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  1. Hi all! Sadly my first contribution to this NG was to to pick a fight with MV, but I just couldn't
    help myself. Sorry.

    Anyway on to my question.

    I am a bit curios about SS:er and what it is that makes then so great (in the eyes of their owners).
    I've never met an SS rider so I have not had the possability to ask in person, so I'll ask you guys
    (and gals) here instead.

    I myself ride ride a 27 gear bike and are quite happy with it. For any speed, I have the perfect
    gear so it works well both in downhills and when climbing. I love this, and so I have a hard time
    understanding the charm of only having one single gear. Could anyone explain what I am missing out
    on? I do understand the difference of ridgid vs hardtail. I have been riding a ridgid bike for the
    past 6 years and only now got myself a hardtail (broke the frame of my old bike), but the one gear
    thing? Perhaps it can only be understood by trying.

    Another thing. What kind ow pedals are you SS:ers using? Is it clipless or flats?

    cheers hall

    ps. With the almost religious approach I've come to understand that (some) SS:ers takes to their
    biking, i'd just want to say tah I'm not asking to get a SS vs geared flame war here. Im only
    curious of the SS aproach to biking, and my personal view on the subject is: If you like it,
    ride it. ds

  2. hall wrote:

    [...]

    Troll.

  3. bomba said:

    hall wrote:

    [...]

    Troll.

    Giving him the benefit of a doubt, now are we?

    miles

  4. hall said:

    Hi all! Sadly my first contribution to this NG was to to pick a fight with MV, but I just couldn't
    help myself. Sorry.

    Anyway on to my question.

    I am a bit curios about SS:er and what it is that makes then so great (in the eyes of their
    owners). I've never met an SS rider so I have not had the possability to ask in person, so I'll
    ask you guys (and gals) here instead.

    I myself ride ride a 27 gear bike and are quite happy with it. For any speed, I have the perfect
    gear so it works well both in downhills and when climbing. I love this, and so I have a hard time
    understanding the charm of only having one single gear. Could anyone explain what I am missing out
    on? I do understand the difference of ridgid vs hardtail. I have been riding a ridgid bike for the
    past 6 years and only now got myself a hardtail (broke the frame of my old bike), but the one gear
    thing? Perhaps it can only be understood by trying.

    Another thing. What kind ow pedals are you SS:ers using? Is it clipless or flats?

    cheers hall

    ps. With the almost religious approach I've come to understand that (some) SS:ers takes to their
    biking, i'd just want to say tah I'm not asking to get a SS vs geared flame war here. Im only
    curious of the SS aproach to biking, and my personal view on the subject is: If you like it,
    ride it. ds

    As a dedicated single speeder, I can tell you that it is true- whatever gear it is on your SS, it is
    the wrong gear 90% of the time. However, that is part of the appeal. There is no gearing down for
    steep sections, or shifting up for the flats. Your ability, and nothing else, determines what and
    how fast you can ride.

    I ride Speedplay Frogs.

    miles

  5. miles todd said:
    bomba said:

    hall wrote:

    [...]

    Troll.

    Giving him the benefit of a doubt, now are we?

    miles

    The dude sounds like he's asking a legit question to me, particularly after his MV "mea culpa."
    While another SS debate may be the last thing many of us are looking for, it appears to be a
    reasonable question. If I were a SSer, I might be inclined to answer.

    Of course, as it stands now, I'm not riding squat so it's all academic to me anyway.

    Tom

  6. hall said:

    Hi all!

    hi back

    Quoted message said:

    Sadly my first contribution to this NG was to to pick a fight with MV, but I just couldn't help
    myself. Sorry.

    live and learn

    Quoted message said:


    Anyway on to my question.

