time for new shifters?

steve-<< I have sachs ergo shifters and the rear shifter is sticking on the last two cogs. seems
since I went to a 12-28 cogset shifting has not been as good.

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Have them overhauled, cleaned, new shift springs, perhaps a new spring carrier, then they will
be like new-

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Have them overhauled, cleaned, new shift springs, perhaps a new spring carrier, then they will be
like new-

if I can get them done locally. otherwise will have downtime to send them off. Me no want
down time (G)

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I have sachs ergo shifters and the rear shifter is sticking on the last two cogs. seems since I
went to a 12-28 cogset shifting has not been as good. knight-knight-Open ↗
toolworks.com/web_temp_pics/bike2.jpg just to make sure I get all questions answered. OK I am
debating on should I get them rebuilt or if I can find a good deal on some shimano sti higher end
shifters changing over. I tried my friends ultegra shifters and they sure felt good and took less
effort to use.

STI shifting is indeed less of an effort compared to Campagnolo/Sachs Ergo of the same component
level. But, if you like the ergo so much, I suggest that you rebuild them if the cost isn't high.
You're probably going to be looking at junking the STI levers when they stop shifting after 20 to
30,000 miles of constant shifting. STI shifters can not be rebuilt, while the ergo can.

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but I am also thinking of bar end shifters. I don't use the drops ever as I ride in the city and
hate the hunched over feel. I can cut the bars off right below the break levers and have the bar
ends facing down. I can shift without removing my hands I think (not sure how much effort good
bar end shifters take to move) this would be cheep and easy. I am not sure how the cabling runs
form the bar ends though. any idea's?

That's what I did when my STIs finally kicked the bucket. STI shifters are so darn expensive even
for a mid level 105, so I went on eBay and found a new pair of Dura Ace 8/9 barend shifters for
$39.95. Not bad when compared to $150 to 200 for a new pair of 105. Anyhow, installation was a
breeze and the cabling run from the bar end is easily routed per instruction. The kit comes with
its own cable housing and cable pre-cut, so it should fit most road bikes. The shifting of these
Dura-Ace shifters are nice and smooth with a sure click. You can index the rear shifter with only
one finger with little effort. That was a real surprise for me. And I thought I had to have STIs to
have smooth shifting. Another bonus with this Dura-Ace 8/9 speed shifter is that, it works with
both Shimano 8 and 9 speed drive train without changing a thing! That's right.. With an 8 speed
drive train, you need to lock out the 9th click with your derailleur using the H/L screw
adjustment. With a 9 speed cog, you just readjust the derailleur to take the 9th cog. I am
currently running an 8 speed SRAM PC-48 chain on a 9 speed Deore cog controlled by this Dura-Ace
8/9. Shifting is silky smooth.

As for shifting.. It will take only a day to get used to it at least for me. I now have no problems
keeping up with a pace line and shifting becomes second nature. And no, you don't have to be on the
drops all the time. Just drop your right hand against the rear shifter (metal base so its strong)
and use either your little pinky or for me, my middle finger to shift. I sometimes gear down 2-5
gears before I stop at the stop sign. I couldn't do that with my STI shifter then, but could on my
folding bike with an ergo shifter. This is cool then as I can get to my highest gear quicker.

The only minus with bar ends is that you can't stand and shift at the same time. The best investment
I made so far. Guess I won't miss STI as I'm so used to them now.

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I have sachs ergo shifters and the rear shifter is sticking on the last two
cogs. seems since I went to a 12-28 cogset shifting has not been as good.

Why are you certain it is the shifters at all? I'd suspect the cables and housing and the free
operation of the rear derailleur first. Maybe even the adjustment of the 'b' tension screw.

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You're probably going to be looking at junking the STI levers when they stop shifting after 20 to
30,000 miles of constant shifting. STI shifters can not be rebuilt, while the ergo can.

that's a big worry for me (G)

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That's what I did when my STIs finally kicked the bucket. STI shifters are so darn expensive even
for a mid level 105, so I went on eBay and found a new pair of Dura Ace 8/9 barend shifters for
$39.95. Not bad when compared to $150 to 200 for a new pair of 105. Anyhow, installation was a
breeze and the cabling run from the bar end is easily routed per instruction. The kit comes with
its own cable housing and cable pre-cut, so it should fit most road bikes. The shifting of these
Dura-Ace shifters are nice and smooth with a sure click. You can index the rear shifter with only
one finger with little effort. That was a real surprise for me. And I thought I had to have STIs to
have smooth shifting.

