twist grips for gear selection. He
    and his friends still think they are cool.

    Any current shimano derailleur would work. I would buy the
    cheapest one made out of steel, more durable, and swap that
    in. I would also buy 'The Bicycle Wheel' by Jobst Brandt so
    that the money you spend on wheel parts and tools does not
    go to waste.
    ---------------
    Alex

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