    'bout fscking time

    Quoted message said:


    I am a bit curios about SS:er and what it is that makes then so great (in the eyes of their
    owners). I've never met an SS rider so I have not had the possability to ask in person, so I'll ask
    you guys (and gals) here instead.

    what makes an SS great is its simplicity, nothing more is "needed" to have a great riding experience

    Quoted message said:


    I myself ride ride a 27 gear bike and are quite happy with it.

    good for you

    Quoted message said:

    For any speed, I have the perfect gear so it works well both in downhills and when climbing. I love
    this, and so I have a hard time understanding the charm of only having one single gear.

    there is only one perfect gear

    Quoted message said:

    Could anyone explain what I am missing out on?

    you're missing out on what mountain biking should be, and has been

    Quoted message said:

    Perhaps it can only be understood by trying.

    perhaps

    Quoted message said:


    Another thing. What kind ow pedals are you SS:ers using? Is it clipless or flats?

    clipless

    Quoted message said:


    cheers hall

    ps. With the almost religious approach I've come to understand that (some) SS:ers takes to their
    biking, i'd just want to say tah I'm not asking to get a SS vs geared flame war here. Im only
    curious of the SS aproach to biking, and my personal view on the subject is: If you like it,
    ride it. ds

    no need to flame, but it does get the blood flowing

    people get all worked up because they can't understand

    some say I'm a preacher on the virtues of SS, but I'm just trying to steer the flock of sheep in the
    right direction, can i get an amen?

    peace, bill

    The mind serves properly as a window glass rather than as a reflector, that is, the mind should give
    an immediate view instead of an interpretation of the world.
    :-]

  7. hall said:

    I am a bit curios about SS:er and what it is that makes then so great (in the eyes of their
    owners). I've never met an SS rider so I have not had the possability to ask in person, so I'll
    ask you guys (and gals) here instead.

    Dan Volker will explain it all to you shortly (albeit long-windedly).

    Bill "pie plate believer" S.

  8. On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 23:40:40 GMT, miles todd <[email hidden]>
    wrote:

    [snip]

    Quoted message said:

    As a dedicated single speeder, I can tell you that it is true- whatever gear it is on your SS, it
    is the wrong gear 90% of the time.

    hence the one perfect gear

    Quoted message said:

    However, that is part of the appeal. There is no gearing down for steep sections, or shifting up
    for the flats. Your ability, and nothing else, determines what and how fast you can ride.

    true

    Quoted message said:


    I ride Speedplay Frogs.

    miles

    peace, bill

    The mind serves properly as a window glass rather than as a reflector, that is, the mind should give
    an immediate view instead of an interpretation of the world.
    :-]

  9. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Time for a proper posting; SS question.
    From: hall [email hidden]
    Date: 2/29/2004 3:40 PM Eastern Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Hi all! Sadly my first contribution to this NG was to to pick a fight with MV, but I just couldn't
    help myself. Sorry.

    Anyway on to my question.

    I am a bit curios about SS:er and what it is that makes then so great (in the eyes of their
    owners). I've never met an SS rider so I have not had the possability to ask in person, so I'll ask
    you guys (and gals) here instead.

    I myself ride ride a 27 gear bike and are quite happy with it. For any speed, I have the perfect
    gear so it works well both in downhills and when climbing. I love this, and so I have a hard time
    understanding the charm of only having one single gear. Could anyone explain what I am missing out
    on? I do understand the difference of ridgid vs hardtail. I have been riding a ridgid bike for the
    past 6 years and only now got myself a hardtail (broke the frame of my old bike), but the one gear
    thing? Perhaps it can only be understood by trying.

    Another thing. What kind ow pedals are you SS:ers using? Is it clipless or flats?

    cheers hall

    ps. With the almost religious approach I've come to understand that (some) SS:ers takes to their
    biking, i'd just want to say tah I'm not asking to get a SS vs geared flame war here. Im only
    curious of the SS aproach to biking, and my personal view on the subject is: If you like it,
    ride it. ds


    For me it is the challenge of conquering territory that others are trying to do on bikes that are
    high tech. It's not having to worry about what gear you are in, and about pushing yourself to
    conquer more all of the time. I have owned a full suspension, hard tail, rigid front and rear, and
    my single speed, and can say I am now searching for a higher end single speed and making it my one
    and only off road bike.