I thought the spacing is different between 8/9 speeds. I can get the ulterga for
25.00 and it is 8 speed. bet there is no real difference between them.

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The only minus with bar ends is that you can't stand and shift at the same time. The best
investment I made so far. Guess I won't miss STI as I'm so used to them now.

I like not having to move my hands hen shifting. since I never use the drops having the bar ends
straight down may really be nice if they take so little effort. I can flip them without removing my
hands from the hoods. I just need to make sure I have enough straight bar going down that the
shifter will fit in. now the question is are different brakes going to make any difference? say if
I keep the sachs right now over say getting campy or higher end shimano brake levers?

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.. I sometimes gear down 2-5 gears before I stop at the stop sign. I couldn't do that with my STI
shifter then, but could on my folding bike with an ergo shifter.. >

This is probably something you have missed, have your tried shifting the chainrings (with STI)? You
can get all the gearing you want with one (actually 2) clicks. I am guessing with DA10, it would be
even less fuzz.

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Why are you certain it is the shifters at all? I'd suspect the cables and housing and the free
operation of the rear derailleur first. Maybe even the adjustment of the 'b' tension screw.

the cables are only a few months only and may have as much as 400 miles on them. the shifting is not
always bad. but the last two gears don't always even click in or they lock up. I have lubed the
cables ad much as I can. on this bike you can't pop them out of the holder and lube them.

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You're probably going to be looking at junking the STI levers when they stop shifting after 20 to
30,000 miles of constant shifting. STI shifters can not be rebuilt, while the ergo can.

that's a big worry for me (G)

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Well, what's mileage do you do each year?? If you are a rando or serious commuter and tourer, I
wouldn't suggest them at all. I usually rack up about 20k a year, so as you can see, they were
getting too expensive for me to replace. I went part Ergo and bar ends because of this. If you do
20k miles in many years, then I wouldn't worry about STIs dying. If you have Ergo, fix them..

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I thought the spacing is different between 8/9 speeds. I can get the ulterga for
25.00 and it is 8 speed. bet there is no real difference between them.

That's what I thought. Initially, I wanted to go Ultegra 8, but my LBS store couldn't get them
anymore. I still don't know why it worked, only that I am grateful that it did. I am now running a 9
speed cog with an 8 speed chain (SRAM PC-48) because, my LBS store does not want to carry a 8 speed
HG-30 11-32 cassette when a 9 speed cog HG-50 11-32 has better quality cogs and cost not much more.

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The only minus with bar ends is that you can't stand and shift at the same time. The best
investment I made so far. Guess I won't miss STI as I'm so used to them now.

I like not having to move my hands hen shifting. since I never use the drops having the bar ends
straight down may really be nice if they take so little effort. I can flip them without removing
my hands from the hoods. I just need to make sure I have enough straight bar going down that the
shifter will fit in. now the question is are different brakes going to make any difference? say
if I keep the sachs right now over say getting campy or higher end shimano brake levers?

I kept the STIs in place and use them as brake levers on my bike. They are a little heavier than
standard aero levers, but I just couldn't justify spending more money on something I see
perfectly working.

h year?? If you are a rando or

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serious commuter and tourer, I wouldn't suggest them at all. I usually rack up about 20k a year, so
as you can see, they were getting too expensive for me to replace. I went part Ergo and bar ends
because of this.

if I keep it up 5200 miles. I do 20 miles a day 5 days a week.

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That's what I thought. Initially, I wanted to go Ultegra 8, but my LBS store couldn't get them
anymore. I still don't know why it worked, only that I am grateful that it did. I am now running a
9 speed cog with an 8 speed chain (SRAM PC-48) because, my LBS store does not want to carry a 8
speed HG-30 11-32 cassette when a 9 speed cog HG-50 11-32 has better quality cogs and cost not
much more.

I can actually get the 9 speed dura ace shifters for 5.00 less then the 8 speed ultegra. figure that
one. but I may just get the 8 speed to make sure.

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I kept the STIs in place and use them as brake levers on my bike. They are a little heavier than
standard aero levers, but I just couldn't justify spending more money on something I see
perfectly working.

I debated on that. I guess it will depend on if I get a good deal on brake levers too. changing the
hoods on the sachs is a real challenge and they need changed. Plus they cost about 20.00 a set.

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I could not find a better deal then 39.99 for the shifters from nashbar. I could have gotten them a
bit cheeper on ebay but without the cables. got some new shimano 105/old stock brake levers for
25.00 shipped. so it is not n expensive project.

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