  10. Bill Wheeler said:
    hall said:

    Could anyone explain what I am missing out on?

    you're missing out on what mountain biking should be

    Bzzzt! That's where you're wrong (and quite tiresome), Bill. Mountain biking "should be" whatever
    someone who does it wants it to be (at least in terms of equipment used). Mash or spin; stiff or
    squishy; light or heavy -- if you have a good time and finish with a big smile and maybe a little
    blood, you did it just right. (While respecting the trails and other users, of course.)

    Bill "ride and let ride" S.

  11. hall <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    I myself ride ride a 27 gear bike and are quite happy with it. For any speed, I have the perfect
    gear so it works well both in downhills and when climbing. I love this, and so I have a hard time
    understanding the charm of only having one single gear. Could anyone explain what I am missing out
    on? I do understand the difference of ridgid vs hardtail. I have been riding a ridgid bike for the
    past 6 years and only now got myself a hardtail (broke the frame of my old bike), but the one gear
    thing? Perhaps it can only be understood by trying.

    I only started riding a SS late last year. I don't know why I did it, I just wanted to try something
    different, I guess, the opportunity arose that I was able to obtain a SS bike that fit me perfectly.
    So I went for it. My first few rides on the bike were quite disgraceful to say the least. I had to
    change my whole technique on how to climb and handle technical sections on a bike that had only 1
    gear and was fully rigid. I had to change a few things on the bike (gearing and tires) before I got
    comfortable with it. The feeling of riding the SS is much different from riding a geared one because
    the bike rider's concentration is fully placed on the ride instead of the technical aspects of the
    bike (suspension, derailluers, shifters, gears, etc.). I get the same feeling also when I ride my
    fixed gear. My mind becomes fully engulfed in the beauty of the ride and not all the useless
    components on the bike.

    Quoted message said:

    Another thing. What kind ow pedals are you SS:ers using? Is it clipless or flats?

    Time Z's.

    - CA-G

    Can-Am Girls Kick Ass!

  12. hall <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Hi all! Sadly my first contribution to this NG was to to pick a fight with MV, but I just couldn't
    help myself. Sorry.

    Anyway on to my question.

    I am a bit curios about SS:er and what it is that makes then so great (in the eyes of their
    owners). I've never met an SS rider so I have not had the possability to ask in person, so I'll
    ask you guys (and gals) here instead.

    What an amazingly reasonable approach to the question. Why break from the norm of insulting the
    singlespeeders then challenging us to defend why we ride them? ;~)

    I live within 20 minutes of 60 miles of good to great singletrack, and an hour from unlimited good
    riding. Over the last 12yrs or more, I've ridden it all several times. Not until I built up my SS
    about 4 yrs ago did I re-ride these trails with an amazing level of new excitement and anticipation.
    It *was not* the same old thing. I even want to race again, but only on the SS.

    Road trips out of town or regular trips to the high country I'll normally take the geared bike
    (or both).

    For rides over 16 mi or so, or on really long, relentless climbs, prolonged riding at eleveation, or
    very technical, bone-breaking terrain, I prefer my hardtail with 21 speeds, a Bomber and suspended
    seat post. But for everything else, the challenge of making it happen mano-a-mano on a SS is a kick
    in the pants (or the cojones sometimes).

    There is a coolness factor to show up at the summit of a long climb, and have somebody notice that
    you made it all the way in one gear. But that's not worth killing yourself for--just a minor, fun
    side benefit.

    So there you have my abbreviated take on it. I've written up quite a few SS ride reports that have
    The Passion of the Chris (sorry, that's really my other first name) portrayed in all its glory. I
    use normal spd pedals.

    paladin

    (Saw The Passion of the Christ last night. What a great movie.)

    Quoted message said:


    I myself ride ride a 27 gear bike and are quite happy with it. For any speed, I have the perfect
    gear so it works well both in downhills and when climbing. I love this, and so I have a hard time
    understanding the charm of only having one single gear. Could anyone explain what I am missing out
    on? I do understand the difference of ridgid vs hardtail. I have been riding a ridgid bike for the
    past 6 years and only now got myself a hardtail (broke the frame of my old bike), but the one gear
    thing? Perhaps it can only be understood by trying.

    Another thing. What kind ow pedals are you SS:ers using? Is it clipless or flats?

    cheers hall

    ps. With the almost religious approach I've come to understand that (some) SS:ers takes to their
    biking, i'd just want to say tah I'm not asking to get a SS vs geared flame war here. Im only
    curious of the SS aproach to biking, and my personal view on the subject is: If you like it,
    ride it. ds

  13. hall <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:


    I am a bit curios about SS:er and what it is that makes then so great (in the eyes of their
    owners). I


    [...]

    Quoted message said:

    Could anyone explain what I am missing out on?

    My thoughts on the subject:

    dirtragmag.comarticle.php

    Enlightenment awaits, Xcrackhead.

    CC

  14. S o r n i said:
    Bill Wheeler said:
    hall said:

    Could anyone explain what I am missing out on?

    you're missing out on what mountain biking should be

    Bzzzt! That's where you're wrong (and quite tiresome), Bill. Mountain biking "should be" whatever
    someone who does it wants it to be (at least in terms of equipment used). Mash or spin; stiff or
    squishy; light or heavy -- if you have a good time and finish with a big smile and maybe a little
    blood, you did it just right. (While respecting the trails and other users, of course.)

    Bill "ride and let ride" S.


    Preach man, preach it!

  15. hall said:

    Could anyone explain what I am missing out on?

    Unless you find poetry to be a suitable substitute to an explaination, its probably best
    explained here:

    sheldonbrown.comsinglespeed.html

    You probably won't find the explainations to be terribly convincing, but suffice to say there are
    several people who seem to enjoy it. AFAIK, they all have geared bikes but often choose the SS. So
    there must be some sort of allure which is not fully understood without riding one.

    Its not for everybody, though. If you don't have strong knees, you're asking for trouble. I have a
    3-year-old knee injury that reminds me of this on every ride.

    --
    -BB- To reply to me, drop the attitude (from my e-mail address, at least)

  16. hall <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...
    <snip trash>If you like it, ride it.

    Why did you ask any of your questions then?

    JD

  17. one thing i can say about singlespeeding is involve lots of beer...

    mr chris geocities.comsinglesprocket

  18. "mr chris" <[email hidden]> had this to say
    "]news:[email hidden]

    Quoted message said:

    one thing i can say about singlespeeding is involve lots of beer...

    mr chris geocities.comsinglesprocket

    Well, that's just one of the many things I was going to say about gearies.

    Dave (nevermind)

  19. Paladin said:

    hall <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Hi all! Sadly my first contribution to this NG was to to pick a fight with MV, but I just
    couldn't help myself. Sorry.

    Anyway on to my question.

    I am a bit curios about SS:er and what it is that makes then so great (in the eyes of their
    owners). I've never met an SS rider so I have not had the possability to ask in person, so I'll
    ask you guys (and gals) here instead.

    What an amazingly reasonable approach to the question. Why break from the norm of insulting the
    singlespeeders then challenging us to defend why we ride them? ;~)

    You SSers are something else. A poor guy can't even ask a simple question with out you poking
    fun at him!

    You must be suffering from some condition due to lack of oxygen to the brain, or maybe you're all on
    dope. I don't know any other reason why someone would ride a bike with no gears or shocks. It
    doesn't make sense, I can't understand it, that's just plain stoopid.

    Gman "2nd SS ride of the season yesterday, actually _made_ some climbs...it's comin' back"

  20. [email hidden] (JD) wrote:

    hall said:
    Quoted message said:

    I am a bit curios about SS:er and what it is that makes then so great (in the eyes of their
    owners). I've never met an SS rider so I have not had the possability to ask in person, so I'll
    ask you guys (and gals) here instead.

    I'm not a single-speeder, but I know lots of people who like them, and here's the insight I've
    gotten from them:

    -mechanically simple, light, and robust. Chain never has to operate on a diagonal, it's always lined
    up between chainring and cog (if the bike is set up right). Assuming that you're talking about an SS
    with horizontal dropouts or an EBB, and thus no tensioner, there's a silence that comes from no
    chain slap. Chains wear longer, not so much burden of replacing other more costly parts that wear
    out (derailleurs, cog clusters, etc). -freedom from thinking about gears. An experienced geared bike
    rider makes shifts without consciously thinking about it, but there's a certain amount of mental
    energy that has to go into it. (There's a hill coming, will I need to shift the front? Better do it
    now...) For a singlespeeder, there's no need to think about the mechanics of shifting. There's only
    the terrain. Changes the focus.

    I'm sure it's nice. I would probably have a singlespeed if I could afford to have multiple bikes
    laying around. As it is, I can afford one nice bike, and I've chosen to stick with gears for the
    time being. Not the difference between being a stupid sheep and an enlightened man. Simply a choice.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    <snip trash>If you like it, ride it.

    Why did you ask any of your questions then?

    Because he is curious? Because he seeks understanding? Because he has an open mind?

    hall, you've been around this newsgroup long enough to see that there are some attitudes here. I'm
    glad you are secure enough to know that it's still OK to ask question, even though certain prominent
    list posters will try to put you down, make you feel foolish, and get you in line with their dogma.

    Some of the folks I know around here (real life) who are strictly singlespeeders are incredibly
    talented riders. I ride with them sometimes. They wait for me on uphills usually, sometimes I can
    leave them behind a little on downhills that are pedally, where my bigger gears give advantage.
    They'll tell you what they love about their SS, but they'll also listen cheerfully when you tell
    them what you love about your bike. They don't really care what you ride. Really what difference
    should it make to them? Doesn't really matter. They are comfortable with their place in the world.
    As you say, quite wisely I think, "If you like it, ride it."

    This newsgroup is like high school in lots of ways. There are the self-defined "popular" clique, who
    often enforce some phony exclusiveness. They portray themselves as not only great riders, but
    keepers of some elusive truth(s). Oddly, one would expect a person who's (supposedly) athletically
    talented, intelligent, and well- liked to be happy and content.

    When I was in high school, I was an OK swimmer, but ball sports were the real deal, and I suck at
    ball sports. Being a decent swimmer was about as prestigious as being a decent bagger at the grocery
    store. So I was just a middle of the pack goober, not popular, not un-popular.

    Among the "popular", there were plenty of male jocks who were arrogant, exclusive, and nasty. And
    there were the attractive, popular cheerleaders who were the same. I think this is pretty typical.
    But I can think of two people: one, a guy, probably the best all-around male athelete I've ever
    known, and one of the prettiest girls I ever knew, also cheerleader. They were not exclusive. They
    were not snobbish. I remember the girl, Anne, stopping to help a retarded girl who had slipped on
    the ice. Mick, the guy, was decent and friendly.

    What was the difference? Why were these two outgoing, friendly? It was always pretty obvious to
    me. They were happy, confident, well-adjusted people. They didn't have anything to prove, no
    axe to grind.

    I'm repeatedly amazed at these outbursts from certain contributors to this group. They seem bent on
    enforcing their views, and be- littling people who don't step into line. They abuse folks who ask
    simple questions about equipment, about where to ride, about how to post messages properly.

    This is an online community, just as a high school is a real-life community. Communities can be
    about the enlightenment of all, inclusion, the creation of shared values, and just a plain decent
    place to socialize. Or they can be a bunch of clubs and cliques. Like high school. Some people have
    a good time in high school. Some people are lonely and suidcidal.

    If these a.m-b folks are so smart, and so talented athletically, and have so many other fine
    qualities, why do they have to be so nasty and bullying? Why do they continually leap onto posters
    who seem clueless and get nasty? To help? Heck no, they get some weird pleasure out of putting
    somebody down. Why not ignore the "dummy"? Because they *need* to put somebody down, apparently.

    Low self-esteem I guess. Or just people who have gotten used to being nasty. Sad, really.
    --
    Tom Purvis - arkansasvalley.nettpurvis
    "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so
    certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts."-Bertrand Russell

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